wait..you said the terrorists barely missed the president? wait what? dude...the president was in a class room in florida reading a book my pet goat upside down while they were chanting plane must hit kite steel...and you want to debate 911 with me? erm are you sure about that buddy?

Sir, from what I've seen you use no type of critical thinking whatsoever, what if the president had been in the White House, you do know that if passangers on the fourth plane hadn't fought back, they've most likely flow the plane to D.C. I think me and CK are more educated on 9/11 than you're.

To be honest, I think the "War on Terror" really is just a big scam.....I know people are gonna have something to say about this but whatever.... I personally think when 9/11 happened, I can guarantee that the government knew about it and allowed it to happen (I do NOT think the government went in and put explosives or any of that crap...i think they just allowed it to happened)...sounds far fetched? Well, the US government knew about peal harbor and they "allowed" it to happened so that they could get entered into the war with the American peoples support. I think the US government allowed 9/11 to happen that way they could start all their "national security" agencies and in cases of "national security" they could break the constitutional law....they could have free roam of whatever they want....and they still do.

I think it would be selfish to stand by watching as terrorists kill people every day. I think the brave men and women that have gone over there are doing the Middle Eastern counties a great favor. It's like watching your neighbor from your window get shot and killed and you not doing anything about it.  Also, when this group of terrorists crashes jets into the twin towers, we are going to retaliate.

 

A great favor? If anything the constant involvement for decades of your country in the Middle East is what has lead to this current fucked up situation. You've created those "terrorists" with your foreign policies and senseless wars. Yet you never learn. Your country keeps sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, creating more inestability and devastation everywhere a "War on something" is "fight", paving the way for misery, hate and radicalism.

 

But keep bringing up the twin towers pretext, the more than 500.000 civilian deaths and the inestability consequence of the US Invasion of Iraq that has eased the arise of groups like ISIS must be justified then. I guess they all should be grateful to the great favor the US has been doing all this year to the Middle Eastern countries.

To be honest, I think the "War on Terror" really is just a big scam.....I know people are gonna have something to say about this but whatever.... I personally think when 9/11 happened, I can guarantee that the government knew about it and allowed it to happen (I do NOT think the government went in and put explosives or any of that crap...i think they just allowed it to happened)...sounds far fetched? Well, the US government knew about peal harbor and they "allowed" it to happened so that they could get entered into the war with the American peoples support. I think the US government allowed 9/11 to happen that way they could start all their "national security" agencies and in cases of "national security" they could break the constitutional law....they could have free roam of whatever they want....and they still do.

 

To a degree, it is almost certain that the CIA and other agencies knew about an attack. They let it happen, to exploit the public anger as an excuse for Middle-eastern intervention, at a stroke appeasing the military-industrial complex and gaining huge oil leases at a bargain. 

 

Also, while I'm on the subject... documentary footage revealed through debris examination that the support struts on some of the towers had been deliberately sabotaged (cut at an angle) to ensure the building went down. Buildings like the WTC are reinforced to withstand huge amounts of force... a single airplane crash in the mid-tower wouldn't do much to the structure's supports, it would certainly remain standing if the supports were undamaged- so either through sabotage, strategically placed explosives or other nefarious methods there was definitely some strange shit going down that day.

I refuse to believe that the United States is responsible for the deaths of 2,997 people. With that said, I still don't see a need as to why we need to be in the Middle East.

To a degree, it is almost certain that the CIA and other agencies knew about an attack. They let it happen, to exploit the public anger as an excuse for Middle-eastern intervention, at a stroke appeasing the military-industrial complex and gaining huge oil leases at a bargain. 

 

Also, while I'm on the subject... documentary footage revealed through debris examination that the support struts on some of the towers had been deliberately sabotaged (cut at an angle) to ensure the building went down. Buildings like the WTC are reinforced to withstand huge amounts of force... a single airplane crash in the mid-tower wouldn't do much to the structure's supports, it would certainly remain standing if the supports were undamaged- so either through sabotage, strategically placed explosives or other nefarious methods there was definitely some strange shit going down that day.

