Richard Noggin

And others must acknowledge that there is absolutely nothing, nada, zip to prevent evil people from doing evil, horrid, vile, mean thing's. Why don't you add that before you start directing the conversations issues toward one side of the spectrum? There are fucked up people out there that will do fucked up things and no law or restriction will stop these vile people from completing their objective.

Yes, get rid of all this regulation that is destroying society and just keep basic laws on the books. Do not kill, do not steal, do not in infringe. People can live peacefully without the government down everyones nose. There is so mush shit out there That hinders everyone from everything. I'm not cutting anything out, these Liberties are for everyone, not just me. I may not be forbidden from owning guns now, but requiring me to do extra things to get them is forbidding me from them. You want me to be the person "YOU" want to see have a gun. You know for a fact that" due to my beliefs, you wouldnt want people like me to have them, and I havent ever done bad with my guns. How am I being selfish if I want everyone to be equal and not have to be shunned uppon for wanting to own something? Some societies can live in that type of control ridden community if they want. Some societies wish to live in harmony with basic rules set forth to ensure that everyone is equal. Yes societies live together in "harmony" not under a system that entails force upon others that may want to live a different way, or wish to own or do something that does no harm to another person. And you say that some countries are better to live in the due to a rating system? Show the the statistics that are not fabricated by a magazine or news organization. Like I said before, you prefer to be ruled by others with the false notion of being safe, i wish to live to my own free will that doesnt harm or interfere with the lifes of others. You will never understand what freedom is, nor will you ever.

Show me the actual fact and not something mentioned and twisted in a magazine. And with 350,000,000 plus firearms, in this country, why isnt it more common to hear about people, accedently, shooting themselves or a family member or a innocent person? Because its happened a few times and all the other statistics were takin out of the study, that makes it more likely for me to do that? Just because someone says that you are statistically more likely to shoot yourself, your family, or an innocent person, doesnt make that true. You need hard evidence to prove it. Not a study conducted to 5,000 people and 2/3rds of the study is left out. It is not irrelevant to the argument. Its like saying That "buying a truck makes you more likley to drive drunk than it is if you buy a car". It is not irrelevant because if someone cant commit suicide with one thing, they will try another. Most people that commit suicide and survive it, regret it, and its not the gun thats the issue. Those are not facts, you show no evidence for anything, all you say is "because people kill themselves with guns, that makes it more likley to kill yourself with guns". Percentages of suicides involving firearms and poisoning declined from 1999 through 2014, while suicides involving suffocation increased. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm Here, read this. Its not a political magazine that only pics and chooses what it wants you to see. FACTS! Let's ban suffocation devices! (Or heavily restrict them) You seriously have no idea what you are talking about. If someone is threatening my life, I should be able to exert superior force to defend my life. You act as if every time, someone defends themselves, everyone ecept the intended target gets hurt. Most of the time the one in defence and the bystanders get out without a scratch on them. These people arnt looking to confront someone that is ready for them, do you not get it? They want the weak people that will give them what they want and not resist or fight back. The criminal wants to be in control, when you take the control away from them, they panic. All that you want to do is five into these people and allow no one to have a chance against them, even if it means the victim is the one that must die or be seriously injured. Its not sickening, its freaking reality. Bad people will not stop doing bad things because you reastricted law abiding people from them. And I do care about these people, your the prick trying to save lives by taking a innanoment object from people and it will do absolutely nothing to save anyones lives. All that you will acheave from this is creating new law's, restricting people that wish to have them for good, and wish to be left alone. What are you going to see? A decrease in gun crimes? More like a increase in all crimes. You are only worried about gun crimes and fail to understand all crimes. Its not about why it was designed, its about how its used. The GPS was made for military purposes for christ sake. Same argument i am making. Most people use guns for good purposes, some use them for bad purposes. People use computers to desteoy peoples lives, under your thought process, that is justifacation to restric it from people. What is not invited that was designed for something? Most people, that use guns, only shoot paper target's or clay pigeons. Swords we're made to kill, bows and arrows were made to kill, knives were made to kill, guillotines were made to kill. Lets restrict anything That was made to kill. I can buy a tank if i wand to and i dont have to register it. Yes. It is the indeviduals choice to do what they wish. And to drive, legally, you must show that you can pass a test and more people die from car accedents than do from guns. What did this achieve? I bet you that if the U.S. government did what its supposed to, like it used to, we wouldn't be in anarchy. Every time the government gets involved, everything gets worse. I disregard nothing, i know that people will do what they wish even if it is illegal. You are interfering with the indevidual and trying to control one that cannot be controlled. You take away someones will and they will fight for it back. You wish to be ruled, I wish to be free. Freedom is about the Liberties of the Indevidual and "NOT" about the manufacturing of false safety.

