Another day in America, and A mass shooting at a Santa Fe High school has occured in Texas, 50 miles from Houston. 8 students killed. The suspect "wearing a trenchcoat" opened fire with a sawn off shotgun at students in art class. Explosive devices also found. Seems like another shooter obsessed with Columbine. 

 

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Edited May 18, 20187 yr by Giordano
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Remember when people said schools were safe, and you should feel safe?  Remember when we had drills for these types of incidents but always giggled and played them off jokingly because it never happened?  I do, and it feels like it was so long ago.  I really feel for these kids and the staff who now are forced to always think the worst and that their life may be over whenever something like this happen.

 

These are kids, their job is to go to school, be idiots, and get in INNOCENT trouble.  They should not have to deal with this shit, especially not seeing a bleeding or deceased classmate.

Just now, Giordano said:

Remember when people said schools were safe, and you should feel safe?  Remember when we had drills for these types of incidents but always giggled and played them off jokingly because it never happened?  I do, and it feels like it was so long ago.  I really feel for these kids and the staff who now are forced to always think the worst and that their life may be over whenever something like this happen.

 

These are kids, their job is to go to school, be idiots, and get in INNOCENT trouble.  They should not have to deal with this shit, especially not seeing a bleeding or deceased classmate.

 

I believe President Trump will try and sort the issue, but with the NRA, I'm not sure. I don't think guns are soley to blame. This was a sawn off shotgun, not a AR-15 with a bump stock.  A very simple firearm that is easy to get even in my country. Mental health care needs to be improved and they should have placed this person on a watchlist. Classmates say he "always wore trenchcoats". That on its own should ring alarm bells after columbine. Another needless massacre that could have easily been prevented.

4 minutes ago, Giordano said:

Remember when people said schools were safe, and you should feel safe?  Remember when we had drills for these types of incidents but always giggled and played them off jokingly because it never happened?  I do, and it feels like it was so long ago.  I really feel for these kids and the staff who now are forced to always think the worst and that their life may be over whenever something like this happen.

 

These are kids, their job is to go to school, be idiots, and get in INNOCENT trouble.  They should not have to deal with this shit, especially not seeing a bleeding or deceased classmate.

Yep here we go https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/dimitrios-pagourtzis/

 

If foregin terrorists committed these attacks as often as these events take place, the US would be on lockdown. 

On 5/18/2018 at 12:32 PM, qwertyK said:

 

I believe President Trump will try and sort the issue, but with the NRA, I'm not sure. I don't think guns are soley to blame. This was a sawn off shotgun, not a AR-15 with a bump stock.  A very simple firearm that is easy to get even in my country. Mental health care needs to be improved and they should have placed this person on a watchlist. Classmates say he "always wore trenchcoats". That on its own should ring alarm bells after columbine. Another needless massacre that could have easily been prevented.

 

Mental health will never be properly addressed, 'cause no one gives a shit about the mentality ill. The government doesn't care, so why should the people?

 

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"always wore trenchcoats".  That on its own should ring alarm bells after columbine.

 

No, no it shouldn't ring alarm bells.  It's a coat that is meant to be worn.  If he had insisted on wearing full face masks/ski masks every day, that might be suspicious, but a coat?  What next, is anyone wearing a hoody with a hood up the next shooter as well?  Saying someone's clothes are a bad thing or an indication of ill intent is laughable.

 

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Another needless massacre that could have easily been prevented.

 

That's the thing, most bad things in life can be prevented, yet no one tries to.  Then again, could this really of been prevented?  No.  If someone wants to do something like this, they will find a way.  No amount of restrictions/laws can stop someone who is on a mission.

The shooter looks like a Nicholas Cruz 2.0. Why didn't someone report him? Look at the metro on what he posted. He wore Nazi memrobilla too,

My reaction when I heard about it: how surprising. Sad that it's happening so often I become jaded about it.

 

Also, shooter has a greek name. Inb4 Trump decides to ban all greeks from entering the country, because it's obviously the issue :^)

Definitely a tragedy. Maybe one day America will wake up and address the problems that our young adults are facing. Everyone always says, "Oh, they're just kids. They don't have any real struggles or issues going on." That's clearly not the case, and our young people are put into terrible circumstances in schools, then everyone's surprised when someone takes their own life or the life of someone else. 

48 minutes ago, Giordano said:

Remember when people said schools were safe, and you should feel safe?  Remember when we had drills for these types of incidents but always giggled and played them off jokingly because it never happened?  I do, and it feels like it was so long ago.  I really feel for these kids and the staff who now are forced to always think the worst and that their life may be over whenever something like this happen.