I'm sure terrorists were responsible...

here we go 

 

-larry silverstein used the term pull it when referring to the wtc 7 collapse

 

-bbc reported that building 7 collapsed about 23 minutes before it actually collapsed

 

-fbi confiscated 84 out of 85 security cameras that were around the pentagon so if the government has nothing to hide why did they take those cameras? which would of been useful evidence to convict the guilty oh wait there wasn't an actual investigation into the attacks in the first place 

 

-norman minetta testimony regarding the stand down order from dick cheney which he stated "of course the orders still stand have you heard anything to the contrary" dick cheney was in command of NORAD

 

- almost half of the commissioners believe that the 9/11 commission report was "set up to fail" co chairs Hamilton and kean stated "it was a 30 year conspiracy" " the white house played covered up" max Cleland resigned, john farmer

 

-bin laden was not wanted for 911 by the fbi they stated " no hard evidence connecting him to the 911 attacks" you can verify this on the fbis most wanted you will not see 911 anywhere, bin laden was a cia asset named tim Osman under his tour of the US and US military bases in search of political support and armaments

 

-hundreds of firefighters and witnesses reported explosions ignored by 9/11 commission report "explosions in the lobby and sub levels"

 

-hundreds of fire fighters and witnesses reported molten metal which again was ignored by the 9/11 commission report fire fighters stated "like you're in a foundry" NIST's john gross denies the existence of molten metal "as of 21 days after the attacks the fires were still running" leslie robertson

 

-'5 dancing Israelis arrested in mossad truck bombs on 9/11 stated "we were there to document the event"  urban moving systems front company, dominic suter " $498,750 business loan (june 2001)" officer decarlo ,art students, Israeli spying

 

-isreal and its neocon cohorts benefitted politically the attacks paved way for the clean break and PNAC agenda of "removing saddam from power" and "rolling back Syria"  Netanyahu said 9/11 "was very good" for Israel

 

-September 10th 2001 rumsfeld reported $2.3 trillion dollars missing from the pentagon

 

-over 220 million senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement, and government officials question the official story

 

-towers were built to withstand a boeing jet(s) "I designed it for a 707 to hit it" leslie robertson, wtc structural engineer "could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners", "like a pencil puncturing screen netting" frank de martini deceased manager of wtc construction and project management "as far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen" Charlie thorton, structural engineer

 

-other false flags throught history included uss liberty, golf of Tonkin, operation northwoods, okc bombing (the murrah building) 1993 wtc attacks

 

-Patrick clawson, project for the new American century needed "a new pearl harbor",  "rebuilding Americas defenses" 9/11 achieved those goals

 

-bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 9/11 commission, pearl harbor and jfk assassination commissions were started within 7 days phil zelikrow already wrote the outline before the commission began

 

-$16 million was given to investigate 9/11, over $60 million was spent investigating bill Clinton's affairs with monica

 

-bush claimed he saw the first plane hit the building on tv before entering the classroom when there was no footage of it only on the ground, he was later informed of the second plane impact while reading my pet goat (with the book upside down) he remained for 8 more minutes  while America was under "attack" 

 

-the patriot act was written before 9/11, signed into law October 26th 2001 

 

-atleast 7 of the 19 supposed hijackers are still alive (bbc) 

 

almost all of these can be verified by original video footage and news reports

here we go

-larry silverstein used the term pull it when referring to the wtc 7 collapse

-bbc reported that building 7 collapsed about 23 minutes before it actually collapsed

-fbi confiscated 84 out of 85 security cameras that were around the pentagon so if the government has nothing to hide why did they take those cameras? which would of been useful evidence to convict the guilty oh wait there wasn't an actual investigation into the attacks in the first place

-norman minetta testimony regarding the stand down order from dick cheney which he stated "of course the orders still stand have you heard anything to the contrary" dick cheney was in command of NORAD

- almost half of the commissioners believe that the 9/11 commission report was "set up to fail" co chairs Hamilton and kean stated "it was a 30 year conspiracy" " the white house played covered up" max Cleland resigned, john farmer

-bin laden was not wanted for 911 by the fbi they stated " no hard evidence connecting him to the 911 attacks" you can verify this on the fbis most wanted you will not see 911 anywhere, bin laden was a cia asset named tim Osman under his tour of the US and US military bases in search of political support and armaments

-hundreds of firefighters and witnesses reported explosions ignored by 9/11 commission report "explosions in the lobby and sub levels"

-hundreds of fire fighters and witnesses reported molten metal which again was ignored by the 9/11 commission report fire fighters stated "like you're in a foundry" NIST's john gross denies the existence of molten metal "as of 21 days after the attacks the fires were still running" leslie robertson

