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Gunman with a shotgun opened fire yesterday at the Seattle Pacific University. Unfortunately, one victim is dead, more are wounded. But the main part is that this lunatic was taken down by an unarmed worker with pepper spray and his bare hands. If not for that hero, there could be much more vics. 

 

I would trust that guy to carry a gun in my university, no shit. Here's a question for those who study in America: I've been to Baltimore university and University of Maryland. In lobbies there were armed university police officers. How could that happen that in all those university-shooting incidents not a single armed officers is mentioned? Are there schools which don't possess a police force?

 

 

 

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2538209/Breaking-At-least-4-shot-at-Seattle-Pacific-University

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Not all universities have campus police; it's much more common among state universities, and even some universities which do have some campus police don't arm them (if they don't think they need to arm them, and the sworn officers basically work as more powerful security guards).

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Not all universities have campus police; it's much more common among state universities, and even some universities which do have some campus police don't arm them (if they don't think they need to arm them, and the sworn officers basically work as more powerful security guards).

Even in the light of all those incidents in schools and universities? On the other hand, I guess, not everyone who joins university PD wants to risk his life as much as a government officer does...

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Even in the light of all those incidents in schools and universities? On the other hand, I guess, not everyone who joins university PD wants to risk his life as much as a government officer does...

its all liability. If the campus arms an officer, and said officers does a bad shooting the campus can be sued and lose alot of money. my local college has LA county Sheriff Security officers as the Campus PD, thus if they make a bad shoot, its LA county's wallet not the College. Others just want nothing to do or like what was stated before lack the money for a proper police force

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its all liability. If the campus arms an officer, and said officers does a bad shooting the campus can be sued and lose alot of money. my local college has LA county Sheriff Security officers as the Campus PD, thus if they make a bad shoot, its LA county's wallet not the College. Others just want nothing to do or like what was stated before lack the money for a proper police force

Oh, that's interesting. So LASD has a post at your university or simply responds to any emergencies? Do you know by chance if that's an expensive contract for your uni?

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Even in the light of all those incidents in schools and universities? On the other hand, I guess, not everyone who joins university PD wants to risk his life as much as a government officer does...

Few things:

First off, these shootings are *extremely* rare; so rare, in fact, that they are totally negligible in any sane risk assessment. The US has a *lot* of colleges, and any shooting gets plastered all over the news, but from the perspective of an individual school, it's not remotely worth the effort of getting a campus police to deal with this, particularly because there is s regular local police department who tend to be more than capable of handling it.

Second, the idea of campus police isn't to handle big shootings. It's to give the university more control over their campus environment, and sometimes to patrol the campus in places where the local police have more important things to do (higher-crime areas). For plenty of schools, this isn't that big a deal - they aren't in a particularly dangerous neighborhood, and feel that campus security is sufficient to protect the campus, and that the local police is capable of handling things like investigating thefts and other crimes on campus.

Thirdly, there is at least one school I know of which *does* have some of its security staff be sworn police officers, with powers of arrest. They are also unarmed, because it's not a dangerous area at all, and unarmed police are generally considered more approachable than people with lethal weapons attached to their body.

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Oh, that's interesting. So LASD has a post at your university or simply responds to any emergencies? Do you know by chance if that's an expensive contract for your uni?

Yes they have an office with security officers, and a couple of deputies. On campus if you get to a phone and press *8 the securities respond as well as the Deputies get a call to respond. As far as expensive, i was told it was cheaper than having their own campus PD

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It's the opposite at the community college near me. There's about 30 cops, and I've seen them training with AR-15s a few times at a local gun range.

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and in other news there was a mass shooting in Chicago but the media chooses to ignore it because it doesn't fit there agenda and they already have gun control...it amazes me that no one bothers to post real news and only media picked ones

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Not all universities have campus police; it's much more common among state universities, and even some universities which do have some campus police don't arm them (if they don't think they need to arm them, and the sworn officers basically work as more powerful security guards).

 

Most Universities and community colleges who have Police carry guns....if you don't carry a gun you are a security guard...if you do, you're a campus police officer.

 

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Few things:

First off, these shootings are *extremely* rare; so rare, in fact, that they are totally negligible in any sane risk assessment. The US has a *lot* of colleges, and any shooting gets plastered all over the news, but from the perspective of an individual school, it's not remotely worth the effort of getting a campus police to deal with this, particularly because there is s regular local police department who tend to be more than capable of handling it.

Second, the idea of campus police isn't to handle big shootings. It's to give the university more control over their campus environment, and sometimes to patrol the campus in places where the local police have more important things to do (higher-crime areas). For plenty of schools, this isn't that big a deal - they aren't in a particularly dangerous neighborhood, and feel that campus security is sufficient to protect the campus, and that the local police is capable of handling things like investigating thefts and other crimes on campus.

Thirdly, there is at least one school I know of which *does* have some of its security staff be sworn police officers, with powers of arrest. They are also unarmed, because it's not a dangerous area at all, and unarmed police are generally considered more approachable than people with lethal weapons attached to their body.

I understand. However, in my opinion when there's a slightest possibility of some crazy lunatic come in shooting, I'd put a RobCo securitron in the lobby just in case, but lets suppose they know the costs better. But still, would it cost so much to have some firearms stored in a security room and make officers do shooting practice once in a while? 

 

The only reason I'm so stubbornly asking this is that in my country just an idea that someone may shoot in a school and kill a kid is outrageous and  I can't realize how money may be more important then people. 

 

 

 

Yes they have an office with security officers, and a couple of deputies. On campus if you get to a phone and press *8 the securities respond as well as the Deputies get a call to respond. As far as expensive, i was told it was cheaper than having their own campus PD

Thanks for the info! Does it help to decline crime on campus?)

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