Four unarmed Swedish cops diffused a violent situation on a NYC Subway. They did so professionally without the use of unnecessary force. I think the NYPD should take notes. Maybe our cops aren't trained well enough...

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Edited August 2, 201510 yr by AlconH

I'm sure there are just as many bad apples in the Swedish police forces as there are in the NYPD. Just because these four officers from Sweden are particularly good does not mean that all of them are and it's the same for the NYPD: just because there are some bad officers, does not mean that they are all bad.

Did the Swedish police set a good example? Absolutely. Is it worth jumping for joy and writing home about? Not really, no.

I can guarantee that there are plenty of good NYPD cops that work like this everyday, but the media likes to shame the NYPD and wouldn't broadcast it because it's not that exciting. This is only being shown and made a big deal of because the officers are from Sweden and it's a chance to take a stab at the NYPD to cause controversy.

​The media has too much influence and power. People see something on TV or YouTube and immediately accept it as true. This can even be deadly, and hopefully one day people use a little more common sense when forming an opinion of their own; because not all sources are reliable.

Edited April 24, 201510 yr by PeetePanda

​The media has too much influence and power. People see something on TV or YouTube and immediately accept it as true. This can even be deadly, and hopefully one day people use a little more common sense when forming an opinion of their own; because not all sources are reliable.

​So you think its better if we all just don't hear about police brutality?

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Edited August 2, 201510 yr by AlconH

​So you think its better if we all just don't hear about police brutality?

​I'm not sure where you got that from but no. I'm not even sure where police brutality had anything to do with my original post lol. What I'm saying is that people need to learn to form their own opinions, rather than watch TV and immediately believe in what's being said. 

​No, but there should be an equal balance of both good and bad deeds being committed. Sure, it would make for less exciting stories, but it's a more representative view of the police officers.

​I actually work in the media industry so bear with me...

Stories of police brutality are pushed to the top of the list because they are important and captivate the interest of the audience. A story of an NYPD cop breaking up a fight without killing anyone doesn't make the morning news because its not important. Cops who kill unarmed people deserved to be held accountable by the media, where as a cop just doing his job doesn't deserve the public spotlight. There is a fundamental difference in trying to bring light to an important issue and respecting the work that cops do. Yes, its unfortunate that we don't constantly see videos of cops doing good things. But that shouldn't undermine an important discussion about police misconduct.

I'm sure there are just as many bad apples in the Swedish police forces as there are in the NYPD. Just because these four officers from Sweden are particularly good does not mean that all of them are and it's the same for the NYPD: just because there are some bad officers, does not mean that they are all bad.

​Look look look, our police force differs vastly from the NYPD, and sure, we have some bad apples but we sure as hell don't have as many as the NYPD. 

I see your point, but to be honest, in 2013 the Swedish Police shot 3-4 persons to death (Couldn't find any exact numbers, so I did some reaserch) and in the same period 8 persons got killed by the NYPD. That's twice as much as here, and we don't use tasers, and I draw the conclusion our officers are better trained for handeling these kinds of situations than the NYPD, who shoot to kill, and not shoot to injure. 

 

That's my 2 cents.

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Edited August 2, 201510 yr by AlconH

​Look look look, our police force differs vastly from the NYPD, and sure, we have some bad apples but we sure as hell don't have as many as the NYPD. 

I see your point, but to be honest, in 2013 the Swedish Police shot 3-4 persons to death (Couldn't find any exact numbers, so I did some reaserch) and in the same period 8 persons got killed by the NYPD. That's twice as much as here, and we don't use tasers, and I draw the conclusion our officers are better trained for handeling these kinds of situations than the NYPD, who shoot to kill, and not shoot to injure. 

 

That's my 2 cents.

​I wouldn't necessarily say that Swedish police are better trained than NYPD. For one thing New York City is exactly that, a city. Sweden is an entire country. Comparing a country to a city isn't a reasonable comparison in my opinion. Even comparing a country to a country isn't very reasonable, because there are so many variations and differences from one country to the next. Each country has different levels of crime at different rates. Each country has different law enforcement agencies and policies associated with these agencies. To me, it's like comparing a horse to a zebra.

Well the NYPD wouldn't have asked the guy "How do you feel" or "are you injured". If anything 4 or 5 cops would've dog-piled on him while shouting "stop resisting".

​I actually work in the media industry so bear with me...

Stories of police brutality are pushed to the top of the list because they are important and captivate the interest of the audience. A story of an NYPD cop breaking up a fight without killing anyone doesn't make the morning news because its not important. Cops who kill unarmed people deserved to be held accountable by the media, where as a cop just doing his job doesn't deserve the public spotlight. There is a fundamental difference in trying to bring light to an important issue and respecting the work that cops do. Yes, its unfortunate that we don't constantly see videos of cops doing good things. But that shouldn't undermine an important discussion about police misconduct.

​And THAT, right there, is why our media is so corrupt and many people refuse to watch them. 

