Yeah. You should refer to NicolaiB's posts.

I guess you forgot about this post:

You can't really blame anyone for anything when we can see this sort of things , two examples : http://www.google.fr/imgres?rlz=1C1KMZB_enFR555FR555&es_sm=93&biw=1920&bih=954&tbm=isch&tbnid=tquv8Uduz1iQbM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsetyoufreenews.wordpress.com%2Fcategory%2Fsoldier-brutality%2F&docid=8101r1SdhP0XkM&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Flh4.googleusercontent.com%2F-L6IebmydGuo%2FTYj1K-SMzMI%2FAAAAAAAABXc%2FLotakxH1RbE%2Fs1600%2Fshamsara20110322073456547%252B-%252BCopy.jpg&w=450&h=300&ei=7H8wU92UBeGm0QWXq4HwBA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=1591&page=1&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=0CG0QrQMwCA , http://www.google.fr/imgres?rlz=1C1KMZB_enFR555FR555&es_sm=93&biw=1920&bih=954&tbm=isch&tbnid=M4Ok-LTs5pvEDM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fethiopianewsforum.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D68656&docid=VJIQdD4Dz6m0TM&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn2%2F1528594_626546344050692_1920277317_n.jpg&w=480&h=379&ei=7H8wU92UBeGm0QWXq4HwBA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=702&page=1&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=0CJkBEK0DMBU

You can't really blame anyone for anything when we can see this sort of things , two examples : http://www.google.fr/imgres?rlz=1C1KMZB_enFR555FR555&es_sm=93&biw=1920&bih=954&tbm=isch&tbnid=tquv8Uduz1iQbM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsetyoufreenews.wordpress.com%2Fcategory%2Fsoldier-brutality%2F&docid=8101r1SdhP0XkM&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Flh4.googleusercontent.com%2F-L6IebmydGuo%2FTYj1K-SMzMI%2FAAAAAAAABXc%2FLotakxH1RbE%2Fs1600%2Fshamsara20110322073456547%252B-%252BCopy.jpg&w=450&h=300&ei=7H8wU92UBeGm0QWXq4HwBA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=1591&page=1&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=0CG0QrQMwCA , http://www.google.fr/imgres?rlz=1C1KMZB_enFR555FR555&es_sm=93&biw=1920&bih=954&tbm=isch&tbnid=M4Ok-LTs5pvEDM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fethiopianewsforum.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D68656&docid=VJIQdD4Dz6m0TM&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn2%2F1528594_626546344050692_1920277317_n.jpg&w=480&h=379&ei=7H8wU92UBeGm0QWXq4HwBA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=702&page=1&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=0CJkBEK0DMBU

Quit trying to change the topic. You claimed ethnic cleansing was never attempted in Serbia, and those images have nothing to do with that. All you are doing is showing that you know you were wrong.

 

But if we want to talk about dishonoring dead bodies, we could talk about what happened to Randy Shugart and Gary Gordon, or go on into all the video taped beheadings of US soldiers.

Implying the States are the only ones who've done such things. Truth is, there's an underbelly to everything. Changing the topic won't help.

 

Taken from "your" war, this is exactly why a peacekeeping operation had to be done. NSFW.

 

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I found worse but the board wouldn't let me link them.

 

 

Edited March 24, 201412 yr by Olanov

I'm sorry but there is no proof if they're Serbians or no , there were lots of cases where groups said that they're Serbians and then killed civils , UN soldiers . And this is a Bosnian war picture , that makes the chances that they are Serbs way lower .

I know that they are Serbians. The story told by the reporter who took these images was that he went for a ride along with Arkan (Famous Serbian General) and his group Arkanovi Tigrovi. These men were volunteers consisting of racist thugs who took part in ethnic cleansing across Bosnia and Croatia. You can also tell by the insignia.

 

See the story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1347218.stm

 

SgtMckinson I think you're on lost ground here because not only the US but almost the whole of Europe was involved too in "invading" your country back then in form of NATO forces. While you can say that not all of the US' "invasions" have been right in history the one back in '99 with the NATO was absolutely correct. Still now Europe is hunting those responsible for the crimes commited in the Yugoslav wars. So while there was provocations from the Kosovo's side too, Serbia way overreacted with brutal force and had to be stopped, not only because the world learned what they could be capable of just 4 years earlier. And saying there wasn't any genocide is almost as stupid as saying there was no holocaust in WW2.

 

So you really shouldn't blame the NATO for entering the conflict. Due to war's nature, a conflict is always awful and full of horrors and maybe traumatizing, but the historical facts show that after Srebrenica '95 Serbia was very well capable of commiting such a crime again.

Yeah, I've heard the Serbians actively deny any commited war crimes. There was even a policy about it invented through the educational system so there would be no mentions of crimes they committed. Seems legit.

Positive. Arkan was a Serbian paramilitary. Here's some background to the events of the image and Arkan himself:

 

Ron Haviv in an interview:

 

Documentary about Arkan (Željko Ražnatović): 

(First 5 seconds reveals all)

 

Some of their propaganda: 

I'd like to remind you all that OP is talking about the 1999 Kosovo War. This is NOT the 1992 Bosnian War. The two wars, although in a similar geographic region, are not related. Claims of genocide have been made from all sides of the conflict, and NATO is not without fault. This is a very complicated topic and is made more difficult by people who are educated solely on Wikipedia articles. If you only know of this war from what you have read on Wikipedia, you don't have a clear understanding of the situation.

