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9/11 and ISIS

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What is happening now is very concerning.

   The terror group, ISIS, has recently captured an airfield along with 11 planes.  Take this with a grain of salt, but they supposedly have terrorists in our country as we speak.  The anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks is coming up very quickly, and I fear that ISIS may strike with the eleven planes they have captured.  In days before and after 9/11/14, I would recommend not using public transportation, go in any prominent buildings, or go on planes or ships.  Be ready for anything.

They more than likely do have sleeper cells active in the U.S., and they wouldn't be the only terrorist group or enemy state who does. That being said, I'm not overly worried about it. Just today there was an airplane who entered our airspace without identifying itself, and we had our air force scrambled to intercept the jet, and they followed it all the way to Cuba, where the Cubans then followed it all the way to Jamaica, where it eventually crashed. It turned out to be a private jet where the pilot climbed to a higher altitude than he should have and ended up killing everyone on board because of his mistake. But all of the aforementioned air forces were ready to take it out mid-air if need be. And this was an unidentified plane. If ISIS captured 11 planes, then that means we already know which 11 and where they'll be taking off from, meaning we can therefore track them easier.

I'm not saying that we aren't under a threat. We are and likely always will be. But you have to live your life. Not going outside or not using public transportation or not going to work that day isn't any way to live your life. I'm not about to halt all my plans just because a few greasy slobs in rags with beat up Russian rifles threaten to harm us. They plan on taking out the U.S. and NATO? I say good f*cking luck, because they're going to need it.

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They more than likely do have sleeper cells active in the U.S., and they wouldn't be the only terrorist group or enemy state who does. That being said, I'm not overly worried about it. Just today there was an airplane who entered our airspace without identifying itself, and we had our air force scrambled to intercept the jet, and they followed it all the way to Cuba, where the Cubans then followed it all the way to Jamaica, where it eventually crashed. It turned out to be a private jet where the pilot climbed to a higher altitude than he should have and ended up killing everyone on board because of his mistake. But all of the aforementioned air forces were ready to take it out mid-air if need be. And this was an unidentified plane. If ISIS captured 11 planes, then that means we already know which 11 and where they'll be taking off from, meaning we can therefore track them easier.

I'm not saying that we aren't under a threat. We are and likely always will be. But you have to live your life. Not going outside or not using public transportation or not going to work that day isn't any way to live your life. I'm not about to halt all my plans just because a few greasy slobs in rags with beat up Russian rifles threaten to harm us. They plan on taking out the U.S. and NATO? I say good f*cking luck, because they're going to need it.

The least of my fears is being killed by a terrorist attack. Hell, I fear about slipping in the shower more than being killed by a bunch of idiots in rags, using outdated weapons and trashy armor left behind by the US.

 

The United States won't ever be defeated by any outside power. It just won't, simply not possible. The United States can easily be called the most powerful nation on Earth.

  • The second best technology(Japan)
  • The best military with by far the most military spending
  • The most active nuclear warheads(Russia has the most warheads altogether)
  • The best economy in the world, believe it or not
  • The third largest population(China, India)
  • The Seventh wealthiest country in the world(Only one European country is more wealthy)

Even with all of these factors,the United States isn't invincible. However, it would take a LOT  to win a war against it.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

 

Just because something is quoted, doesn't mean that it's true. Don't make that assumption, that I believe that if something is quoted, it's true.

First off don't discourage people from doing or going where they want. Putting that fear into the public helps the terrorist accomplish their goal. You can tell people to be aware and report suspicious activity, but simply saying everyone stay home because terrorist are out there is just letting them win. Second the planes they captured are very old Russian jets that are in poor condition and possibly not even operational. Not to mention the jets they captured are in Syria, a looooong way from the U.S. and I'm sure that if any country in the area spots an old Russian jet flying around where it isn't supposed to be they will deal with it swiftly.

 

We outnumber and outpower the Taliban and al-Qaeda that isn't the only factor to consider when fighting insurgent forces, there are many many more things to consider. So while yes in a conventional war we would destroy the shit out of them I doubt they will line up in uniforms to fight us.

 

And your view on Islam couldn't be further from the truth. Just because the only thing about Islam on the TV or internet is about extremist doesn't mean that the majority of muslims are extremist. There are extremist in every religion and just because the news only talks about the muslim extremists doesn't mean that majority are. There are many many muslims who are not extremist, it just depends on how they interpret the Qu'ran. The same thing is true of any religion, in Christianity people interpret the Bible in many different ways and some people take very radical views.

 

Also, you can't state an opinion and then say "I'm not going to give links to back up my statement" and you can "check the facts yourself" because what you are stating is an opinion, not a fact. So if you want people to believe in your opinion you have to give them evidence, not just say look it up yourself.

 

Please back that up with evidence. Canada actually has quite a capable military and has participated in several conflicts and peacekeeping operations across the world. Just because someone has a smaller military than the US doesn't mean they are not capable.

