I hope this doesn't ignite world war 3

I am afraid that it might. That worries me the most. 

Just wait until the US government starts to get involved. We will probably take the Ukraine's side because of how powerful Russia is and we will have ourselves another WW. 

Not saying it will happen just the likelihood of the US governments involvement is increasingly high considering President Obama told Russia to stay out.

FULL STATEMENT:

 

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everybody.

Over the last several days, the United States has been responding to events as they unfold in Ukraine.  Throughout this crisis, we have been very clear about one fundamental principle: The Ukrainian people deserve the opportunity to determine their own future.  Together with our European allies, we have urged an end to the violence and encouraged Ukrainians to pursue a course in which they stabilize their country, forge a broad-based government and move to elections this spring.

I also spoke several days ago with President Putin, and my administration has been in daily communication with Russian officials, and we've made clear that they can be part of an international community’s effort to support the stability and success of a united Ukraine going forward, which is not only in the interest of The people of Ukraine and the international community, but also in Russia’s interest.

However, we are now deeply concerned by reports of military movements taken by the Russian Federation inside of Ukraine.  Russia has a historic relationship with Ukraine, including cultural and economic ties, and a military facility in Crimea, but any violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing, which is not in the interest of Ukraine, Russia, or Europe. 

It would represent a profound interference in matters that must be determined by the Ukrainian people.  It would be a clear violation of Russia’s commitment to respect the independence and sovereignty and borders of Ukraine, and of international laws.  And just days after the world came to Russia for the Olympic Games, it would invite the condemnation of nations around the world.  And indeed, the United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine.

The events of the past several months remind us of how difficult democracy can be in a country with deep divisions.  But the Ukrainian people have also reminded us that human beings have a universal right to determine their own future. 

Right now, the situation remains very fluid.  Vice President Biden just spoke with Prime Minister -- the Prime Minister of Ukraine to assure him that in this difficult moment the United States supports his government’s efforts and stands for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and democratic future of Ukraine.  I also commend the Ukrainian government’s restraint and its commitment to uphold its international obligations. 

We will continue to coordinate closely with our European allies.  We will continue to communicate directly with the Russian government.  And we will continue to keep all of you in the press corps and the American people informed as events develop.

Thanks very much.

What's Obama going to do?  It's pretty much "Stop or I'll tell you to stop again".

 

You can just picture Sergei Lavrov sighing, saying "whatever" and hanging up the phone.  I don't think Putin is the sort of person that loses sleep over the prospect of not being in the G8, especially when he has the valves to half of Europe's gas.

You never know what kind of stuff any government has up their sleeves or when the breaking point is. If some little country decides it wants to fight for itself, we can supply them with aid such as weapons, food and potentially even boots on the ground to prevent further troop movements inside Ukraine, if the U.S. does not wish to directly declare war on Russia. This could be a great source of income for us, as supplies to other countries (see the lend-lease act) was one of the ways the U.S. got their economic groove back. Also, the caucuses isn't the only area where people can get oil from, anyway. We do the majority of our business in the middle east, Romania has plenty of the stuff and depending on if our relations with Russia goes sour or not, supposedly there are untapped resources in Alaska. I'm sure there are other countries out there who can supply it too, but those are the sources I can think of off the top of my head.

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You never know what kind of stuff any government has up their sleeves or when the breaking point is. If some little country decides it wants to fight for itself, we can supply them with aid such as weapons, food and potentially even boots on the ground to prevent further troop movements inside Ukraine, if the U.S. does not wish to directly declare war on Russia. This could be a great source of income for us, as supplies to other countries (see the lend-lease act) was one of the ways the U.S. got their economic groove back. Also, the caucuses isn't the only area where people can get oil from, anyway. We do the majority of our business in the middle east, Romania has plenty of the stuff and depending on if our relations with Russia goes sour or not, supposedly there are untapped resources in Alaska. I'm sure there are other countries out there who can supply it too, but those are the sources I can think of off the top of my head.