 

The mass graves and genocides that are known world-wide are part of the Bosnian War. The Kosovo War is different, and shouldn't be grouped in as part of the Bosnian War.

I'd like to remind you all that OP is talking about the 1999 Kosovo War. This is NOT the 1992 Bosnian War. The two wars, although in a similar geographic region, are not related. Claims of genocide have been made from all sides of the conflict, and NATO is not without fault. This is a very complicated topic and is made more difficult by people who are educated solely on Wikipedia articles. If you only know of this war from what you have read on Wikipedia, you don't have a clear understanding of the situation.

 

The mass graves and genocides that are known world-wide are part of the Bosnian War. The Kosovo War is different, and shouldn't be grouped in as part of the Bosnian War.

A little bit of " support " is nice from you , where are you from ?

A little bit of " support " is nice from you , where are you from ?

 

Don't misinterpret my clarifications as support. I'm from Sarajevo, but I live in Canada. I left just before the war siege of Sarajevo began (literally days before).

I'd like to remind you all that OP is talking about the 1999 Kosovo War. This is NOT the 1992 Bosnian War. The two wars, although in a similar geographic region, are not related. Claims of genocide have been made from all sides of the conflict, and NATO is not without fault. This is a very complicated topic and is made more difficult by people who are educated solely on Wikipedia articles. If you only know of this war from what you have read on Wikipedia, you don't have a clear understanding of the situation.

 

The mass graves and genocides that are known world-wide are part of the Bosnian War. The Kosovo War is different, and shouldn't be grouped in as part of the Bosnian War.

 

Good to know! Thanks for the heads up.

Good to know! Thanks for the heads up.

 

No problem. It just bothers me when people are very opinionated about a topic that they have only researched on Wikipedia. I'm not trying to say that their opinion doesn't count, I just don't want people to make conclusions about the conflict without adequate information, seeing as this (as well as the Bosnian War) was a very complicated war.  

 

It's always far too easy to make a conclusion based on one side of the story. I'm just trying to promote a more in depth analysis of the situation; deeper than just reading a Wikipedia article. 

As a part of this war , where i almost lost my life , i've seen that the US ( NATO too ) government is looking at things they don't need to , they simply think that the are the planet's cops but the are not . I'm not saying that the US population is bad , i'm just saying that the government is bad , and about genocids and all that stuff , that's only bullsh*t , because we just defended our selfs after we got attacked , like anybody else would do

Our Government is not bad, the United States is the world power. If something is going on globally people expect the US to do something or else it makes us look bad. 

He should be thankful he even has the freedom to spew his misinformation on the internet. Another generation of ungrateful kids taught to hate America by their grandparents yet if it wasn't for American/NATO/European intervention most of these theaters wouldn't be where they are today. We didn't choose to be the World Police, most of us don't like the idea but we as the WORLD aka NATO will not stand by and watch innocent children and women get slaughtered.

 

Your Welcome, for my service and the service of my brothers and sisters to give you the freedom to run your mouth on the internet like you actually know what your talking about. You kids on these forums crack me up. No offense but most of you were not even born to argue this point.Please get some real world experience instead of playing video games before you talk about a topic you obviously know nothing about. 

 

Nobody wins in any Conflict....NOBODY. There are no innocent, there are no winners. We all Lose. 

The Yugoslav wars are related though.

 

And yes, it wasn't only the Serbs that committed atrocities during the wars, but that's not what OP was talking about. OP wrongfully claimed that the US attacked Serbia for no reason.

 

I's plain as day for anyone that aren't brainwashed by the Serbian government that the Serbs committed some of the worst war crimes and crimes against humanity since World War 2. They continuously fought though several wars to build a Greater Serbia, a Serbia that was free from oppression from the Bosnians and Croats.

We're not saying that the Serbs were the only war criminals, at no point has anyone argued that.

 

Yes, I am referencing Wikipedia because I can't defence my old classmates that came from Kosovo and Bosnia because their families had been murdered by the Serbs, I can't reference my former neighbours who fled their country to avoid the wars and I can't reference my former colleagues that served in KFOR or the many hours we spent in school and college learning about the Balkans.

To attach toward supporting of NicolaiB's statement, the United States Military views both scenarios (or conflicts) as one regional conflict for military and reference purposes. I'm not saying it is, or that the areas were affected differently. Just in the measure of which we look back, study, adapt, responded to the incident.

Additionally, most people don't know, but there has been (and still is) an American combat aviation and infantry brigade on the ground within the region to maintain the peace almost a quarter of a century later. And, you thought our time in Afghanistan was significant  period of time. That commitment just showcases the atrocities that the military encountered while in the region.

The Yugoslavian wars are only related in the sense that they were fights between different ethnic communities in the same general geographic area.

 

Keep in mind, I am in no way defending OP, just clearing some things up. And I *really* hope you aren't talking to me about being brainwashed (I legitimately hope you aren't, not meaning that as a threat or anything) because it was my family that was on the receiving end of Serbian attacks (Bosnian war, not so much Kosovo war).

 

Here's a decent article about this: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1998/10/kosovo_and_bosnia_whats_the_difference.html

Edited March 24, 201412 yr by Bojan