drdetriot, If I had any respect for you before this topic, I just lost it.

 

Keep your offensive opinions to yourself, sir.

I was not refuting what you said. My point is simply that I'm not pinpointing the date of the crusades, nor did I wiki anything to get the details of the crusades, that's not the point of my argument, nor the topic at hand.

What I said about the crusades is simply it started 1000 years ago and ended with the reformation about 500 years ago...don't know what your dissertation about Jerusalem has to do with the fact that ISIS is committing atrocities now, and your president goes back 500 years to point out a moral equivalence.

Not a problem buddy. We can simply agree to disagree or whatever.

Good day,

DrDetroit

The point I'm trying to make is both sides made mistakes that lead up to the crusades, the Christians were wrong when they invaded Jerusalem and if you think that's justified, why don't we just give back Australia to the aborigines?

The president made a decent comparison and there is nothing wrong with it.

drdetriot, If I had any respect for you before this topic, I just lost it.

 

Keep your offensive opinions to yourself, sir

 

Well I never had any for you, so take a long walk off a short pier.  Don't tell me to keep my opinions to myself either you arrogant dush.  I bet your face offends everyone who sees it, so call it a draw then. 

 

The point I'm trying to make is both sides made mistakes that lead up to the crusades, the Christians were wrong when they invaded Jerusalem and if you think that's justified, why don't we just give back Australia to the aborigines?

The president made a decent comparison and there is nothing wrong with it.

 

 

Hey, we can agree to disagree...you may be correct, but my point still stands as well.  I'll respect your opinion.

 

It's always good to flesh things out.

Edited February 7, 201511 yr by drdetroit

I am absolutely disgusted to see people on here comparing Christianity to isis they are completely two different things one Obama is a muslim and hates America you have to be so damn blind and ignorant not to see that, two Christians were fighting muslim extremists or terrorists or whatever you want to call them...islam Is a cult btw not a religion get your facts straight and stop listening to the state run media they lie and guess what? Obama lies too since when has he done anything good for this country? oh please name ONE thing he has done other then cater to terrorists ,muslims and getting in bed with muslim brother hood

I am absolutely disgusted to see people on here comparing Christianity to isis they are completely two different things one Obama is a muslim and hates America you have to be so damn blind and ignorant not to see that, two Christians were fighting muslim extremists or terrorists or whatever you want to call them...islam Is a cult btw not a religion get your facts straight and stop listening to the state run media they lie and guess what? Obama lies too since when has he done anything good for this country? oh please name ONE thing he has done other then cater to terrorists ,muslims and getting in bed with muslim brother hood

 

Finally someone with some damn sense (besides myself)!  Well said tz.

 

Good day,

 

DrDetroit

Edited February 7, 201511 yr by drdetroit

So  I guess the Christians and Jews should have just bowed down to the Muslims that stole their land, and just let them keep it right? The whole reason for the crusades was to take that land back that was theirs to begin with and was stolen by Muslims, see a pattern here? They are doing the same thing again, and I will admit that sadly during the crusades people were trying to push their religion off on others as well, that doesnt make it right, but the main reason was to take the land stolen by the muslims back. I guess if you beleive the crusades were wrong for the taking back of land lost that the muslims stole then I guess you also believe the American Civil War was fought solely based on slavery.

I am absolutely disgusted to see people on here comparing Christianity to isis they are completely two different things one Obama is a muslim and hates America you have to be so damn blind and ignorant not to see that, two Christians were fighting muslim extremists or terrorists or whatever you want to call them...islam Is a cult btw not a religion get your facts straight and stop listening to the state run media they lie and guess what? Obama lies too since when has he done anything good for this country? oh please name ONE thing he has done other then cater to terrorists ,muslims and getting in bed with muslim brother hood

I heard these are quite famous with conspiracy theorists.

I heard these are quite famous with conspiracy theorists.

 

Well, just so you know, I happen to look good in tin-foil...so ha ha ha!!

And here we see the status of this thread:

 

The very volatile fuels are beginning to ignite...

What on earth are you talking about?  Is a rebuttal in your mind an attack?  Or is it that I simply said he's not following the point...attack?...please!  I think I made my points and stick by them as well...so again, what are you talking about?  My arguments are just fine and YOU nor anybody else can refute them.  So get it right next time.