I don't think selling Ukraine weapons and stuff may be a source of income for anyone. They're almost bankrupt, that is, and probably can't afford buying any foreign equipment. Moreover, it is still questionable if Army supports the current government. Yesterday evening the Naval Force chief sided with Crimean separatist and Russia, ordering his subordinates not to obey Kiev any longer. Plus, Ukraine simply unable to stand a full-scale conflict with Russian armed forces, no matter how many supplies are provided.

 

Probably the deployment of a UN Peacekeeping unit might stop the aggression, but taking this decision is a lengthy process.

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Those "conspiracy theories" were directly related to the Russian troops in Crimea. Tz71 stated that once they started to take control of Crimea, the US would get involved and eventually a large war would have broken out over this. We were debating about the outcome of such Russian troops in Crimea and how they would affect the world if things took a turn for the worse. Isn't this thread for debating about what the Russian troops are going to be doing in Crimea?

 

Also, where in the hell did you get "lizard people" from this debate? Nowhere was it stated by anyone that the Russian militants had any involvement with the "lizard people" conspiracy. If that was your attempt at making a joke of this whole thing, then I'll be the first to say that it was not in fact humoring. Besides, why make jokes when this thread is clearly meant for a serious debate?

Those "conspiracy theories" were directly related to the Russian troops in Crimea. Tz71 stated that once they started to take control of Crimea, the US would get involved and eventually a large war would have broken out over this. We were debating about the outcome of such Russian troops in Crimea and how they would affect the world if things took a turn for the worse. Isn't this thread for debating about what the Russian troops are going to be doing in Crimea?

You may have been reading different posts than I did. The hidden posts were about "new world order", "banker thugs", and the like. It was a wild tangent, and was taking the thread EXTREMELY off-topic.

 

Also, where in the hell did you get "lizard people" from this debate? Nowhere was it stated by anyone that the Russian militants had any involvement with the "lizard people" conspiracy. If that was your attempt at making a joke of this whole thing, then I'll be the first to say that it was not in fact humoring. Besides, why make jokes when this thread is clearly meant for a serious debate?

It's part of my generic shorthand for "conspiracy theories".

I would quote the posts so that I may prove my point of how they did in fact relate back to the Russian militants in Crimea, but now they're hidden. I can't see them and therefore I cannot show you why I believe that they did relate to the thread. Sadly, I don't have a perfect photographic memory, so I can't state what they consisted of word for word.

You may have been reading different posts than I did. The hidden posts were about "new world order", "banker thugs", and the like. It was a wild tangent, and was taking the thread EXTREMELY off-topic.

 

It's part of my generic shorthand for "conspiracy theories".

well maybe like I posted before you hid it you should do a thing called research it has everything to do with Russia and crimea and the eu, the new world order is real not "conspiracy theory" this is real life sorry if the truth hurts but im sick of seeing my country and the world go to hell because people cant seem to learn from history and also I do NOT believe in the bs reptilian theory they are a bunch of nut heads with nothing better to do with there life other then take low quality video and say look lizordz...anyway there is a reason why I posted the names of the people destroying this planet they have a part in destabilizing the region in the middle east and bring in a central banking system, I can guarantee you ww3 will start from this if not then in the very near future also the collapse of the dollar is imminent, john Kerry is already spewing about "consequences" if Russia doesn't stop the invasion same bs script that he reciting regarding the situation in Syria, all im trying to do is to get people to think for themselves and do research and question everything pretty soon reality is going to slap the non believers in the face and its gunna hurt you will wonder what happened and why

I can only hope that the folks in Western and Eastern Ukraine, and their leaders could sit down and talk out their issues. If Kiev wants to keep their present post 1954 borders, they should show that they'll do their best to protect the rights of Ukrainian citizens on both sides (I think making Ukrainian the sole official language helped worsen things IMO), and show that they can do this. On the other hand, there are reports on the BBC of Crimians attacking foreign nationals unprovoked on the streets right now. It's getting pretty ugly out there.

