I got to talking to a few people earlier today about a subject thats popped up around here and a few cops that I know (mostly involving the retiring of the CV and the current crop of replacments). Do police need faster cars? It just seems to be the rage with us to want faster cars, which I can atest to since police are made up of generally type A personalities. I'm not saying we need to be driving 85hp vehicles either, I've driven both the CVPI and the hemi Charger PI, back to back on road courses, and except for flat out chases and evasive manuevers the charger lagged behind the CV in almost everything else that would be considered day to day uses. Give the CV the Marauder engine or Mustang GT motor and bigger brakes and it would outclass the charger. Add in a modern 6 speed auto for gas milage sake (heck even the multi cylinder disengage tech) But back to the point, it seems everyone wants 500hp beasts, which sounds great on paper but I would believe cause more accidents. I would honestly give up 50-75 hp out of the charger just to get more gas milage so deparments could budget more money for stuff officers need.

No, I don't think they do. Generally speaking the idiots who take police on car chases don't have $100,000 sports cars. Those pursuits exist, but they're rare and they generally don't go above 120 for safety reasons. Going that fast never ends well. A lot of departments where chases like that happen have pursuit specific cars anyway like Mustangs or Camaros.

You don't need a $100,000 car to outrun a boat of a car like the Crown Vic.

Not counting sports bikes, it's hard to outrun a skilled police officer on pavement. CVPI's are versatile and relatively fast cars due to their V8 Ford engine.

Most departments in my area have the capability to catch up to anything running from them, and if they don't, there's always the State Troopers and their half dozen Chargers in the area, plus the hundred or so other officers who are on at any given time in my county who would be more than willing to try to intercept if they could. Overall, like unreal said, you're not going to find a car that can go about 120 in most cases, and you're going to have a hard time finding a driver who can drive at 120 without crashing. Most chases aren't going to get much above an average of 90, which officers are very capable of keeping up with.

Michigan State Police and Sheriffs don't fu** around here... they'll put the brakes on a speedier in a heartbeat. But yes, faster police cars isn't the solution to anything... greater resources towards training and nonlethal weapons seems more valuable.

Michigan State Police and Sheriffs don't fu** around here... they'll put the brakes on a speedier in a heartbeat. But yes, faster police cars isn't the solution to anything... greater resources towards training and nonlethal weapons seems more valuable.

It doesn't hurt that the MSP are literally everywhere. They've got about 10-15 per county on I-75 alone.

Not counting sports bikes, it's hard to outrun a skilled police officer on pavement. CVPI's are versatile and relatively fast cars due to their V8 Ford engine.

Are you L.E.(you can p.m. if you want)?

CVPI's have the same engine as a Ford Mustang, but you aren't taking in to the factor how much they weigh(they are boats), which slows them down. In my academy class ages ago, we had people that could barely operate a vehicle during EVOC and still passed the driving portion(lookout Florida residents). Our instructors wouldn't even allow us to exceed 35 mph until the last day where we did chases that probably reached 60 mph tops.

2012 Dodge Caravan 0-60 mph in 7.9 seconds.

2011 Ford Crown Victoria 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.

Many cars on the road could potentially get away from a CVPI. The radios and other units usually balance it out.

No matter how fast are you, they will always get you. Even if police has shittiest cars they will get you. How? Answer is simple. You are 1, there are 151. Also, if chase ends in suspect getting away, he'll get caught later as they have his/her plate number in computer as a runner from police.

In my country police has Peugeot 307's HDI. Most of those cars can't go over 210 but they have serious acceleration, I remember when one cop stopped me, he was 500m behind me and I was driving 50 (proper speed limit), he came to me within 10 secs or less from his standing point.

*All speeds are in KM/H.

Are you L.E.(you can p.m. if you want)?

CVPI's have the same engine as a Ford Mustang, but you aren't taking in to the factor how much they weigh(they are boats), which slows them down. In my academy class ages ago, we had people that could barely operate a vehicle during EVOC and still passed the driving portion(lookout Florida residents). Our instructors wouldn't even allow us to exceed 35 mph until the last day where we did chases that probably reached 60 mph tops.

2012 Dodge Caravan 0-60 mph in 7.9 seconds.

2011 Ford Crown Victoria 0-60 mph in 8.5 seconds.

Many cars on the road could potentially get away from a CVPI. The radios and other units usually balance it out.

I never, ever, ever would have guessed you are a LEO.

The only reason I hated NFS:HP 2010 *sigh!*...

Things faster than your car:

Edited March 13, 201214 yr by cp702

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Edited March 13, 201214 yr by NicolaiB

Not counting sports bikes, it's hard to outrun a skilled police officer on pavement. CVPI's are versatile and relatively fast cars due to their V8 Ford engine.

Don't know if you've ever been in a Police edition of a CVPI, but those things aren't exactly "fast" take into account most of these vehicles are between 3-6 years old and the equipment stored in the vehicle.

Problem isn't if police need faster cars, it's the pursuit policy in general. It once took us five days to find a guy who consistently got into chases on city streets knowing the department policy on pursuits in city streets; a few months ago it took nearly 12 hours for OPP to stop an 18-wheeler on the freeway.

Echoing what others have mentioned, those who want to outrun the cops usually don't get very far.

Edited March 13, 201214 yr by Comm

Are you L.E.(you can p.m. if you want)?