 

Time to grow up and get your head out of your ass.  That's an attack.

 

Just kidding man...it's ok.

 

 

I was not refuting what you said.  My point is simply that I'm not pinpointing the date of the crusades, nor did I wiki anything to get the details of the crusades, that's not the point of my argument, nor the topic at hand.  

 

What I said about the crusades is simply it started 1000 years ago and ended with the reformation about 500 years ago...don't know what your dissertation about Jerusalem has to do with the fact that ISIS is committing atrocities now, and your president goes back 500 years to point out a moral equivalence.

 

Not a problem buddy.  We can simply agree to disagree or whatever.

 

Good day,

 

DrDetroit

 

 

Well I never had any for you, so take a long walk off a short pier.  Don't tell me to keep my opinions to myself either you arrogant dush.  I bet your face offends everyone who sees it, so call it a draw then. 

 

 

 

Hey, we can agree to disagree...you may be correct, but my point still stands as well.  I'll respect your opinion.

 

It's always good to flesh things out.

 

 

I am absolutely disgusted to see people on here comparing Christianity to isis they are completely two different things one Obama is a muslim and hates America you have to be so damn blind and ignorant not to see that, two Christians were fighting muslim extremists or terrorists or whatever you want to call them...islam Is a cult btw not a religion get your facts straight and stop listening to the state run media they lie and guess what? Obama lies too since when has he done anything good for this country? oh please name ONE thing he has done other then cater to terrorists ,muslims and getting in bed with muslim brother hood

 

 

Finally someone with some damn sense (besides myself)!  Well said tz.

 

Good day,

 

DrDetroit

 

"No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude."

 

-Karl Popper

 

Don't try to convince the people I quoted, peeps, once someone starts claiming Obama is a muslim, they are a lost cause and will never be brought back to the right track.

Edited February 7, 201511 yr by Hystery

I am absolutely disgusted to see people on here comparing Christianity to isis they are completely two different things one Obama is a muslim and hates America you have to be so damn blind and ignorant not to see that, two Christians were fighting muslim extremists or terrorists or whatever you want to call them...islam Is a cult btw not a religion get your facts straight and stop listening to the state run media they lie and guess what? Obama lies too since when has he done anything good for this country? oh please name ONE thing he has done other then cater to terrorists ,muslims and getting in bed with muslim brother hood

Just want to say that I find it interesting how people say they don't believe in government lies and propaganda , yet they use internet sources run by the government and believe in what they see on Internet media, as if it's any better than TV media. Internet media lie just as much as TV media does, and when people believe in the Internet media, it's just like believing in the TV media. People link Wikipedia and such, that means that I can link FOX News, or MSNBC. (Two horribly biased and inaccurate News broadcasters)

Also, sources don't necessarily mean that what people say is correct. Sources reinforce what people say, they don't guarantee accuracy. I can say that eating poop gives you the ability to fly, and I could ably find 10 websites that say that. Just because I have 10 sources doesn't mean it's correct. People base their opinions off of sources and assume them as true. This is the problem here in America.

So I guess the Christians and Jews should have just bowed down to the Muslims that stole their land, and just let them keep it right? The whole reason for the crusades was to take that land back that was theirs to begin with and was stolen by Muslims, see a pattern here? They are doing the same thing again, and I will admit that sadly during the crusades people were trying to push their religion off on others as well, that doesnt make it right, but the main reason was to take the land stolen by the muslims back. I guess if you beleive the crusades were wrong for the taking back of land lost that the muslims stole then I guess you also believe the American Civil War was fought solely based on slavery.

You can't be a jarhead with that type of knowledge! :P

Edited February 7, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

Hystery prove Obama isn't a Muslim. I challenge you to do that. And if he isn't a Muslim why does he turn his back on Israel one of our biggest Allies and bow to Muslim kings and rulers?????

Hystery prove Obama isn't a Muslim. I challenge you to do that. And if he isn't a Muslim why does he turn his back on Israel one of our biggest Allies and bow to Muslim kings and rulers?????

Where is your proof that Obama is a mulism, and how did he turn his back on Israel.

