Jump to content

Belgium grenade attack


Recommended Posts

A convicted drugs and weapons dealer started shooting and throwing grenades today in Lieges, Belgium, my country. So far there are 4 dead, including the shooter, and more than 100 wounded. I would like to pay my respects to the victims, especially since 2 of them are just kids. One 2 year old is still fighting for her life and one young man lost both his eyes. I would also like to congratulate the emergency services for their excellent work. That there are people willing to throw grenades at little kids is just beyond me... Another black day in the history of Belgium. Full article and all the pictures can be seen here:http://www.dailymail...ured-Liege.html

article-2073578-0F29CE7400000578-981_634

PHOTONEWS_10354236-006.jpg.h513.jpg.767.

PHOTONEWS_10354236-029.jpg.h513.jpg.767.

Edited by kjel0112

"Dura lex, sed lex"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just heard on news, pictures were pretty shocking. Alot of ambulances.... support for victims contacts/family/friends.

[center][url="http://styragressor.tumblr.com/post/33331898333"][img]http://i.imgur.com/b2aNE.gif[/img][/url][/center]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That happens when your country doesn't have a government for more than a year. Seriously, Belgium should just split up, so that the people can rest.

My respect to the families of the victims.

Due to the graphic nature of this post, reader discretion is advised.
lspdfrsig2njsuy.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That happens when your country doesn't have a government for more than a year. Seriously, Belgium should just split up, so that the people can rest.

I understand your view, but despite the lack of a real government for over a year, we did fine. And it isn't that easy to just split a country. What would happen to our police force, army, EU membership,...? And it wasn't a Belgian, it was an Arab according to the passport found in his wallet.

The real problem here is that he was released under conditions after serving 2/3 of his sentence. He started dealing arms after his release right away so why the hell wasn't he arrested again right away?

I would also like to note that, as my professor said on the news, criminals are getting bolder and bolder it seems. We had multiple shootings the last year and the use of AK-47's frequents more and more here in Belgium. Now it's even grenades. Apparently it's becoming easier to purchase firearms at the black market. A sad evolution really.

@Molten: Couldn't agree more.

Edited by kjel0112

"Dura lex, sed lex"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good thing the police officers in this country were armed.

[size=4][font=arial]Download LCPDFR: [url="http://www.lcpdfr.com/cops/forum/index.php?/files/category/1-lcpd-first-response/"]http://www.lcpdfr.co...first-response/[/url] (Remember to apply any Hotfixes)
LCPDFR Diagnostics Tool: [url="http://www.lcpdfr.com/cops/forum/index.php?/files/file/2-g17-media-iv-diagnostics-tool-043/"]http://www.lcpdfr.co...stics-tool-043/[/url][/font][/size]
[size=4][font=arial]GTA IV Update (1.0.7.0): [url="http://support.rockstargames.com/entries/484496-grand-theft-auto-iv-patch-7-title-update-v-1-0-7-0-english-1-0-6-1-russian-1-0-5-2-japanese"]http://support.rocks...-0-5-2-japanese[/url][/font][/size]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Our officers do not need, or want tasers, they already have baton, pepper spray and a service pistol (USP), adding another weapon to the kit would cause uncertainty about which weapon to use in a given situation, plus our cops are in shape, so they can actually chase people on foot.

A lot of officers sees no need for it either, it would just add to the already decent amount of equipment on the belt, not to mention the added costs that comes along with it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Last report I heard the baby in a critical condition has in fact died. And after a search of the gunmans property a cleaning lady was found shot dead. She seems to be the first of his victims.

After killing her he obviously felt he had nothing to loose. To then take the decission to go out with all his weapons on a killing spree suggests to me the motive was simply to be remembered. Fame if you like.

He saw himself as a failiure who achieved nothing in life and the only way he would be remembered by anyone would be to get on the news.

I think a lot of these types of thing have as the motive just Ego and nothing more. In his mind he was too important to simply blow his brains out and be forgoten.

Looser !

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A large amount of cannabis plants and weapons were also found in a warehouse/storage building, the same location where the 50 year old cleaning lady was found,

So far a 17 month old baby, as well as two teenagers, aged 13 &15 are dead as a result of the incident, and, a 75 year old woman in on life support, being clinically dead (what's the difference?).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Molten: The child didn't survive indeed. And I couldn't agree more with what you said. We had a similar case with Kim De Gelder a few years back who stormed into a childcare center and stabbed two babies and a woman to death. His motive was also to become notorious. What's so frustrating is that you just can't prevent these kind of things.

@NicolaiB: You're right about that. However, it still remains naive to accept firearms for our officers but to renounce tasers by saying they're too dangerous. Some Belgian police forces could definitely use a taser. I'm doing my internship next month with the federal police and I think that when doing a house search, it would be handy to have a taser since you're dealing with some dangerous people within a confined space.