Seriously tell me how I am wrong? If I use a gun, to defend myself, how how did it not increase my survive ability? What is wrong if I kill someone that is attacking me? Is someone that attacks me innocent? Is someone breaking into my house innocent? Is someone car jacking me innocent? Some actually do mention that. And on the suicide part, people can commit suicide with most anything. Why is the gun such a big problem in your eyes with suicide? People can OD on pills for suicide. Yes I do actually. I am not a right wing gun nut that doesn't understand that people do bad things with guns, or people have accidents with guns. I know they do, but you cant punish me and everyone else for the actions of a few. You wont even argue against anything else that has been used to kill, murder, or used for suicide. You only argue against the gun, because in your eyes, guns are the most evil thing in the world and no one should have them unchecked. Everyone should be looked at as a potential nut job before getting access to guns. The larger reality is that people have and use these guns for self defense and sport. Because some people do bad things or some people decide to commit suicide with a gun instead of hanging or ODing, that is an argument on your part to control everyone who gets them. Lets do the same with cars now, why dont we. What do you want? No one to kill themselves with guns? What is a preferred measure that you think they should take? You say it makes it easy, so does ODing. I am not ignorant. I just choose not to punish everyone for someones actions. Why dont we register people that have computers? There are people that gain access to peoples stuff on their computers and ruin peoples lives. Or even pedifiles that traffic child porn on the internet, why not do a criminal background check on everyone getting a PC? Register them to the pc too and require reasoning as to why they want a pc. You are attacking one object that people use for good and you fail to see that good is done with it. Whats soo cringy about reality? How did this go? Tell me about it, did he sneak up on you? Did he walk toward you? Was there a reason that you were in this position? No, you think that it is impossible to be able to defend yourself and refuse to recognize that people have guns for this purpose along with others. I am not deluded, I live in this type of society and know what goes on here. You are lost and deluded and would prefer for someone else to make your life decisions for your and have you live in the manor that they wish. Its not self machoism, it is what I have seen throughout my life. You all can live the life that you wish to live, do not try to think that you know how others should live. There are realities that have not been experienced by you but has been by others and there is no justification to keep someone from getting a means to protect themselves. That is what you all fail to understand.

Oh snap, look what I found.... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/defensive-gun-ownership-gary-kleck-response-115082 Do you still wish to base evidence off of that article?

No, i am saying that having a gun can greatly increase your chances of survival. I did read the article, the studies it states are flawed. And there have been some cases where someone shot someone they precieved to be a burglar just like some cops have shot people they thought had a gun. Have you ever though about the people that have used a gun in self defence? Remember that article, just like many like it, does not tell the whole story or they dig only a inch into something when they have to dig a foot to find out the truth. I can give you artucles stating the exact opposite of what you showed me. They used partial studies or flawed studies to prove their point when there isnt any. I am speaking as a person that has used their weapon in self defence and that may not be here today or of been severely injured if I had not had my gun. I can speak of my uncle who encounteres 3 people in his house, shot and killed those 3 people and lived. It turned out 2 of them were connected to murders. So what about the people that didnt kill themselves when they shot themselves? That has happened a lot. What are you going to do about people that want to die? You cant stop that. How should someone that wants to die, die? Guns are used in self defence all the time, even if its just showing the weapon, more often than not. Why should we keep people from getting these weapons or asking for permission to get these weapons if they choose to use them for self defence? Do any of you have any experience with getting attacked? Fearing that you may not see your family again? Or that the next time your loved ones see you is in a casket?

In the U.S. its the wording and the meaning behind the wording that matters. These rights were put in place for specific reasons. I whole heartedly agree that if you have a gun, you should be trained in how to use it safely, shoot it, and clean it. There are morons in the world that arnt exactly the best with weapons. That is already in place in the United States and some states have more requirements than the feds require. Some states dont require licencing to carry concealed. I don't even have one, nor do I plan on getting one anytime soon. I will say though that I have invested thousands of dollars of my own personal money in firearma training that would put most, if not all, police department requirements to shame.

I've never shot myself but I have used my gun in self defence more than once. And also, when you live in a house with knives, you are more likely to get cut than someone without a knife. Its a moronic argument there. If my assailant doesn't have a gun and I pull one out, the assailant is more likely to get shot, not me. And the in-sexy realities of gun restriction is the fewer amout of people that have access to a weapon that could save their life. This is self defence, peoples lives have been saved by using guns. 30,000 people die from guns every year. More than half of those is suicide. I live in a country of 350,000,000 people. 15,000 or less is not than many people compared to those killed by other means.

