Monty0112

Too right. When I saw the original video without the analysis, I couldn't believe they were actually laughing. I mean, what could possibly be funny about seeing a person get shot to death? Talk about lack of respect.

Why some people still can't speak basic English these days is beyond me... How do they even play games or even this mod? Anyway, there is no need to triple post. We are aware of your problem. Now, like Jacob said, do you have any map mods installed (for example GTA IV San andreas)?

It's not that I'm pro or contra, it's just that minors have a lot of rights that are hard to accomplish in a prison. The fact is, in your example I would have no problem with it, seeing the facts are clear and 16 is a proper age. However, he would still have all the rights a child has by law. For example, right to education. I just think it's harsh to sentence a 14 year old to life in prison without chance of parole. Some kids are just not educated or are born in extreme poverty and have no chances in life, other than a criminal career. And let's say for instance that a 14 year old and a 16 year old try to rob an old lady but the 16 year old one beats her to death with a club. Would that 14 year old have to be sentenced to manslaughter for being an accomplice? Like unreal said, it's a case by case. Some teens really deserve to be sentenced to life. We had one recently here in belgium for killing a boy for his mp3 player. However, in some cases, it's the lack of education and extreme poverty that is the number one reason for their crimes. I highly doubt that putting these youngsters, especially when they're only 14, in a normal prison would do good. Don't get me wrong, I won't defend teenage criminals here. Far from it. When you've murdered someone, you have to be punished severely, whether you're 12 or 80. However, it's the way you punish them that should differ.

Well, I partially agree with you. Like I said, our system allows it for 16-18 and I'm fine with this. Regardless of the horrible crimes some of these teens committed, don't you think being sentenced to life at 14 years of age without chance of parole is cruel? To me, a juvenile institution with prison security measures would seem more fitting. That way, you could focus on education, since minors still have compulsory school attendance, and specific activities for juveniles instead of putting them with adult serial killers and rapers where there is nothing for them to be learned anymore except more criminal behaviour. Like I said though, this would mean a serious extra budget of course.

Thanks for the opinions guys. @NicolaiB: again, couldn't agree more. @Harper: we have plenty of chavs over here as well . It's impressive that UK officers are able to handle with so many scum. In this case, the LEO wouldn't even have a gun so he would have no choice but to engage in a melee fight or release the dog.

Couldn't agree more. However, I still believe that it is the job of a LEO to remain calm and rational in every situation. That's what they are trained to do. So in my view, releasing those shots even after he was clearly incapacitated, would be unprofessional conduct. As a referee, I know what it's like to make split second decisions and being shouted at and hated afterwards for making them by people who know nothing about the rules and the amount of presure. Therefore, I have the greatest respect for street policemen. It's a shame that the public doesn't.

Thanks for all the opinions so far. @Break: pretty much agree with everything you said. @rjn4: so in this case, you would have released your K9? Like Nicolai said, I don't think it would have done much, seeing the guy didn't even feel a taser in his face. @Nicolai: absolutely right. Suspects under the influence of drugs are capable of extreme things. I witnessed that myself already during my internship. So your opinion is the last 5 shots were justified as well? @Maze426: thanks for that. So the sideway shooting is indeed more common with K9 officers? Didn't know that. So internal affairs could still discipline him, even if he used justified lethal force but did so disproportionally? Edit: btw, could you please mention if this would be justified in your own country? In Belgium, this would probably be justified in the way that he wouldn't be facing charges for manslaughter but like Maze said, internal affairs (Comit

First,let me say that I am completely against children in a normal prison. It is cruel in every way since no child should grow up in a prison, regardless of what he has done. However, what this video doesn't show is what they did. Dominic Culpepper for example clubbed a girl and her mother to death. That's a horrible crime and it would be wrong to put such a person in a juvenile prison with juvenile thiefs and robbers. Unfortunately, these offender balance between two systems. You have the normal prisons, which are no place for them in my view. On the other hand you got the juvenile prisons but that's not an alternative either like I said. Building seperate prisons would be to costly I think. How is the US even allowed to disregard the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child btw? For example, a child has a right to spare time and hobbies so how would that be guaranteed in a prison? Here in Belgium, this is only possible for minors between 16-18 who are recidivists or for first time offenders with charges of murder/manslaughter. Also, the maximum punishment is 30 years. This, to me, seems like a fair system.