Edit: seem to have double posted. If a mod could delete one of the posts?

Edited by kjel0112

"Dura lex, sed lex"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you have a suspect that's non-cooperative, you go hands- on, if the suspect continues to fight, then pepper spray should be used, if the suspect has a gun, then you respond proportionally with your own service pistol.

The US cops uses the taser pretty loosely, if the guy runs from officers, he gets tased, if the guy struggles with officers, he get tased, if he has a gun, he is shot in the face, it works there because the police can use heavy handed methods, I can't see it work. I can't even see the need for it here as we already have enough weapons to our officers disposal as it is.

I do not see the need for officers to have tasers when they carry a firearm in the first place, the UK could benefit of issuing tasers to a broader amount of officers as they're largely unarmed.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can see that having too much equipment on the belt as standard could hinder things. Not just the extra stuff to carry but also as pointed out the extra thought process of which piece of equipment do I use.

I do though think a taser allthough not carried should be available. Maybe just carried in cars. As said in confined spaces they can be pretty handy where you run the risk of hurting people not intended if you use a firearm.

And yeah, UK officers could bennefit, as the basic cop is unarmed. At the moment it's only officers who have had special training use them and they are normally the same officers who have firearms training.

But as Kjel0112 said, theres nothing you can do to stop this kind of crime.

I do know though that in UK anyone who has served more than a certain time in Jail has a lifetime ban from holding a firearms license.

That wouldn't have stoped this guy obviously as I think most of what he had was ilegal. Certainly the grenades and prob the automatic weapons as he had a conviction for firearms.

Edited by Molten
Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Molten: Exactly what I meant. Some situations are just easier to solve if you have a taser at your disposal. And I agree with the not carrying. It should just be a taser unit who could be called in like it is in the UK now. Here in Belgium, the only ones who have tasers are SWAT. Why not make taser units like in the UK?

@NicolaiB: you make it sound very simple but when your in a situation where a suspect is not cooperative, it isn't that easy to just engage them in hand to hand combat. I know since I've interviewed a lot of offcicers and security guards for my thesis. The last thing you want is getting punched in the face. Pepper spray in a confined space isn't the best idea either since there is a chance of blowback. Using a firearm inside could injure other people as Molten said. To me, such a situation would be perfect for the use of a taser. You must realise that when someone is determined to harm you, you want to subdue him as fast as possible and I wouldn't engage him in hand to hand combat first before using something like a taser or pepperspray.

However, I can only speak for Belgium so maybe things are done different in your country. :wink:

"Dura lex, sed lex"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree that Tasers should be available for police to use. In Australia, police have the only option (unless they call for specialised units) of escalating from capsicum spray to lethal force. A taser would provide a less than lethal option. However, I don't want to see it like in the US, where your pulling out your Taser at every street corner the moment you deal with a perp - only when a "firearm would be warranted but disproportionate" should a Taser be drawn. Tasers should only be drawn by a two officer patrol, one officer drawing a taser, another their firearm in case the taser fails.

Edited by Mage25

[size=4][font=arial]Download LCPDFR: [url="http://www.lcpdfr.com/cops/forum/index.php?/files/category/1-lcpd-first-response/"]http://www.lcpdfr.co...first-response/[/url] (Remember to apply any Hotfixes)
LCPDFR Diagnostics Tool: [url="http://www.lcpdfr.com/cops/forum/index.php?/files/file/2-g17-media-iv-diagnostics-tool-043/"]http://www.lcpdfr.co...stics-tool-043/[/url][/font][/size]
[size=4][font=arial]GTA IV Update (1.0.7.0): [url="http://support.rockstargames.com/entries/484496-grand-theft-auto-iv-patch-7-title-update-v-1-0-7-0-english-1-0-6-1-russian-1-0-5-2-japanese"]http://support.rocks...-0-5-2-japanese[/url][/font][/size]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

My respects go out to all of those affected, such a tragic loss of life in what's meant to be a joyful season.

As for the tazers, Police in the UK are slowly being given access to them, if you watch shows like Cops with Camera's or Road Wars (not so much on the latter) you will sometimes see an officer with a tazer.

But thing is, we do have some good tactics. We don't need every officer equiped with a gun, only armed response.

Again, look at some more shows that half the time we don't even use non-lethal tactics to take down a perp, even if they have a blunt weapon officers will either tackle him or pepper spray him

Processor: Intel i5-6600 @ 3.30GHz 

GPU: MSI ARMOR GeForce GTX 1080 OC

Ram: 16GB Skylake

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.



×
×
  • Create New...