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Disable WRN lights ELS

scorponok

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scorponok 56

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Hi

Does anyone know how to disable the warning lights when LSTG3 is activated? I have put DisableAtLstg3="false" and tried various other ways but it will always activate.

Any ideas appreciated

 

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<!-- ELS VEHICLE CONFIGURATION FILE -->
<vcfroot Description="British VCF" Author="ObsidianGames" >
    <!-- INTERFACE -->
    <INTERFACE>
        <LstgActivationType>euro</LstgActivationType>
        <DefaultSirenMode>standby</DefaultSirenMode>
        <InfoPanelHeaderColor>grey</InfoPanelHeaderColor>
        <InfoPanelButtonLightColor>orange</InfoPanelButtonLightColor>
    </INTERFACE>
    <!-- EXTRAS OVERRIDE AND ENV LIGHTING-->
    <EOVERRIDE>    
        <Extra01 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="blue" OffsetX="-0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra02 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="blue" OffsetX="-0.25" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra03 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="blue" OffsetX="0.25" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra04 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="blue" OffsetX="0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra05 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="blue" OffsetX="-0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra06 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="blue" OffsetX="0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra07 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="-0.40" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra08 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="0.00" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra09 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="0.40" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra10 IsElsControlled="true" />
        <Extra11 IsElsControlled="true" />
        <Extra12 IsElsControlled="true" />
    </EOVERRIDE>
    <!-- MISC -->
    <MISC>
        <VehicleIsSlicktop>false</VehicleIsSlicktop>
        <ArrowboardType>off</ArrowboardType>
        <UseSteadyBurnLights>false</UseSteadyBurnLights>
        <DfltSirenLtsActivateAtLstg>3</DfltSirenLtsActivateAtLstg>
        <Takedowns AllowUse="true" Mirrored="true" />
        <SceneLights AllowUse="true" IlluminateSidesOnly="true" />    
    </MISC>
    <!-- CRUISE -->
    <CRUISE>
        <DisableAtLstg3>true</DisableAtLstg3>
        <UseExtras Extra1="true" Extra2="false" Extra3="false" Extra4="true" />
    </CRUISE>
    <!-- AUX CORONAS -->
    <ACORONAS>
        <Headlights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
        <TailLights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="red" ColorR="red" />
        <IndicatorsF DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
        <IndicatorsB DfltPattern="0" ColorL="red" ColorR="red" />
        <ReverseLights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
    </ACORONAS>
    <!-- SOUNDS -->
    <SOUNDS>
        <MainHorn InterruptsSiren="true" AudioString="SIRENS_AIRHORN" />
        <ManTone1 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <ManTone2 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_2" />
        <SrnTone1 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <SrnTone2 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_2" />
        <SrnTone3 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_POLICE_WARNING" />
        <SrnTone4 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_AMBULANCE_WARNING" />
        <AuxSiren AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <PanicMde AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_POLICE_WARNING" />
    </SOUNDS>
    <!-- WRNL -->
    <WRNL LightingFormat="leds" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg3 Enabled="false" Pattern="01" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true" >
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </WRNL>
    <!-- PRML -->
    <PRML LightingFormat="leds" ExtrasActiveAtLstg2="1and4" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg2 Enabled="true" Pattern="56" />
            <Lstg3 Enabled="true" Pattern="56" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="true" Pattern="117" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="true" Pattern="38" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="true" Pattern="53" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="true" Pattern="80" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="true" Pattern="89" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="true" Pattern="139" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="true" Pattern="56" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true">
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </PRML>
    <!-- SECL -->
    <SECL LightingFormat="leds" DisableAtLstg3="true" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg1 Enabled="false" Pattern="6" />
            <Lstg2 Enabled="false" Pattern="6" />
            <Lstg3 Enabled="false" Pattern="6" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true" >
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </SECL>
</vcfroot>

If that helps

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Hey mate

That did the trick thanks for that! :thumbsup:

Havent been all that well and been trying to complete a few music projects I been working on. I got a couple of skins and ideas I been messing with so I'll try and get a few skins out maybe the end of the week.

Hope you been good

 

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19 minutes ago, scorponok said:

Hey mate

That did the trick thanks for that! :thumbsup:

Havent been all that well and been trying to complete a few music projects I been working on. I got a couple of skins and ideas I been messing with so I'll try and get a few skins out maybe the end of the week.