You went of the deep end with your wild rant, I responded. And I am not looning, this is serious, this is about ones preservation, which you seem to not care about. You prefer to notice all the bad that is done with a weapon while ignoring all the good that is done with it. Looks like "YOU" are going all loonie pal. You know exactly what I mean when I say that when people give in to others, more is always wanted. It is a continuous trend everywhere, from england to Canada all the way to the U.S. Every time we give some ground its never enough and people still want more. They say that this will stop gun violence, thwn it doesn't and they want more. Even if it is a store robbery the cops, more often than not, show up after the crime was done. Response times arnt 30 secs out or less, thet are minuts out and thats more than enough time to rob a place. The cops uphold the law after a crime was committed. Well you must be living no where near society. These crime happen everyday. People are attacked for no reason, by multiple people, even if they know the people in question. I have lived around this shit all my life, I have lived in a gang ridden city my whole life and the only people you would help, by restricting people from getting guns, are criminals and only criminals. These crimes are happening, and even if it is one person that is jumping me, I would rather have a gun to defend myself than my fist or a Razer because those dont always work. Even if they had a knife or a machete or a bat, that is still deadly to you and your chances of running to safety are extremely slim. You act as if criminals are always stupid and wont chase you or stop you. Go atleast watch some videos of these things happening. And your going to call on someone else to help you? What if that person gets seriously injured or killed? What if no one comes to your aid? You are left alone. All you care about are guns, you dont understand that there are other weapons that can kill you too. I dont want to get shot or stabbed or beat with a bat or by a bunch of people. I just want to go home and I know that if someone tries to attack me, I have the option of my gun being used to protect me. If someone breaks into my house, i have a gun to use to protect me. My saftey and security are assisted by these weapons and thats why i have them. And if they just wanted to beat you up for no reason, what would giving them what you think they want of helped? What if you gave it to them and they still beat you half to death? Are you ok with almost dying and suffering so that you know that they didnt do it with a gun or knowing that you were protected soo well by your government from guns that this was ok? When you give in, to criminals, you enable them. Your not playing a hero when you defend yourself. And even if it was over 20 bucks, no one should get away with threatining me for what i have, for what i have worked hard for. And wtf is with this penis shit? We dont carry a gun and say " now I have a big penis" we carry to protect ourselves. That was soo fucking stupid what you tried to do there. They wont leave you alone, they will continue with what they do because you give into their will. There is not insurance for everything. The victim is usually left to deal with the repricution of loosing what they had. Not vice versa. What part of "it doesnt work like that in the real world" do you not understand? What did the robber do? Leave you with there information? Did a camera catch all the information that was needed to show up to his front door and arrest him? No, those cases usually sit forever unsolved. You are not in a civilized country if you are encouraged to give into criminals. And we shoot in defence of our lives here. You act as if the criminal is the innocent party here and that i should give in to these people. Why should i give up what i worked for? Why should we let criminals take whatever they want when they want? Why should i take any chances on my life if someone wants to do me harm? Is it a better outcome if I am left paralyzed and the criminal if having a good time? The gun is a tool for everyone. Yes people use them in horrid act's, but why should I be punished because of the actions of others?

Are you getting butt hurt Histaria? We have law enforcement officers that are train and do the best to uphold the law, but by no means can they protect everyone. Officer's usually, even in your country, show up after the fact. Your countries take and take and will continue to take until there is nothing left. Thats why we dont give any space. So tell me this, if someone comes up and starts to attack you and fighting back with your fist isnt working so you end up in the hospital. How did the cops save you? If a gang of people are breaking into your house, they beat you, rape you, and leave you for dead. All the while you were unable to make a phone call to the police. How did they save or help you? The damage is already done and you were left without a means to defend yourself. Or how about, 7 people are wanting to beat the shit out of you, they dont care if you die, and a wall is in between you and them. Wouldn't you having access to a gun to protect yourself save you? Or is it the cops that Will save you? I know for a fact, because this happend to me, that the cops would not save you. You would get the shit beat out of you, then paramedics would come pick you up, the cops would take a police report, but no justice would happen because you didnt know those people. The cops show up after a crime is done, they cannot and will not protect you. Even if you have a cop one cop for every one person in your country, you will still have people lurking to commit violent act's.

One of the reasons why people are opposed to it is because it wont work. Just because someone is stable today, does not mean that they will not have a mental episode tomorrow. Another reason why we are not willing to give more ground is because Every time we give some they want more and more and more. We have seen as examples, in other societies, how this will create a system that is not in favor of these weapons. First and foremost, Stand your ground law is about self defence not protection of property. And I would say that is is a violation of peoples rights if the state stands in and says that you have a duty to retreat and are shunned uppon for defending yourself. One of the largest reasons, for people getting guns, is for self preservation, not recreational. No one should be denied, have to ask premonition, or have to go through a background check (That may be bias) or a waiting period to obtain a weapon to defend themselves, and the best weapon is gun. There is no reason for anyone, not even the government, to know if I have a gun or not. The only people that know i have a gun is who I choose to tell. The government is the most powerful evil force that anyone has ever seen. If no one knows that someone has a gun, how would you know they have one unless you have been told about it? Most people are not trying to get into a gun fight when they break into someones home. They are looking for victims that wont fight back. I dont know how this has anything to do with an indevidual owning a gun without the government knowing. I mean, you could some how ask all the rapists come in and register themselves so that, when a rape is commuted, you could go get them? And to counter that, that same government enslaved my family and everyone else in there region because they were of german decent. That is a good reason right there to not let the government know what you have.