 

"this was my own thinking of things not adding up", riiiiiight because you have access to all the information and I'm sure you are an expert in the subject matter. I'm not even going to try and debate this subject with you because 1) people who are this crazy are impossible to reason with and they are entrenched in their opinion therefore will anything I say will not be able to sway you, and 2) it is off topic, so take your stupid conspiracy theories (which have been disproved several times before) and go somewhere else.

I don't think of any of the 3 Abrahamic religions -- Judaism, Christianity or Islam -- as religions of peace. All 3 are historically somewhat unusual in worshipping only 1 God, and insisting that this God alone is the "true" one. 

In theory, Christianity should be more of a "religion of peace" than the other 2, because of what Jesus said in the Gospels about loving one's enemies, the peacemakers being children of God, those who live by the sword shall die by the sword, etc. 

But in practice, Christianity or what passes for it has been used, mostly by white Europeans, as an excuse for using military force to create great military empires. 

Islam was apparently even more warlike in the first century and a half following the death of the Prophet, when Muslim armies conquered virtually all of the old Persian / Parthian empire, took the Middle East and North Africa from Christian Byzantium, and conquered most of Spain before making an ambitious incursion into southern France. 

In the view of some historians, the immense aggression that Christian Europe engaged in during the Crusades was basically a defensive reaction to Muslim encirclement. But in any case Christians did go out on violent crusades, and some historians believe it was the Crusading impulse that continued to inspire the Spanish conquistadores as they conquered the New World, mostly through organized violence -- although accidentally introduced European diseases also played a big role in the Aztec & Incan collapse. 

Judaism in practice has been less warlike or at least less successfully warlike than Christianity or Islam, probably because Judaism is a partly tribalistic religion that doesn't focus on missionary work and the winning of converts the way the 2 other Abrahamic religions do. Nevertheless, parts of the Jewish Law can be interpreted as advocating religious genocide against the Canaanites, the Amalekites, etc. etc., and modern Israel today has one of the planet's most powerful & efficient armies. 

So to answer your question -- I don't think Islam is necessarily peaceful; I think often it's quite warlike. Ditto Christianity and Judaism. However, Islam has inspired a great civilization, and in certain times & places it probably has brought about a surprising amount of peace, in large part through military conquest. 

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The least of my fears is being killed by a terrorist attack. Hell, I fear about slipping in the shower more than being killed by a bunch of idiots in rags, using outdated weapons and trashy armor left behind by the US.

 

The United States won't ever be defeated by any outside power. It just won't, simply not possible. The United States can easily be called the most powerful nation on Earth.

  • The second best technology(Japan)
  • The best military with by far the most military spending
  • The most active nuclear warheads(Russia has the most warheads altogether)
  • The best economy in the world, believe it or not
  • The third largest population(China, India)
  • The Seventh wealthiest country in the world(Only one European country is more wealthy)

Even with all of these factors,the United States isn't invincible. However, it would take a LOT  to win a war against it.

You are correct on all of those points expect the first one. I don't believe Japan is the most advanced military. If anyone is more advanced than the U.S. I would have to say it would be Israel (and I don't even think they are more advanced than us).

 

Also not all of the stuff ISIS and other insurgent groups are using are outdated equipment. ISIS has captured a lot from the Iraqi army including some of the stuff we sold to Iraq. You can google pictures of ISIS insurgents driving around in uparmored Humvees. Same with the rebels in Syria during the civil war they are going through. The rebels in Syria have captured Syrian army equipment including T-72s which are older but by no means something to scoff at.

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You are correct on all of those points expect the first one. I don't believe Japan is the most advanced military. If anyone is more advanced than the U.S. I would have to say it would be Israel (and I don't even think they are more advanced than us).

I meant technology in general, not necessarily militaristic technology. The United States does have the best military technology on Earth. While Japan has the best technology in other areas, like medication I would guess.

I meant technology in general, not necessarily militaristic technology. The United States does have the best military technology on Earth. While Japan has the best technology in other areas, like medication I would guess.

No, I'm pretty sure the pharmaceutical industry is mostly US-based. A quick search confirms: For drugs approved by the FDA from 1998 to 2007, fully half (117.6 - the fractional is because drugs are discovered collaboratively, so there's partial credit) were discovered in the US, while Japan just discovered 23 (note: the FDA is a US agency, but since the US is about half of the world pharmaceutical market and the FDA doesn't care what country an applicant is from, that doesn't distort things that much, certainly not enough for the given effect).

Japan doesn't have some fundamental tech superpower - they have fairly advanced technology, especially in a few fields, but are substantially less developed in others (just about every country follows this model, incidentally). But they have substantially less money to throw around than the US, and in fields where a lot depends on how much money you have to throw around, it shows.

As far as basic research goes, incidentally, the US is so far ahead it's not even funny: the US has a ton of top universities doing research, and loads of grant money to do it with. The US also has a ton of investors, making it much easier to start a small company with high capital costs (the US lead in medication derives largely from universities and biotech firms).

