All cops are trained the punch the arm, it's not "beating the shit out of them". not ever police force in Australia carry tasers. and officers also have to be careful with the tasers since when on impact it could cause a heart attack, especially when the person you've deployed it on is hyped up on drugs. If they have the suspect on the ground and they are resisting arrest (tightening up their arm muscles so the officers have a struggle to being able to put the cuffs on them) then they're allowed the punch the arm a few times to numb it, which the suspect won't have the strength he thinks he has in his arm so he can't tighten his muscles, making the arrest more easier. Plus they use that method instead of OC Spray because 1) it makes the suspect more aggitated and makes him move around a lot more and 2) the spray also gets in the officers eyes, which would be the most annoying thing to do, trying to subdue a suspect while your eyes are stinging.

 

I'm not saying that what the officer did was right, or what he did was wrong. because all i have to "judge" is a police officer punching a suspect. there is no video of what happened leading up to the event. thus making my opinion/criticism completely irrelevant.

 

I actually completely agree with everything you just said, the only reason I know QPS don't use that method is because my best mate went through the academy two years ago and they were never taught that because if it is seen by a passer by it can't be viewed as A) Police Brutality and B) Assault thus making people afraid of being in the same situation and more of a danger by not complying to Officer's requests. 

And tthe "beating the shit out of them" was meant from a bystanders point of view, if you are walking down the street and see a scuffle on the ground with a "suspect" resisting and a group or even just one Officer all punching the suspect in the arm it is quite easy to see it as the Officer's "beating the shit out of them"

Side note - I thought it was compulsory for all Police Forces is Aus to carry taser now, at least with the senior officers. 

Back on topic, I really would hate to live in Cali between this, drug cartels, gangs and shoot outs almost every day.

I actually completely agree with everything you just said, the only reason I know QPS don't use that method is because my best mate went through the academy two years ago and they were never taught that because if it is seen by a passer by it can't be viewed as A) Police Brutality and B) Assault thus making people afraid of being in the same situation and more of a danger by not complying to Officer's requests. 

And tthe "beating the shit out of them" was meant from a bystanders point of view, if you are walking down the street and see a scuffle on the ground with a "suspect" resisting and a group or even just one Officer all punching the suspect in the arm it is quite easy to see it as the Officer's "beating the shit out of them"

Side note - I thought it was compulsory for all Police Forces is Aus to carry taser now, at least with the senior officers. 

Back on topic, I really would hate to live in Cali between this, drug cartels, gangs and shoot outs almost every day.

 

I know that it would look like police brutality from a bystander, but then again in these days a police officer could just tase someone and people will yell police brutality.

 

at one stage they had every police force here using tasers, but some agencies ditched them because of the risks that could happen.

 

Anybody else feel that psychiatric vetting of all new recruits should be mandatory to stop this kind of thing happening?

 

Part of the police hiring process is a psych test. You take one of those 6 hour tests of filling in the little bubbles, then meeting with a shrink roughly a week later to discuss the results. And YES people do get dropped from the hiring process for botching this requirement.

Male or female, anybody is able to kill given the right circumstances.

 

Obviously the broad was resisting given the use of force the officer was using but it did seem that bit extreme. I wasn't there though, so it's hard to say whether it was completely unjustified for I wasn't in the cop's boots.

 

"you weren't there" yet you see the officer or thug clearly beating on her while she is laying down helpless she may of not resisted theres plenty of instances where someone didn't resist and yet they still received a beating you do NOT repeatedly punch someone in the face like that you let the court decide the punishment officers are NOT judge jury and executioner what part of that do you and others not understand?

Sorry sarge, this is a case of it's own, not every other instance that ever existed. Everything's a situation. We don't know any of the background to this case, we don't know exactly what went down and why it went down like that. We only know what we saw on the video. I'm leaving the judgement on this one for the ones that are actually investigating it. Until then, I won't hop on and say that he did it it completely wrong.

"you weren't there" yet you see the officer or thug clearly beating on her while she is laying down helpless she may of not resisted theres plenty of instances where someone didn't resist and yet they still received a beating you do NOT repeatedly punch someone in the face like that you let the court decide the punishment officers are NOT judge jury and executioner what part of that do you and others not understand?

You're either not understanding the main point, or completely missing it altogether. We don't know what happened before, leading up to this event. We can't judge the officer for punching the woman, if we don't have a clue as to what led to it. You can't say that what the officer did was right or wrong, because we don't know what happened. I also doubt that an officer would do something so brutal as to beat a woman helpless in public, on the middle of the highway. We also saw during the video, a civilian run up and help the officer. Obviously this is some indication that the officer wasn't the one in the wrong.

You're either not understanding the main point, or completely missing it altogether. We don't know what happened before, leading up to this event. We can't judge the officer for punching the woman, if we don't have a clue as to what led to it. You can't say that what the officer did was right or wrong, because we don't know what happened. I also doubt that an officer would do something so brutal as to beat a woman helpless in public, on the middle of the highway. We also saw during the video, a civilian run up and help the officer. Obviously this is some indication that the officer wasn't the one in the wrong.