Hope you been good

 

Yeah good, I have finished my exams. Sounds good. I may start uploading gameplay on my YT channel at some point.

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On 5/23/2017 at 5:01 PM, TheHC09 said:

I often find you can disable them by setting the WrnL to:  Lstg3 Enabled="true" Pattern="2"

 

Didn't work for me. Any other ideas perhaps? I really hate it when the traffic advisor lights up at stage three automatically.

 

Original VCF:

 

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<!-- ELS VEHICLE CONFIGURATION FILE -->
<vcfroot Description="PAPD by t0y" Author="Luxart" >
    <!-- INTERFACE -->
    <INTERFACE>
        <LstgActivationType>auto</LstgActivationType>
        <DefaultSirenMode>standby</DefaultSirenMode>
        <InfoPanelHeaderColor>grey</InfoPanelHeaderColor>
        <InfoPanelButtonLightColor>orange</InfoPanelButtonLightColor>
    </INTERFACE>
    <!-- EXTRAS OVERRIDE AND ENV LIGHTING-->
    <EOVERRIDE>    
        <Extra01 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="-0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra02 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="-0.25" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra03 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="blue" OffsetX="0.25" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra04 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra05 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="-0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra06 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra07 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="amber" OffsetX="-0.40" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra08 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="amber" OffsetX="0.00" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra09 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="amber" OffsetX="0.40" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra10 IsElsControlled="true" />
        <Extra11 IsElsControlled="true" />
        <Extra12 IsElsControlled="true" />
    </EOVERRIDE>
    <!-- MISC -->
    <MISC>
        <VehicleIsSlicktop>false</VehicleIsSlicktop>
        <ArrowboardType>off</ArrowboardType>
        <UseSteadyBurnLights>false</UseSteadyBurnLights>
        <DfltSirenLtsActivateAtLstg>3</DfltSirenLtsActivateAtLstg>
        <Takedowns AllowUse="true" Mirrored="true" />
        <SceneLights AllowUse="false" IlluminateSidesOnly="false" />    
    </MISC>
    <!-- CRUISE -->
    <CRUISE>
        <DisableAtLstg3>true</DisableAtLstg3>
        <UseExtras Extra1="false" Extra2="false" Extra3="false" Extra4="false" />
    </CRUISE>
    <!-- AUX CORONAS -->
    <ACORONAS>
        <Headlights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
        <TailLights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="red" ColorR="red" />
        <IndicatorsF DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
        <IndicatorsB DfltPattern="0" ColorL="red" ColorR="red" />
        <ReverseLights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
    </ACORONAS>
    <!-- SOUNDS -->
    <SOUNDS>
        <MainHorn InterruptsSiren="true" AudioString="SIRENS_AIRHORN" />
        <ManTone1 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <ManTone2 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_2" />
        <SrnTone1 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <SrnTone2 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_2" />
        <SrnTone3 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_POLICE_WARNING" />
        <SrnTone4 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_AMBULANCE_WARNING" />
        <AuxSiren AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <PanicMde AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_POLICE_WARNING" />
    </SOUNDS>
    <!-- WRNL -->
    <WRNL LightingFormat="leds" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg3 Enabled="true" Pattern="20" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true" >
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </WRNL>
    <!-- PRML -->
    <PRML LightingFormat="dro2" ExtrasActiveAtLstg2="2and3" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg2 Enabled="true" Pattern="36" />
            <Lstg3 Enabled="true" Pattern="36" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true">
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </PRML>
    <!-- SECL -->
    <SECL LightingFormat="traf" DisableAtLstg3="false" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg1 Enabled="true" Pattern="13" />
            <Lstg2 Enabled="true" Pattern="13" />
            <Lstg3 Enabled="true" Pattern="13" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true" >
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </SECL>
</vcfroot>

 

 

Also, is there any possibility to "unlock" the changing of the pattern in-game? Some vehicles don't allow it. I hate it when modders lock it so you have to use their pattern. -.-

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Didn't work for me. Any other ideas perhaps? I really hate it when the traffic advisor lights up at stage three automatically.