-'5 dancing Israelis arrested in mossad truck bombs on 9/11 stated "we were there to document the event" urban moving systems front company, dominic suter " $498,750 business loan (june 2001)" officer decarlo ,art students, Israeli spying

-isreal and its neocon cohorts benefitted politically the attacks paved way for the clean break and PNAC agenda of "removing saddam from power" and "rolling back Syria" Netanyahu said 9/11 "was very good" for Israel

-September 10th 2001 rumsfeld reported $2.3 trillion dollars missing from the pentagon

-over 220 million senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement, and government officials question the official story

-towers were built to withstand a boeing jet(s) "I designed it for a 707 to hit it" leslie robertson, wtc structural engineer "could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners", "like a pencil puncturing screen netting" frank de martini deceased manager of wtc construction and project management "as far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen" Charlie thorton, structural engineer

-other false flags throught history included uss liberty, golf of Tonkin, operation northwoods, okc bombing (the murrah building) 1993 wtc attacks

-Patrick clawson, project for the new American century needed "a new pearl harbor", "rebuilding Americas defenses" 9/11 achieved those goals

-bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 9/11 commission, pearl harbor and jfk assassination commissions were started within 7 days phil zelikrow already wrote the outline before the commission began

-$16 million was given to investigate 9/11, over $60 million was spent investigating bill Clinton's affairs with monica

-bush claimed he saw the first plane hit the building on tv before entering the classroom when there was no footage of it only on the ground, he was later informed of the second plane impact while reading my pet goat (with the book upside down) he remained for 8 more minutes while America was under "attack"

-the patriot act was written before 9/11, signed into law October 26th 2001

-atleast 7 of the 19 supposed hijackers are still alive (bbc)

almost all of these can be verified by original video footage and news reports

I want to address all the points you made, but I'll do some and CK or someone else do the rest.

1. There is no proof that says 2.3 trillion dollars went missing, even if it did, what's that got to do with anything.

2. All of the hijackers died in the plane crashes

3. 16 million dollars was invested into 9/11 because that was the money that was needed

4. The reason why 84 cameras were consficated was because that was evidence needed for the investigation

5. The patriot act was created after 9/11 because terrorism became more pensive.

To a degree, it is almost certain that the CIA and other agencies knew about an attack. They let it happen, to exploit the public anger as an excuse for Middle-eastern intervention, at a stroke appeasing the military-industrial complex and gaining huge oil leases at a bargain. 

 

Also, while I'm on the subject... documentary footage revealed through debris examination that the support struts on some of the towers had been deliberately sabotaged (cut at an angle) to ensure the building went down. Buildings like the WTC are reinforced to withstand huge amounts of force... a single airplane crash in the mid-tower wouldn't do much to the structure's supports, it would certainly remain standing if the supports were undamaged- so either through sabotage, strategically placed explosives or other nefarious methods there was definitely some strange shit going down that day.

 

Well...National Geographic (the worlds most unbiased and prestigious network out there) did a documentary as well to show that it was in fact possible for a single commercial airliner full of jet fuel to weaken the supports and cause the towers to fall. If you wish to watch it, it's on Netflix...

 

But the ONLY conspiracy out of all those that could be true is that the Federal government allowed it to happen. And i'm going with that...

here we go 

 

-larry silverstein used the term pull it when referring to the wtc 7 collapse

 

-bbc reported that building 7 collapsed about 23 minutes before it actually collapsed

 

-fbi confiscated 84 out of 85 security cameras that were around the pentagon so if the government has nothing to hide why did they take those cameras? which would of been useful evidence to convict the guilty oh wait there wasn't an actual investigation into the attacks in the first place 

 

-norman minetta testimony regarding the stand down order from dick cheney which he stated "of course the orders still stand have you heard anything to the contrary" dick cheney was in command of NORAD

 

- almost half of the commissioners believe that the 9/11 commission report was "set up to fail" co chairs Hamilton and kean stated "it was a 30 year conspiracy" " the white house played covered up" max Cleland resigned, john farmer

 

-bin laden was not wanted for 911 by the fbi they stated " no hard evidence connecting him to the 911 attacks" you can verify this on the fbis most wanted you will not see 911 anywhere, bin laden was a cia asset named tim Osman under his tour of the US and US military bases in search of political support and armaments