 

I don't think he cares too much, he's right you know (not)

 

okay i will say this again and this is common sense okay....you do NOT punch someone repeatedly in the face like that its unjustified regardless of what happened earlier she is PINNED DOWN that is assault and when you assault someone that is a crime i cant believe people are defending this pig and you wonder why people hate cops or wonder why they get shot

Ok, I'll say this and this is common sense okay... When the police issue you an order, you comply with it. Period. If you fail to comply with an order issued by a police officer, that officer is legally allowed to use force to restrain you. That is not "assault" as defined by law, and it is not a crime for an officer to use physical force to restrain a subject, including punching them in the face. It doesn't matter whether you believe an order to be issued lawfully or not, that's a decision to be made in court, not on the side of a busy highway. Far too many Americans take their "rights" so far out of context and extrapolate them to mean things they never have and never will.

 

It doesn't matter if the subject is male or female, either gender can kill you just as quickly, so you don't take any chances or unnecessary risks.

 

In the American court system, everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is a basic legal tenant that so many people seem content to forget when the person in question is a police officer, and then everyone immediately wants to scream about brutality. Without knowing all the circumstances that led up to this incident, including the circumstances of the information the officer had coming into it, the actions and behaviors the officer observed, the actions the subject committed once the officer interacted with her, and the overall totality of the circumstances, no one can possibly say who was right and who was wrong because no one knows.

 

Maybe the officer was wrong. But, maybe he was right. Maybe the subject was under the influence of a narcotic or intoxicant, maybe she threw punches and assaulted the officer before the cameras started filming, maybe it was reported that she had a weapon, maybe she assaulted a civilian who attempted to help her and then ended up calling the police, maybe she attempted to grab the officers gun.

 

She was definitely walking around on a highway and was in imminent danger of being struck by a car, so the officer could have reasonably believed that the only way to safeguard her life and his was to physically control her. Especially since she was resisting and trying to pull away from him, they could have easily both fallen into the roadway and been struck by a car because of her resistance.

 

When I watched the video, after he put his hands on her she spun around and looked like she was resisting and appeared to land several punches on the officer, even after she'd fallen to the ground. That's enough cause under the law for him to use physical force to subdue her. No one's opinion here is going to change the facts of the law and the facts of the circumstances, and to think that anyone can accurately judge what happened from a 30 second video is simply ridiculous.

 

 

Edited July 7, 201411 yr by johnclark1102

okay i will say this again and this is common sense okay....you do NOT punch someone repeatedly in the face like that its unjustified regardless of what happened earlier she is PINNED DOWN that is assault and when you assault someone that is a crime i cant believe people are defending this pig and you wonder why people hate cops or wonder why they get shot

 

That's cute. Gonna make a lot of people agree with you for sure.

Edited July 7, 201411 yr by Olanov

okay i will say this again and this is common sense okay....you do NOT punch someone repeatedly in the face like that its unjustified regardless of what happened earlier she is PINNED DOWN that is assault and when you assault someone that is a crime i cant believe people are defending this pig and you wonder why people hate cops or wonder why they get shot

It's actually humorous, the fact that you're still not understanding what we're trying to say. I'll list the main points in bullets. Maybe that'll help you comprehend them a little more.

• We don't know what led up to the officer punching the woman repeatedly, so it's not right for us to judge the officer. How do you know that the lady hadn't just stabbed someone? If someone was running amok with a knife, I'd want that officer to take them down by any means necessary, even with deadly force. 
• It's not common sense at all. How can you even begin to consider something with as dried information as this, common sense? What's common sense, is you not being able to comprehend the fact that we don't have enough information to judge the officer. Here's an example: You're sitting in your car, and a man walks up to the window, pointing a gun at you. He tells you to step out of the vehicle. Common sense tells you that you're being carjacked. You step out of the car, punch the man in the face, and grab his gun. He then falls to his knee's and you have the gun aimed at his head. Now, a Police cruiser pulls up. The only thing they see, is you aiming a gun at someones head. So to them, it appears as if you are trying to steal his car. It wouldn't be fair for the Police officers to judge you, because they didn't see the entire situation lead up to that point. 
• Police officers "assault" people everyday, because the people who they've "assaulted" wouldn't comply with their commands in the first place.
• I don't wonder why people hate the Police, I know why people hate the Police. Ignorance, and incompetence.

Edited July 7, 201411 yr by CriminalKillaz

I see a lot of people comment on facebook all the time, that cops speed through town with no lights, or siren, or switch their lights on to go through red lights but when I just HAVE to make valid points about things they don't understand or even know about when it comes to cops & that's why people think cops think they are above the law, because they know dick all about the way things are done or even understand anything about how they are to run their equipment, so yeah, long story short, they're still clueless.