 

Original VCF:

 

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<!-- ELS VEHICLE CONFIGURATION FILE -->
<vcfroot Description="PAPD by t0y" Author="Luxart" >
    <!-- INTERFACE -->
    <INTERFACE>
        <LstgActivationType>auto</LstgActivationType>
        <DefaultSirenMode>standby</DefaultSirenMode>
        <InfoPanelHeaderColor>grey</InfoPanelHeaderColor>
        <InfoPanelButtonLightColor>orange</InfoPanelButtonLightColor>
    </INTERFACE>
    <!-- EXTRAS OVERRIDE AND ENV LIGHTING-->
    <EOVERRIDE>    
        <Extra01 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="-0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra02 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="-0.25" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra03 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="blue" OffsetX="0.25" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra04 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra05 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="-0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra06 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="red" OffsetX="0.70" OffsetY="-0.20" OffsetZ="0.50" />
        <Extra07 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="amber" OffsetX="-0.40" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra08 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="amber" OffsetX="0.00" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra09 IsElsControlled="true" AllowEnvLight="true" Color="amber" OffsetX="0.40" OffsetY="-0.80" OffsetZ="0.40" />
        <Extra10 IsElsControlled="true" />
        <Extra11 IsElsControlled="true" />
        <Extra12 IsElsControlled="true" />
    </EOVERRIDE>
    <!-- MISC -->
    <MISC>
        <VehicleIsSlicktop>false</VehicleIsSlicktop>
        <ArrowboardType>off</ArrowboardType>
        <UseSteadyBurnLights>false</UseSteadyBurnLights>
        <DfltSirenLtsActivateAtLstg>3</DfltSirenLtsActivateAtLstg>
        <Takedowns AllowUse="true" Mirrored="true" />
        <SceneLights AllowUse="false" IlluminateSidesOnly="false" />    
    </MISC>
    <!-- CRUISE -->
    <CRUISE>
        <DisableAtLstg3>true</DisableAtLstg3>
        <UseExtras Extra1="false" Extra2="false" Extra3="false" Extra4="false" />
    </CRUISE>
    <!-- AUX CORONAS -->
    <ACORONAS>
        <Headlights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
        <TailLights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="red" ColorR="red" />
        <IndicatorsF DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
        <IndicatorsB DfltPattern="0" ColorL="red" ColorR="red" />
        <ReverseLights DfltPattern="0" ColorL="white" ColorR="white" />
    </ACORONAS>
    <!-- SOUNDS -->
    <SOUNDS>
        <MainHorn InterruptsSiren="true" AudioString="SIRENS_AIRHORN" />
        <ManTone1 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <ManTone2 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_2" />
        <SrnTone1 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <SrnTone2 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_2" />
        <SrnTone3 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_POLICE_WARNING" />
        <SrnTone4 AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_AMBULANCE_WARNING" />
        <AuxSiren AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_SIREN_1" />
        <PanicMde AllowUse="true" AudioString="VEHICLES_HORNS_POLICE_WARNING" />
    </SOUNDS>
    <!-- WRNL -->
    <WRNL LightingFormat="leds" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg3 Enabled="true" Pattern="20" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true" >
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </WRNL>
    <!-- PRML -->
    <PRML LightingFormat="dro2" ExtrasActiveAtLstg2="2and3" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg2 Enabled="true" Pattern="36" />
            <Lstg3 Enabled="true" Pattern="36" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true">
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </PRML>
    <!-- SECL -->
    <SECL LightingFormat="traf" DisableAtLstg3="false" >
        <PresetPatterns>
            <Lstg1 Enabled="true" Pattern="13" />
            <Lstg2 Enabled="true" Pattern="13" />
            <Lstg3 Enabled="true" Pattern="13" />
        </PresetPatterns>
        <ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone1 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone2 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone3 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <SrnTone4 Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <PanicMde Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
            <OutOfVeh Enabled="false" Pattern="0" />
        </ForcedPatterns>
        <ScanPatternCustomPool Enabled="false" Sequential="true" >
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
            <Pattern>0</Pattern>
        </ScanPatternCustomPool>
    </SECL>
</vcfroot>

 

 

Also, is there any possibility to "unlock" the changing of the pattern in-game? Some vehicles don't allow it. I hate it when modders lock it so you have to use their pattern. -.-

Yes there is, hope I'm not too late

 

Anyway, for anyone coming back to this as of now

 

In the VCF you'll see 

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<ForcedPatterns>
            <MainHorn Enabled="true" Pattern="140" />

 

Set the "true" to false and you'll be able to change it like you would with any other car

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