 

-hundreds of firefighters and witnesses reported explosions ignored by 9/11 commission report "explosions in the lobby and sub levels"

 

-hundreds of fire fighters and witnesses reported molten metal which again was ignored by the 9/11 commission report fire fighters stated "like you're in a foundry" NIST's john gross denies the existence of molten metal "as of 21 days after the attacks the fires were still running" leslie robertson

 

-'5 dancing Israelis arrested in mossad truck bombs on 9/11 stated "we were there to document the event"  urban moving systems front company, dominic suter " $498,750 business loan (june 2001)" officer decarlo ,art students, Israeli spying

 

-isreal and its neocon cohorts benefitted politically the attacks paved way for the clean break and PNAC agenda of "removing saddam from power" and "rolling back Syria"  Netanyahu said 9/11 "was very good" for Israel

 

-September 10th 2001 rumsfeld reported $2.3 trillion dollars missing from the pentagon

 

-over 220 million senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement, and government officials question the official story

 

-towers were built to withstand a boeing jet(s) "I designed it for a 707 to hit it" leslie robertson, wtc structural engineer "could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners", "like a pencil puncturing screen netting" frank de martini deceased manager of wtc construction and project management "as far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen" Charlie thorton, structural engineer

 

-other false flags throught history included uss liberty, golf of Tonkin, operation northwoods, okc bombing (the murrah building) 1993 wtc attacks

 

-Patrick clawson, project for the new American century needed "a new pearl harbor",  "rebuilding Americas defenses" 9/11 achieved those goals

 

-bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 9/11 commission, pearl harbor and jfk assassination commissions were started within 7 days phil zelikrow already wrote the outline before the commission began

 

-$16 million was given to investigate 9/11, over $60 million was spent investigating bill Clinton's affairs with monica

 

-bush claimed he saw the first plane hit the building on tv before entering the classroom when there was no footage of it only on the ground, he was later informed of the second plane impact while reading my pet goat (with the book upside down) he remained for 8 more minutes  while America was under "attack" 

 

-the patriot act was written before 9/11, signed into law October 26th 2001 

 

-atleast 7 of the 19 supposed hijackers are still alive (bbc) 

 

almost all of these can be verified by original video footage and news reports

Even with all of these observations, in which most of them are irrelevant, this doesn't prove that 9/11 was an inside job. You still have yet to provide any links, and sources, any evidence, any witnesses, nothing. ALl you do is list out random facts that haven't been proven, and claim that they're on some sort of video footage or news report. I'd like to physically see these videos and news reports. 

This is my first time to this thread/forum, and I would just like to say I believe the war on terror to be a discussion with many pros and cons. In the war on terror 5,281 American combat operators lives have been lost compared to 2,996 deaths on September 11th.(2,977 without the scum hijackers)Not to forget the unknown faces of the civilians lost in those countries. After such an event, it is not only reasonable, I find it quite necessary. Recently I had the chance to visit the National September 11th Memorial & Museum and see with my eyes artifacts and exhibits of all the history on that day. It was a terribly sad experience and could not imagine losing someone personally due to that day. And as sadistic as it sounds, innocent people will continue to die. Some call it very debatable whether or not we should remain in the middle east. I feel we must in order to preserve peace and look after those, who can't look after themselves. God bless those who where lost in these terrible last almost 14 years. And god bless those who are overseas now or awaiting deployment. There is much more that can be said but for the sake of space these are my words for now.

This is my first time to this thread/forum, and I would just like to say I believe the war on terror to be a discussion with many pros and cons. In the war on terror 5,281 American combat operators lives have been lost compared to 2,996 deaths on September 11th.(2,977 without the scum hijackers)Not to forget the unknown faces of the civilians lost in those countries. After such an event, it is not only reasonable, I find it quite necessary. Recently I had the chance to visit the National September 11th Memorial & Museum and see with my eyes artifacts and exhibits of all the history on that day. It was a terribly sad experience and could not imagine losing someone personally due to that day. And as sadistic as it sounds, innocent people will continue to die. Some call it very debatable whether or not we should remain in the middle east. I feel we must in order to preserve peace and look after those, who can't look after themselves. God bless those who where lost in these terrible last almost 14 years. And god bless those who are overseas now or awaiting deployment. There is much more that can be said but for the sake of space these are my words for now.