So by him not helping Israel and disrespecting the President of Israel, that's not turning his back to them? How about using the influence of the President in the World Court to drop the ridiculous charges that Palestine is trying to bring up against them. But I guess its ok if Palestine bombs the shit out of Israel. Apparently Israel cant defend itself against an enemy that is trying to steal its land yet again. I cant say for sure that Obama is or isn't a Muslim but it sure as hell fits with how he talks and supports them over everyone else. We have NEVER had a president that bowed down to Muslim leaders or just let terrorism run rampant without any course of action. Do you really think that a few air strikes here and there is going to eliminate the threat of isis? I am a veteran and know how effective it is but not when the enemy goes into caves. He doesn't want to stop them, he wants them here in the US and our country under Sharia Law. Why else would he NOT seal the borders??????

 

So by him not helping Israel and disrespecting the President of Israel, that's not turning his back to them? How about using the influence of the President in the World Court to drop the ridiculous charges that Palestine is trying to bring up against them. But I guess its ok if Palestine bombs the shit out of Israel. Apparently Israel cant defend itself against an enemy that is trying to steal its land yet again. I cant say for sure that Obama is or isn't a Muslim but it sure as hell fits with how he talks and supports them over everyone else. We have NEVER had a president that bowed down to Muslim leaders or just let terrorism run rampant without any course of action. Do you really think that a few air strikes here and there is going to eliminate the threat of isis? I am a veteran and know how effective it is but not when the enemy goes into caves. He doesn't want to stop them, he wants them here in the US and our country under Sharia Law. Why else would he NOT seal the borders??????

First off, the Israeli Palestine conflict has been going on before the United States even invaded the Middle East, why should the U.S. help them out, we have already given them billions of dollars plus the country is well capable of supporting itself, if anything Great Britain is to blame for all this conflict, years and years Of torn apart culture and turmoil.

Why is it that we're so worried about this conflict between them? Shouldn't we be using that money to help repair cities like Detroit and other poor cities? Also until you can show me one documented case or physical evidence that Obama is a mulism or that he bowed down to them, that statement is simply false.

Because Israel is our Ally, and Palestinians are terrorists, this is why we should stand with Israel.   Not to mention Israel is the only democracy, and the only free society in that entire area.

 

And when did we invade the middle east?  I must have missed that one...and don't tell me Iraq.  There was a large coalition of Muslim partners with those wars, and we let them lead the spearhead into Baghdad.

 

I just don't understand why liberals defend terrorist at every opportunity.  You't think the libs would be upset with all the gays, children and women losing their heads by these crazed psychopaths....but not a peep about that.

Edited February 7, 201511 yr by drdetroit

Because Israel is our Ally, and Palestinians are terrorists, this is why we should stand with Israel. Not to mention Israel is the only democracy, and the only free society in that entire area.

And when did we invade the middle east? I must have missed that one...and don't tell me Iraq. There was a large coalition of Muslim partners with those wars, and we let them lead the spearhead into Baghdad.

I just don't understand why liberals defend terrorist at every opportunity. You't think the libs would be upset with all the gays, children and women losing their heads by these crazed psychopaths....but not a peep about that.

Okay to say that Palestinians are terriosts is ignorant Because not all of them are, the situation is a lot more complicated than that, Israel is not always the victim, so at least accept that.

And who said I was a liberal, what does that have to do with anything?

I didn't say you were a liberal, I've no idea, sorry if it sounded that way...I meant libs in a general term.

 

Palestinians are terrorist, and Hezbollah is funded by Iran, another terrorist state.  Whom, by the way, the Shah made a public declaration to obliterate Israel, UK, USA off the planet...hence why they should never be allowed to have nukes or ICBMs.  Make no mistake, they'd give the nukes to the Palestinians, N. Korea, ISIS, ect.  

 

It's mess over there and that whole area is run by homicidal lunatics bent on murdering unarmed, non-combatant men, women and children.  This is why we must stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel.

Hystery prove Obama isn't a Muslim. I challenge you to do that. And if he isn't a Muslim why does he turn his back on Israel one of our biggest Allies and bow to Muslim kings and rulers?????