Looking into the academy soon, currently physical training so I don't fail out as soon as I enter lol (moving to a new state didn't help as the entry & exit requirements have changed). The engine in the Crown Victoria and the Ford Mustang is not the same. Both cars have models that come in 4.6L, but the CVPI is 2 valve, the Mustang is 3 or 4 valve with higher horsepower and more torque on many models and also has 5.0L variants. I'll agree that the body being lighter and carrying less equipment helps, but it's a better car overall performance wise. Police cars have to perform a range of different duties, not just pursuits, which is part of the reason they are designed the way they are. Boats weigh a lot when you ram something, as an example. And your standard cruisers with some of the police packages are more durable than expensive exotic cars that are often made of fiberglass. CVPI's are also better daily drivers and can hold prisoners in the back easily due to their size. Finally, although they are a well known cop car, they still don't turn heads like a Mustang or Camaro will to John Q. Public. Only to criminals with a wrap sheet.

And in response to Comm, yes I've been in my share of CVPI's (always in the front passenger seat, mind you lol). I'd consider fast 0-60 in about 6 seconds which is about what CVPI's and Chargers can pull off. Would it be great if they could go faster? Yes, and supposedly the new Ford Interceptors will, but the need for that is fairly rare. And I agree pursuit policies can be annoying, but they are usually there to protect the public. The chases we have in LCPD:FR would almost never occur that way in real life due to the amount of danger they pose. Take the move 'The Town' as an example if you want. High speeds in narrow streets and then guns get involved. If the danger to traffic and pedestrians wouldn't be cause enough to terminate the pursuit, the gun fire would have done so after the first shot with any sane police Captain listening in.

Edited March 14, 201214 yr by unr3al

Really? I'd expect SHOOTING AT POLICE to get a LOT of police attention (probably not super-fast ground chasing, but I'd be shocked if they did not devote a lot of resources to getting you).

Not counting sports bikes, it's hard to outrun a skilled police officer on pavement. CVPI's are versatile and relatively fast cars due to their V8 Ford engine.

SUPER charged V8 engines :D, not to mention the handling of a crown vic is retarded in a chase.

@everyone else, i think the weight is also a terrible factor because the police version bodies are built differently then civillian, O.P.P have steel frames i believe, you can tell by just the door closing.

Edited March 14, 201214 yr by Slimory

I'm an LEO and I love my CVPI. They are faster than you think, especially with the Interceptor engines in them. My agency is moving to the Charger (I probably won't be getting one for a year or so), but I did drive my zone partner's the other day and they are faster than our CVPI's. As some have mentioned in this thread, the speed of our vehicles doesn't really matter that much and the level of training we receive for pursuits generally means that people aren't going to be skilled enough to run from us and get away. And as another poster mentioned above, you can't out run our radios or helicopters.

My agency's pursuit policy is pretty restrictive. We'll pursue for forcible felonies and that is pretty much it. I've been in a handful of pursuits in my couple years on the job and the fastest my CVPI has gone according to the GPS on my MDT was 126MPH, which was in a pursuit on the interstate and we didn't sustain that speed for long. However, every other pursuit has been on surface level streets and my guess is we probably averaged 50-60mph and maxed at maybe 90. Luckily my agency only allows 3 vehicles to be in the pursuit (and K9 usually takes over and bumps somebody off the pursuit), so any other units are going to be running parallel or attempting to shut down intersections and get spikes out. This is much safer than having 20 cars trying to chase somebody.

Edited March 14, 201214 yr by Bailey23

I'm an LEO and I love my CVPI. They are faster than you think, especially with the Interceptor engines in them. My agency is moving to the Charger (I probably won't be getting one for a year or so), but I did drive my zone partner's the other day and they are faster than our CVPI's. As some have mentioned in this thread, the speed of our vehicles doesn't really matter that much and the level of training we receive for pursuits generally means that people aren't going to be skilled enough to run from us and get away. And as another poster mentioned above, you can't out run our radios or helicopters.

My agency's pursuit policy is pretty restrictive. We'll pursue for forcible felonies and that is pretty much it. I've been in a handful of pursuits in my couple years on the job and the fastest my CVPI has gone according to the GPS on my MDT was 126MPH, which was in a pursuit on the interstate and we didn't sustain that speed for long. However, every other pursuit has been on surface level streets and my guess is we probably averaged 50-60mph and maxed at maybe 90. Luckily my agency only allows 3 vehicles to be in the pursuit (and K9 usually takes over and bumps somebody off the pursuit), so any other units are going to be running parallel or attempting to shut down intersections and get spikes out. This is much safer than having 20 cars trying to chase somebody.

im not an LEO as you know but i own a 05 CVPI and from 0-60 some cars beat me but god help them if we hit 60+ because it just takes off. and as you said skill through the academy and the training you get is going to help you in the chase.... one quote i heard from a cop is "you might be faster than my car but your damn sure not faster than my radio"

That's why I don't mind the current police vehicles. It's a tad annoying that it takes 6 seconds to get from 0-60 in a Charger, but once they get rolling, they do a good job of keeping pace and gripping the road, and larger cities do occasionally have "pursuit cars".

Don't run from that. ^

Or this. Cool music to fit that one too. lol

If I got to drive that around I'd have that song in my head every minute I was in the drivers seat.

Edited March 15, 201214 yr by unr3al