 

Cops deserve to be held accountable by their superiors and and peers. NOT the media. The media does not pass judgement so they can stay out of it, and ONLY report the facts. A cop doing his job is definitely worth of getting the spotlight. 

 

You'll never hear about the cop that helped a lost 4 year old find their way back home. You'll never hear about the state trooper who pulled 2 elderly citizens from a wreck in the middle of a busy highway. You'll never hear about the deputy that arrested a sexual predator who never registered. Those are just as, if not more, important than the "Ms. Judy, a preschool teacher, helping teach dyslexic children to read." We are such an ignorant society and unappreciative nation. We take for granted what our Police forces do. Just like we do for the firefighters and EMTs.

 

And really, Police misconduct looks so much worse than it is, because that's ALL that's covered. 

 

There are 20,000 cops in Sweden. There are 1.1 million cops in the US. By simple logic, there will be more undesirables  in LE in the US than in Sweeden.

Edited April 25, 201510 yr by Pavelow
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​I wouldn't necessarily say that Swedish police are better trained than NYPD. For one thing New York City is exactly that, a city. Sweden is an entire country. Comparing a country to a city isn't a reasonable comparison in my opinion. Even comparing a country to a country isn't very reasonable, because there are so many variations and differences from one country to the next. Each country has different levels of crime at different rates. Each country has different law enforcement agencies and policies associated with these agencies. To me, it's like comparing a horse to a zebra.

​Well, my point was that our cops is better trained in handeling these kinds of situations, a brawl. 

You don't need to go apeshit and taze both, some words and using your hands can be better. It seems like U.S cops are afraid of using their hands on suspects, except when they're tackled, shot or tazed. 

Worst thing in this scenario is that he could get hit in the face, or maybe stabbed.

Yes, Sweden is a country, but for an example, we have have maybe 1-2 shootings and bombs (the bombs normally don't work and barley kills) per week, and in such a small and sparsely populated country that's a lot.

Here in sweden there is normally 2-4 killings per week, and that between 0.4-0.8 murders/day.

Compared to NYC, which has about the same amount of inhabitants, there is about 1.44 killings/day, and that's 'low' in the City of NY's eyes. 

That means that that per square mile and per person the murder rate is much lower here, but it's an all time high here, and that NYPD should use more crime preventing raids and such.

They should switch focus from "the war on crime" to "the prevention of crime and crime relapses"

I couldn't find any exact number, but it seems like most people that's arrested in NYC goes back to crime, so I am making a guess that's about 80%

Here in Sweden about 35% goes back to crime after rehabilitation. That's because we use the "prevention of crime and crime relapses" technique. 

 

That's my two cents again.

(Sorry if you don't understand shit, I just woke up.)

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Edited August 2, 201510 yr by AlconH

Rliey is right about something. For example, helping people is police job, that is why they join the force in the first place. Just as a medic is supposed to help, a teacher is to teach, and so on. When police do something great and outstanding (like that officer buying shoes for the homeless guy, or police helping people at 9/11), it's all covered too and receives positive marks. 

About Swedish and American police now. How many Swedish officers got shot for no reason or shot at all this year? Sadly, it's so different in America. When police officers are killed while having their lunch... Hell, I would retire or shoot any suspicious guy on sight. You can blame the gun laws, crazy people, and all, but being an officer in America is more dangerous than in Europe, in my opinion, and this type of stress leaves its marks. 

Rliey is right about something. For example, helping people is police job, that is why they join the force in the first place. Just as a medic is supposed to help, a teacher is to teach, and so on. When police do something great and outstanding (like that officer buying shoes for the homeless guy, or police helping people at 9/11), it's all covered too and receives positive marks. 

About Swedish and American police now. How many Swedish officers got shot for no reason or shot at all this year? Sadly, it's so different in America. When police officers are killed while having their lunch... Hell, I would retire or shoot any suspicious guy on sight. You can blame the gun laws, crazy people, and all, but being an officer in America is more dangerous than in Europe, in my opinion, and this type of stress leaves its marks. 

Which is why I feel that comparing two different law enforcement agencies from different countries isn't reasonable. American police need to do things to cope with the American population, just as Swedish police need to do things to cope with the Swedish population. Everyday crime is completely different in Sweden and the United States, so law enforcement expectations and responses are going to be different. What an American officer might fear, and Swedish police officer may not even think about. What Swedish police may  use caution with, American police may just rush in and bust everyone.  American police doing what Swedish police would do just doesn't make any sense to me. None at all, not a lick of sense. Swedish police do what they feel is necessary to keep their country safe. American police do what they feel is necessary to keep America safe. I think it should continue to remain this way. NYPD should do what they feel is necessary, not what police in Sweden feel is necessary. 

Edited April 25, 201510 yr by PeetePanda

NYPD has over 30K sworn members in a city of over 8 million, with a vastly different culture than anywhere in Sweden. Hell, the population of the greater NYC area is more than the entire country of Sweden.

I'm not sure how you can compare the two. Overt generalizations don't help either.