 

 

So by him not helping Israel and disrespecting the President of Israel, that's not turning his back to them? How about using the influence of the President in the World Court to drop the ridiculous charges that Palestine is trying to bring up against them. But I guess its ok if Palestine bombs the shit out of Israel. Apparently Israel cant defend itself against an enemy that is trying to steal its land yet again. I cant say for sure that Obama is or isn't a Muslim but it sure as hell fits with how he talks and supports them over everyone else. We have NEVER had a president that bowed down to Muslim leaders or just let terrorism run rampant without any course of action. Do you really think that a few air strikes here and there is going to eliminate the threat of isis? I am a veteran and know how effective it is but not when the enemy goes into caves. He doesn't want to stop them, he wants them here in the US and our country under Sharia Law. Why else would he NOT seal the borders??????

 

 

Because Israel is our Ally, and Palestinians are terrorists, this is why we should stand with Israel.   Not to mention Israel is the only democracy, and the only free society in that entire area.

 

And when did we invade the middle east?  I must have missed that one...and don't tell me Iraq.  There was a large coalition of Muslim partners with those wars, and we let them lead the spearhead into Baghdad.

 

I just don't understand why liberals defend terrorist at every opportunity.  You't think the libs would be upset with all the gays, children and women losing their heads by these crazed psychopaths....but not a peep about that.

 

Maybe he "turned his back" to Israel because Israel is an oppressing people? Maybe because Israel government was given a very defined land with very defined borders, but broke the treaty signed in 1947 to expand their country over Palestinian lands for no reason besides "we need space, gtfo"? How one can blame Russia for expanding in Ukraine and not blame Israel expanding in Palestine? How one can blame Russia, China or North Korea for oppressing a whole people when Israel is oppressing innocent palestinian civilians? How one can blame ISIS killing innocent people for their religion when Israel is bombing thousands of innocent people when only tenth of them attacked them? Don't Israel have the money to do surgical strikes and kill only the terrorists instead of thousands innocent palestinians? Don't they have the technology to do so? They do, yet they prefer to oppress, starve and thirsty hundreds of thousand innocent palestinian because they got their balls pinched just by a a few hundred of them. They built walls around palestinian neighborhoods, building 21st century ghettos. They block humanitarian help. They destroy their homes without even giving them a chance to rebuild them. They lack food, water, electricity. Israel is comitting a genocide, when they were themselves the victims of a genocide 70 years ago. They don't learn, and I hope they'll get the lesson right somehow at some point.

You want me to prove that Obama is not a muslim? Did you see him praying in a mosque? Did you see him with a toga? A gigantic beard? Did you see him not eating pig? Did you see him speaking arabic? Did you hear him talking about Allah? Making a reference to Allah in any of his speeches? Do you just know what muslim religion is exactly and how it works? I'm pretty sure you don't, because by the look of your comments, you are ignorants, and you fear what you ignore or cannot understand, or refuse to understand. There is absolutely no need to be a muslim to turn your back at Israel. I spite on Israel with my whole being for what they do to a whole innocent people just for the bad behavior of a few. Would you like me to bomb the US just because I got, let's say, mugged by two american people? It would be the same, simple analogy, I bomb a whole population just for the crimes of a few. That's what Israel is doing, and it's perfectly understandable that some people would refuse to deal with Israel because of this.

Edited February 7, 201511 yr by Hystery

Because Israel is our Ally, and Palestinians are terrorists, this is why we should stand with Israel.   Not to mention Israel is the only democracy, and the only free society in that entire area.

 

And when did we invade the middle east?  I must have missed that one...and don't tell me Iraq.  There was a large coalition of Muslim partners with those wars, and we let them lead the spearhead into Baghdad.

 

I just don't understand why liberals defend terrorist at every opportunity.  You't think the libs would be upset with all the gays, children and women losing their heads by these crazed psychopaths....but not a peep about that.

I don't like liberals because they disregard the truth and common sense for their own ideals. Further, while pretending to be open-minded, they only listen to and accept others' idea, no matter how absurd, so long as they agree with them in some way. If the ideas don't agree with theirs, they are condemned out of hand. They also think they know better than everyone else what's best for you and me and will do whatever it takes to make sure they "save" us--even lie. They're hypocrites.