 

These are kids, their job is to go to school, be idiots, and get in INNOCENT trouble.  They should not have to deal with this shit, especially not seeing a bleeding or deceased classmate.

Exactly! I only finished University 2 years ago and I've never been worried but my cousin lives in FL and he says he always gets worried that someone will come into his school and shoot it up. It just isn't right for kids to think. Mental health should be evaluated more and, not saying this time, gun laws should be reevaluated too. It's horrible how so many innocent adults and children are being slaughtered.

Some sources saying the gunman had an AR-15. Not sure how accurate, but its coming from LE. I'm just glad the death toll isnt any higher tbh. 

 

http://alexkenworth.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/school-shootings-why-gun-control-isnt.html makes an interesting read

Update. He had a .38 revolver and a shotgun from his father

I honestly don't know what to say at this point, these shootings keep happening and there doesn't seem to be any real solution on how to stop them. 

There are real solutions to be fair, on many sides, the issue is the lack of conviction from politics to actually do something about it. To have guts for once in their lives and justify their  indecent salary by doing something useful for society, the society that elected them and put them in their office.

9 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Definitely a tragedy. Maybe one day America will wake up and address the problems that our young adults are facing. Everyone always says, "Oh, they're just kids. They don't have any real struggles or issues going on." That's clearly not the case, and our young people are put into terrible circumstances in schools, then everyone's surprised when someone takes their own life or the life of someone else. 

 

I think the reason adults use that excuse is because they don't want to admit that these are issues for kids.  They'd rather be blissfully unaware.

 

5 hours ago, Hystery said:

There are real solutions to be fair, on many sides, the issue is the lack of conviction from politics to actually do something about it. To have guts for once in their lives and justify their  indecent salary by doing something useful for society, the society that elected them and put them in their office.

 

I don't think there's much that can be done politically to prevent this.  If it's not with guns, it's with knives.  If not with knives, cars.  So on and so forth.  It really comes back to mental health, and bullying.

 

I haven't heard any updates or a motive, but bullying can be a pretty big reason as to why someone does something like this.  When I was younger and was bullied in school, there were a lot of times I wished one of my bullies would die, or that I could fight back.  Granted, I didn't think about killing him, but for some the bullying is just that bad.

 

Even back when I was in school, bullying was not properly handled.  You could tell the teachers, but generally all they did was slap the kid on the wrist and let him off with a verbal warning.  Very rarely was anything actually done.  To their credit, some schools are starting to crack down on it and are trying to help the victims of bullying, but it's still a very small percentage of schools.

11 hours ago, Giordano said:

I don't think there's much that can be done politically to prevent this.  If it's not with guns, it's with knives.  If not with knives, cars.  So on and so forth.  It really comes back to mental health, and bullying.

 

That was my point. There are many real solutions. Improving mental health care and actively fighting bullying in school is one of them. Yet, do you see lawmakers moving their asses to do something about it? Of course not, they're glued to their seat. They'll say "Oh it's tragic", "Oh it shouldn't happen anymore", but in the mean time, what do they do to actually make it not happen anymore? Nothing. Because they're more focused on getting reelected rather than actually solving issues.

 

That's why I wish all lawmakers and presidents could go for ONE mandate max, no reelection possible. That way, when they're elected, you know they'd do something because it has to be done, rather than focusing on the polls and how much they're liked to stay in their office longer.

Edited May 19, 20187 yr by Hystery

  This was horrid just like all of the other's but, I must say, you can enact all of the law's that you want, that you "THINK" make sence, and that you "THINK" will work, but the truth is that there is almost nothing that will stop evil people from doing evil thing's.

 

  On the mental health issue, it is not that people and Government (or should I say, our neighbors that we give power) don't care about the mental health issue, it is that no one knows what to do.  You are asking people in government that have absolutely NO IDEA what mental health is, to enact law's that will be subject to everyone in the U.S.  

 

And you may say, "Well Toe Bius, we have mental health professionals that know everything about mental health and they can point us and advise us in the correct direction on how to fix this."

 

  And sadly I must say that NO.  Some people may know how to classify and treat it but the people that are going to be chosen to help write the law's will only put there own interest into the bill just like everyone else does.  And you can't identify someone that one day just snaps.

 

  The only way that you can adapt and fix this is to have good security, which most school's apparently do not have, which is strange to me considering the school's that I went to growing up.  Courthouse shootings have decreased dramatically since law enforcement and metal detectors have been implemented into the courthouses.

 

  Sadly though, nothing will change and we shall continue to argue amd bicker within our societies with no truly good outcome.