Greetings, Today I would ask the US members of this forum to straighten some things up for me. Opinions from other countries are welcome of course Not so long ago, this video was put on the Belgian police forum, of which I am a member. Now, the discussion was whether or not this particular LEO was authorised to use lethal force and if he was, if it is justified to shoot a man in the back as well. Make sure to watch the video first and read the analysis this person made of it. After that, I can discuss it properly since telling the entire story would take a lot of typing. Here in Belgium, the rules about deadly force are about the same as in the US. However, shooting a man 10 times is regarded as unproportional. Belgian officers shoot with hollow point ammunition to make sure the suspect is incapacitated without using too much rounds. Don't know the US type of ammo though so this could be a reason multiple rounds were discharged. The reason I placed it here is the fact that I want to hear opinions, other than Belgian LEO's since we are no experts on US law. So, long story short, I have these questions: 1. Did this LEO use authorised deadly force by US law? By belgian law, this would have been unproportional since he had his K9 as well and he fired 5 shots in his back after already discharging 5 shots. 2. If so, does the US law state anything about the allowed amount of rounds? 3. Would the use of his K9 have been more suitable here? Again, in Belgium a K9 officer would only refuse to send his K9 if there was a direct threat to the physical well being of the animal.In this situation, it is hard to judge though. 4. Is discharging a weapon sideways a common thing in the US? I highly doubt this though since weapons training is among the best in the US. Many thanks for your opinions and answers. And like I said, feel free to post your own opinions or country laws on this matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHVAwz0dAbw&feature=related

Snowbine harvester all the way :wink:

Hmm, strange. Have you read this: http://www.lcpdfr.com/forum-20/announcement-5-need-support-read-this-first/? Make sure that you have installed everything that is mentioned in those guidelines before running the installer.

Go to C:Program FilesRockstar Games. There should be a folder in there called "Grand theft auto IV". Right click on that folder and click properties. On the bottom of the screen you should see "read-only" next to attributes. Uncheck the box, click apply and then OK. Then run the installer again.

You could also use this () if you don't want to use SNT. It's a simple fix and wash script that xGessx made a while back.

Please ensure that your GTA IV folder is not read-only. To check this, right click on your GTA IV folder, click properties and uncheck read-only, click apply and OK. Also, as GTArescue said, make sure you are running the installer as administrator. Please use the search feature in the future as this has been discuessed dozens of times:

SHIFT+TAB shows all keys or read this key guide:

Make sure your GTA directory is not read-only when installing LCPDFR (right click on your GTA IV map, click properties and tick off "read-only".) and that you are running the installer as administrator. This has been said so many times. Try to use the search feature next time. Regards

@Tom H: no problem, an honest mistake. You were only trying to help :thumbsup:

PS3 controller is possible though. I play with one but you'll have to download an emulator so that the game thinks it's an xbox controller.

FBI/WIP tahoe?Seriously? Let me know if you come across a WIP tahoe on the road... @Tom H: those tahoes are for GTA San andreas. Would this one satisfy your needs?

There are some nice tutorials out there as well. Try this one, it explains .net scripts in C# in an extensive way and will introduce you to most of the basics: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=401577 Regards

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@Tom H: yes, the community guidelines don't say anything about uploading game data but read the topic I linked. It has been said a couple of times by various staff members that sharing original game files is not allowed.

I'm just following the forum rules: It's not allowed to share original game files on this forum, seeing they are copyright to Rockstar. However, the link you provided could be allowed since you yourself didn't provide the files.