I disagree with this, for one was it sad that all those people lost their lives on 9/11, Absolutely. But should we still be fighting after we have killed the man responsible for the attacks, no. You seem to have the eye for an eye view, where if one person does something to another we commit the same act to them, but worser. Also your whole "we must in order to preserve peace and look after those, who can't look after themselves", sorry dude but you cannot protect a person forever, it's impossible. There will always be people who can't defend or look after themselves, but the good people who're in the Middle East can do that already and we don't need the U.S for that. This whole war on terror is bogus. And before any of you say "well what if the terrorists attack us after we leave the Middle East" I'm pretty sure we have the technology and manpower to prevent another terrorist attack, even if terrorists did attack on US soil, we can handle the situation without war.

This is my first time to this thread/forum, and I would just like to say I believe the war on terror to be a discussion with many pros and cons. In the war on terror 5,281 American combat operators lives have been lost compared to 2,996 deaths on September 11th.(2,977 without the scum hijackers)Not to forget the unknown faces of the civilians lost in those countries. After such an event, it is not only reasonable, I find it quite necessary. 

 

So do you mean that before the 9/11, it wasn't necessary to fight terrorists? Probably because they never bothered you before this date? That's what we call the Ostrich Policy. Getting your head hidden in the sand and ignoring what happens to others until you actually get struck yourself to wake up and do something.

So do you mean that before the 9/11, it wasn't necessary to fight terrorists? Probably because they never bothered you before this date? That's what we call the Ostrich Policy. Getting your head hidden in the sand and ignoring what happens to others until you actually get struck yourself to wake up and do something.

I didn't want to make it seem as if it didn't bother me, of course it did but we weren't doing anything about it. 

and then we decide to step in when they attack us when we could have been handling it already,instead of sitting by not caring about it. It definatly wasn't not necessary to fight terror, that day is just what sparked us into the situation.

A great favor? If anything the constant involvement for decades of your country in the Middle East is what has lead to this current fucked up situation. You've created those "terrorists" with your foreign policies and senseless wars. Yet you never learn. Your country keeps sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, creating more inestability and devastation everywhere a "War on something" is "fight", paving the way for misery, hate and radicalism.

 

But keep bringing up the twin towers pretext, the more than 500.000 civilian deaths and the inestability consequence of the US Invasion of Iraq that has eased the arise of groups like ISIS must be justified then. I guess they all should be grateful to the great favor the US has been doing all this year to the Middle Eastern countries.

You're right. Next time someone kills 3,000 U.S citizens, we well just shrug it off and say "Oh well".

 

You're right. Next time someone kills 3,000 U.S citizens, we well just shrug it off and say "Oh well".

I don't think that's what he meant, yes we should respond with force when someone attacks our country, but only the enemy and not the innocents.

I don't think that's what he meant, yes we should respond with force when someone attacks our country, but only the enemy and not the innocents.

That makes more sense. :)

Just some news and information on the War on terror or as i like to call it, the pointless and chaotic war. 

 

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/12/23/Endless-16-Trillion-War-Terror 

I've heard things about verses in the Qu'ran specifically telling Muslims to kill anyone who isn't Muslim, and to spread terror throughout the non-believers. Not sure if this is true though.

This is not true, as I have read the Qu'ran myself. 

Even with all of these observations, in which most of them are irrelevant, this doesn't prove that 9/11 was an inside job. You still have yet to provide any links, and sources, any evidence, any witnesses, nothing. ALl you do is list out random facts that haven't been proven, and claim that they're on some sort of video footage or news report. I'd like to physically see these videos and news reports. 

then why don't you go physically watch the videos again and all the reports on that day if you are soooo convinced...I don't need to hold your hand kiddo, theres to many holes in the fairy tale called the 911 report which they even said themselves it was destined to fail you just cant grasp reality that's your problem instead you would rather believe a lying government that has a track record of lying on a daily basis....murdered far more then 3,000 people in these "war on fear"  which they didn't do a proper investigation...why don't you go look up the individual statements for yourself and then come back and tell me that you still believe the bs "report"...this is why we are in the mess that we are in...oh no our government can do no wrong, we don't torture, we don't spy without warrants, we don't have an indefinite detention bill, we don't have fusion centers oh no...just carry on