1 hour ago, ToeBius said:

And you may say, "Well Toe Bius, we have mental health professionals that know everything about mental health and they can point us and advise us in the correct direction on how to fix this."

 

 And sadly I must say that NO.  Some people may know how to classify and treat it but the people that are going to be chosen to help write the law's will only put there own interest into the bill just like everyone else does. 

 

I mean... That's exactly how every other single law is made though. They call a bunch of experts, they gather data, analytics, the experts give a report to the lawmakers that will serve as a basis for a law. Why wouldn't it be possible for mental health? It's just an issue like another. Gather a bunch of doctors, psychiatrists and the likes, ask their opinion about it, what can be done, if you want to gather some security experts to know what can be done to make schools safer, you can do that as well, and boom, use their input to make a law best fitting what regarding what was collected.

Edited May 19, 20187 yr by Hystery

 

 

2 hours ago, Hystery said:

 

I mean... That's exactly how every other single law is made though. They call a bunch of experts, they gather data, analytics, the experts give a report to the lawmakers that will serve as a basis for a law. Why wouldn't it be possible for mental health? It's just an issue like another. Gather a bunch of doctors, psychiatrists and the likes, ask their opinion about it, what can be done, if you want to gather some security experts to know what can be done to make schools safer, you can do that as well, and boom, use their input to make a law best fitting what regarding what was collected.

  And what law has been created with the help of so called "EXPERT'S" that actually changed/helped everyone?  None.  All that you are asking these stupid politician's to do is create law's that will subjugate everyone and still not fix anything.  Look at the TSA, it is a cluster f*** that is broken, never worked, and is filled with criminals and corruption.  

 

  There are reasons that the U.S. is careful when we walk the line's of mental health, and just like I have mentioned in a previous post, and that is because they failed everyone in this country in the worst possible way.  

 

  The Government "CANNOT" do anything to benefit you or society and will only corrupt, and enslave you.  The best way to benefit society is to be good to other's, treat people the way you want to be treated.

 

  Here is the best way to secure these school's.

 

1) One way in and one way out.

2) "LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT'S" at the front of the school's door's

3) Metal detectors at the front door's.

 

  That is how all of the school's that I went to were, it is cheap and efficient in a way that law's wouldn't work. The only way that you could leave the locked door's would be if there was an emergency.  This was in 2001.

 

  Mental health is a difficult subject to fix, and the expert's are not law maker's as well as the law's aren't the answer.  Unless you would like to have mandatory mental evaluations every 6 month's.   Just stand up to bullies and protect your school's in the same way that you would protect your courthouse.  

 

  It is sad when innocents are killed or maimed but thinking that a mental health law will fix anything is wrong.  Start teaching people to have chivalry and to stand up against evil.

  The only way for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

13 minutes ago, ToeBius said:

 

 1) One way in and one way out.

2) "LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT'S" at the front of the school's door's

3) Metal detectors at the front door's.

 

 

Are you serious..? So the best way to prevent kids killing each other is to turn schools into a Wolf's Lair? Well, what if the shooter will move on to other targets, schools buses, hospital, theaters, malls, cafes, hotels... Cover everything with a barbed wire, put guards (robotic guards to prevent them going insane), authorized admission and commuting between your home base and your work camp in an APC? 

 

I'm not trying to be a smartass but you can't win a war by defensive measures. 

 

School shootings are almost exclusively a US phenomena and skyrocketed in the last 30+ years. There gotta be a reason for that. 

2 hours ago, Hastings said:

Are you serious..? So the best way to prevent kids killing each other is to turn schools into a Wolf's Lair? Well, what if the shooter will move on to other targets, schools buses, hospital, theaters, malls, cafes, hotels... Cover everything with a barbed wire, put guards (robotic guards to prevent them going insane), authorized admission and commuting between your home base and your work camp in an APC? 

 

I'm not trying to be a smartass but you can't win a war by defensive measures. 

 

School shootings are almost exclusively a US phenomena and skyrocketed in the last 30+ years. There gotta be a reason for that. 

  You are being a smartass and making these security measures sound excessive.  This is just basic security that would work.  It is not a wolf's lair, and it is preposterous for anyone to find these security measures wild.  I grew up like this and it worked.  I felt safe and knew I was safe, no one was getting into the school and going to kill anyone like that. 

 

  But hey fuck it, as you would have it, leave the doors wide open and let anyone come and go as they please.  No need to protect kid's, only judges and politicians should receive protection.     These kid's must not need protection or anything that may somehow infringe upon their rights.  The first thing that we must do is let politicians bicker and make no law that would help anyone and when that all fails maybe we can talk about putting a resource officer in with a walkie talkie and hope he can call the cops in time.  