No, I'm pretty sure the pharmaceutical industry is mostly US-based. A quick search confirms: For drugs approved by the FDA from 1998 to 2007, fully half (117.6 - the fractional is because drugs are discovered collaboratively, so there's partial credit) were discovered in the US, while Japan just discovered 23 (note: the FDA is a US agency, but since the US is about half of the world pharmaceutical market and the FDA doesn't care what country an applicant is from, that doesn't distort things that much, certainly not enough for the given effect).

Japan doesn't have some fundamental tech superpower - they have fairly advanced technology, especially in a few fields, but are substantially less developed in others (just about every country follows this model, incidentally). But they have substantially less money to throw around than the US, and in fields where a lot depends on how much money you have to throw around, it shows.

I was using medication as a quick example. I honestly have no clue about anything related to drugs or medicine, other than the fact that it stops a stomach ache lol.

ITS OFFICIAL EVERYBODY CANADA HAS NOW JOINED THE FIGHT

 

http://www.funker530.com/canada-sends-special-forces-to-assist-in-the-fight-against-isis/

Word has it that Canada will once again be sending its Navy to the Persian Gulf as well.

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Sorry, I had to. 

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Why do most Americans suffer from superiority complex? There's an exaggerating/braggart tone in topics similar to these, especially when they flaunt the statistics. There was a time when Britishers were like this too, if you catch my drift.

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While its obviously a satirical picture, just like really fat people in electric chairs with McD's is "Murican" Canada, last time I checked, several years back (2011?) Has the world's smallest Navy. They don't really need one though, the US Coast Guard is more than enough to protect all of North America, like it already does, along with the US Navy.

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While its obviously a satirical picture, just like really fat people in electric chairs with McD's is "Murican" Canada, last time I checked, several years back (2011?) Has the world's smallest Navy. They don't really need one though, the US Coast Guard is more than enough to protect all of North America, like it already does, along with the US Navy.

Actually one of the USCG's biggest problems is their lack of personnel and ships. They are over stretched, under strength, and have some of the oldest vessels of any other Coast Guard in the world. The U.S. Navy does assist in domestic maritime patrol, but since they don't have the same law enforcement status as the USCG they are limited in what they can do. Not to mention the USN has to deal with their deployments overseas.

Why do most Americans suffer from superiority complex? There's an exaggerating/braggart tone in topics similar to these, especially when they flaunt the statistics. There was a time when Britishers were like this too, if you catch my drift.

Come on, he was just posting something funny. Anyone with any sort of knowledge on the subject knows that Canada's military is respectable and if someone doesn't know that then they are either 12 years old (in which case you don't take them seriously anyway) or they are very ignorant of the world around them. I have respect for Canada but a good Canada joke doesn't hurt anyone, eh.

Word has it that Canada will once again be sending its Navy to the Persian Gulf as well.

Canadian+navy_83eeff_4715376.jpg

 

 

Sorry, I had to. 

Canada only has a frigate and one destroyer XD 

 

 

But special forces on the other hand :D

Why do most Americans suffer from superiority complex? There's an exaggerating/braggart tone in topics similar to these, especially when they flaunt the statistics. There was a time when Britishers were like this too, if you catch my drift.

Because the truth hurts? I don't know.

Because the truth hurts? I don't know.

 

Made my day. My ribs hurt now, though.

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Canada only has a frigate and one destroyer XD 

Where do you get this information? Their navy is much larger than that.

 

According to the Royal Canadian Navy's website they have a total of 33 vessels.

3 destroyers

12 frigates

4 submarines

2 supply ships

12 Maritime Coastal Defense Vessels (MCDVs)

 

They also have an additional 8 Patrol Craft Training vessels (PCTs) that are used for coastal patrols and public events/festivals.

Apparently, though they have 33 commissioned vessels, only 17 are in active service and ready for deployment (the others are in repairs/maintenance, or are being modernized). That includes just one destroyer (HMCS Athabaskan; Iroquois and Algonquin are being repaired, source), some number (possibly as many as six, not sure) of the 12 frigates are in a modernization program (the schedule was ships entering every 6 months, and then an 18 month refit and 18 months of trials, source), five of the twelve coastal defense vessels have been taken off active service for budget reasons (source), only one out of their four submarines has completed weapons testing and fired a torpedo (another ran aground and is awaiting repairs, a third has a brokendiesel engine and is in drydock repairs, a fourth is in trials now, having had a deadly fire on the transfer trip from the UK to Canada and having been laid up until the beginning of this year, source). In short, they have 31 warships commissioned, but substantially fewer actually ready for service.

Where do you get this information? Their navy is much larger than that.

 

According to the Royal Canadian Navy's website they have a total of 33 vessels.

3 destroyers

12 frigates

4 submarines

2 supply ships

12 Maritime Coastal Defense Vessels (MCDVs)

 

They also have an additional 8 Patrol Craft Training vessels (PCTs) that are used for coastal patrols and public events/festivals.

4 subs yea all in malls across Canada 

4 subs yea all in malls across Canada 

If you are just here to troll you can take it to another thread. This thread is about a serious topic. And for someone who was talking about their dreams to join the military in another thread I will let you know that we work with the Canadian military on a regular basis.

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