 

I'm not sure if a World War would start from this, but it would make for a bloody and terrifying conflict if it does escalate either way. As I mentioned earlier, the last time outside a World War a conflict was fought in this region, it was fought with a pretty bad loss of life. Similar issues too caused it to happen too, especially on the Ukrainian side.

I hope this gets solved without any foreign military firing a bullet.

I think its the time where FN and NATO should take it a bit carefull in follow from a danish newspaper theirs sait to be 6.000 Russian troops plus we gotta be carefull that North Korea and Russia dosent start a new war

I think its the time where FN and NATO should take it a bit carefull in follow from a danish newspaper theirs sait to be 6.000 Russian troops plus we gotta be carefull that North Korea and Russia dosent start a new war

North Korea wouldn't start a war unless they wanted to be wiped out from the face of Earth...

And Russia won't like a war too, since the leaders' money, real estate, and even children are in foreign countries, including the USA and EU

Russia have given Ukrainian forces until 0300 GMT to stand down or they will face the "storm"

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1220272/ukraine-russia-delivers-assault-storm-deadline

Looks like trade sanctions are going to be set into place from the U.S. Unknown as to what kind so far.

Russia is making some stupid moves right now that is all i have to say 

Russia is making some stupid moves right now that is all i have to say 

Ukraine was getting out of line. Russia responded by showing Ukraine who has the bigger guns on their side of EU. Russia wanted to end it peacefully and return things to normal. How is Russia "making some stupid moves"?

Ukraine was getting out of line. Russia responded by showing Ukraine who has the bigger guns on their side of EU. Russia wanted to end it peacefully and return things to normal. How is Russia "making some stupid moves"?

Well the first stupid move is that they SENT 16 THOUSAND troops in there 2 they told Ukraine forces that they have until 0300 GMT to stand down or they will face the "storm" that is 2 stupid moves

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Why is it that "16 thousand troops" are needed? Maybe it's because Ukraine's unstable revolt could turn into something bigger and more violent? In this instance, Russia's sending a lot of militants in order to show Ukraine that the crap needs to stop. They gave Ukraine a time limit to stand down because they knew that if they hadn't said anything when sending thousands of troops into the country, the people of Ukraine would have taken it as commencing war and therefore attacked first, though this is unlikely. Russia is just trying to show Ukraine who is in charge, hence so many troops. Russia is not "stupid" because they want order to be restored to that country's government, whether the people like it or not. What happens when the Ukrainian government is overturned and revolts turn to battles? With Russia stepping in to take control, this whole struggle over power should come to a peaceful end.

 

Russia's also doing this because they're both bordering countries. It would be like the people of Canada attempting to overthrow the government in order to start a nationwide revolution. Once the Canadian government is out numbered, who's going to go to the rescue in order to ensure the safety of it's own nation's people? The United States. It's in the best interest of both Russian and Ukraine things cool down. Neither country will benefit from a civil war over political differences.

Why is it that "16 thousand troops" are needed? Maybe it's because Ukraine's unstable revolt could turn into something bigger and more violent? In this instance, Russia's sending a lot of militants in order to show Ukraine that the crap needs to stop. They gave Ukraine a time limit to stand down because they knew that if they hadn't said anything when sending thousands of troops into the country, the people of Ukraine would have taken it as commencing war and therefore attacked first, though this is unlikely. Russia is just trying to show Ukraine who is in charge, hence so many troops. Russia is not "stupid" because they want order to be restored to that country's government, whether the people like it or not. What happens when the Ukrainian government is overturned and revolts turn to battles? With Russia stepping in to take control, this whole struggle over power should come to a peaceful end.

 

Russia's also doing this because they're both bordering countries. It would be like the people of Canada attempting to overthrow the government in order to start a nationwide revolution. Once the Canadian government is out numbered, who's going to go to the rescue in order to ensure the safety of it's own nation's people? The United States. It's in the best interest of both Russian and Ukraine things cool down. Neither country will benefit from a civil war over political differences.

You made some good points but is it really necessary to send in 16 thousand troops in by air,land,and sea? I feel like Putin is being a bully because everyone knows that Russia's Army could destroy them with a fraction of the 16 thousand troops.