 

  And plus, these are public school's, not private facilities like malls or cafes or hotels , ran by the government, they are supposed to teach your children while at the same time protect your children.  They have proven soo far to not be able to do either that well.  If you want the government to protect you then why do they focus on every other government facility but schools?

Edited May 20, 20187 yr by ToeBius
I wanted to add something

6 hours ago, ToeBius said:

There are reasons that the U.S. is careful when we walk the line's of mental health, and just like I have mentioned in a previous post, and that is because they failed everyone in this country in the worst possible way. 

 

Last time I checked, the US government was sitting in their rocking chair and gleefully watching as those with mental health are neglected. 

 

 

The best way to benefit society is to be good to other's, treat people the way you want to be treated.

 

Obviously, yes, we should treat others kindly, and most people do.  However, this saying is as wrong as can be. You can treat 100 people kindly and still run into assholes who could care less about your feelings.  I'm not saying people should be assholes to each other, but telling someone to treat another the way they want to be treated does not yield the results you desire, and could easily be a two way street.

 

Here is the best way to secure these school's.

 

1) One way in and one way out.

 

You do realize this would only exaggerate the problem in the event of an emergency, right?  Not to mention this is a huge violation of the fire code for a building like this.  This would never work, and you know what?  You help the shooter.  He's guarding the only way in, and now has literally every single person in the building as a hostage.  They may be able to break windows, but in situations like this, most people don't even consider that.  Also consider this, say there's an active shooter.  Everyone panics and begins running for the front door, the only door.  The shooter knew this was the only door, and is standing and waiting with his gun pointed.  What you're suggesting is a human meat grinder and would only help the perpetrator and harm everyone else.

 

 

2) "LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS" at the front of the school's door's.

 

I don't know if school resource officers are required by law or if it's a 'at the school's request' thing, so I'm going to base this response off both scenarios.

 

1)  The officer is required at the school.  You do understand that the SRO does a lot more than just stay at their desk and wait to be called, right?  When I was in school, our SRO was actively walking around and keeping an eye on things when he had free time.  You would be severely limiting his job if you required him to stand at the front door all day long.

 

2) Officers are not required to be at the school.  This would mean one particular officer now has to spend his entire time just standing at the front of a school entrance.  Is that something you'd happily do?  Would you be happy that you went through the academy just to end up being an over priced security guard?

 

 

  That is how all of the school's that I went to were, it is cheap and efficient in a way that law's wouldn't work. The only way that you could leave the locked door's would be if there was an emergency.  This was in 2001.

 

You and I grew up in very different places then.  Our school doors were locked except for the main door, and people freely came in and out.  There was a front door attendant/check in person, but it was lax. 

 

 

  Mental health is a difficult subject to fix, and the expert's are not law maker's as well as the law's aren't the answer.  Unless you would like to have mandatory mental evaluations every 6 month's.   Just stand up to bullies and protect your school's in the same way that you would protect your courthouse. 

 

I had to re-read this a few times to see if I read it right.  Your answer to standing up to bullying is by having armed police everywhere?  'Cause that's how it is for a courthouse.    Furthermore, the whole "just stand up to bullies" garbage doesn't work at all.  More times than not, standing up to them gets you in trouble and makes them madder.  I know this from personal experience. I was bullied a lot, told the teachers, tried to get things handled the right way and whadd'ya know?  Nothing was done except a slap on the wrist.  It is always chalked up as "kids being kids", and the adults don't seem to understand how bad it is, and that it goes far beyond kids being kids.

 

Anyone who ever says "just stand up to bullies", or anything that is deemed was minimizing the bullying, the bully, or the situation, either has never been bullied before, doesn't understand bullying, or was bullied but not to the same extent as others. I mean no offense by that, but speaking from my experience, minimizing the entire thing is just slapping the victim in the face and essentially saying "Grow the fuck up, it happens to everyone".  That is wrong!

 

  It is sad when innocents are killed or maimed but thinking that a mental health law will fix anything is wrong.  Start teaching people to have chivalry and to stand up against evil.

  The only way for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

 

Do you know this for certain?  Have you seen the future and know a mental health law would fail?  As it is, there are thousands of those mentally ill that are homeless and on the street.  Their family doesn't give a shit, the government doesn't give a shit.  No one does, it's why they are homeless and regarded as "filth" by most.  If we could get everyone on the same page, I believe we could actually help those that are mentally ill.  I believe we could prevent a tragedy and help someone who needs it.

 

Thanks for your quote, but this isn't a movie, a show, a book, anything fake.  This is real life, and that whole "evil to prevail" thing doesn't apply here.  At all.