On 07/03/2017 at 0:48 AM, Schecter004 said:

Well, seriously, in the pussy whipped country i live, you'll get in huge trouble if you kill someone on duty!

No matter if he was armed or not.

There're endless stories of police officers who killed an aggressor in self defense.

And what's the result?

He, or she gets ripped of from our left driven media.

Maybe he or she will lose their job for a justifiable killing.

And we nearly don't have such trigger happy cops like in the US!

total nonsense, the justice system in case of self defence with knife wielding attackers almost all the time doesn't press charges here in Germany, you actually get trained to shoot at suspects armed with a knife in self defence, and that means body shots, not shots to arms and / or legs, and apart from left parties like the green party, nobody seems to have a problem with it, it's just that they scream the loudest

vor einer Stunde schrieb Coltsmith:

total nonsense, the justice system in case of self defence with knife wielding attackers almost all the time doesn't press charges here in Germany, you actually get trained to shoot at suspects armed with a knife in self defence, and that means body shots, not shots to arms and / or legs, and apart from left parties like the green party, nobody seems to have a problem with it, it's just that they scream the loudest

Doesn't press charges?

Well buddy, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

18 hours ago, Schecter004 said:

Doesn't press charges?

Well buddy, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

well I have first hand experience, what do you have?

Edited April 7, 20179 yr by Coltsmith

vor 24 Minuten schrieb Coltsmith:

well I have first hand experience, what do you have?

Same. Which Bundesland?

On 07/04/2017 at 7:08 PM, Schecter004 said:

Same. Which Bundesland?

the shittiest of them all... Berlin

no lol that's what tasers are for....we have high homicide rate among cops in the us then any other country because to many times cops "fear for there life" and result in unnecessary deaths and a good reason why people hate and don't trust cops

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Coltsmith:

the shittiest of them all... Berlin

Okay, you've won! ; )

 

9 hours ago, The Knight said:

no lol that's what tasers are for....we have high homicide rate among cops in the us then any other country because to many times cops "fear for there life" and result in unnecessary deaths and a good reason why people hate and don't trust cops

 

And explain to me what exactly an officer should do under the predicament that a taser is not an available option? Are you aware of the fact that some departments do not have tasers?

20 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

And explain to me what exactly an officer should do under the predicament that a taser is not an available option? Are you aware of the fact that some departments do not have tasers?

 

Or how Tasers have nowhere near a 100% effectiveness rate?

 

Never mind the fact that you do not use less-lethal force (Taser) against a deadly weapon. (Knife)

 

But it's obvious from his post he already has made up his mind in regards to this topic.

Tasers also might not be effective to a person that is on mind altering substances or other drugs.

As I have talked to many cops, the point is to neutralize the threat. Not to shoot the threat in the leg, or any limbs. Tasers are another thing to this. A taser first off is never 100% effective to all people. Their are plenty of variables, (clothes, drugs, weapons, body size, etc). Tasers are more effective when the two prongs are farther away from each other to be able to bring the threat to the ground. Now, people think that you can just shoot a taser at someone with a knife. Well they are right, you can... if you want to take the chance of the suspect stabbing themselves when they fall (if they do). Tasers will intercept all these body movements that are being sent to the brain, making joints stop working and you will most likely stiffen up. A weapon is a weapon and should be treated as so.

On 17.04.2017 at 5:18 PM, LAPDOfficerBraddock said:

Now, people think that you can just shoot a taser at someone with a knife. Well they are right, you can... if you want to take the chance of the suspect stabbing themselves when they fall (if they do).

Guess that would be a risk only in the US or another country where people like suing the state, because apart from negative court decisions and damages, what's the matter? It's not like shooting the suspect is better than stabbing, considering that US cops aim for the center of mass.

 

In my country they do things differently partially because they have no tasers, partially because the DA would be glad to lock a cop up if he kills a suspect with a slightest procedural violation. So, legs and arms shots (if the danger is not imminent, that is)

On ‎4‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 8:06 PM, TheDivineHustle said:

And explain to me what exactly an officer should do under the predicament that a taser is not an available option? Are you aware of the fact that some departments do not have tasers?

I understand that you are a boot licker but they are not the most liked group in the us for this reason...they shoot first and ask questions later and they are never held accountable and they think they are above the law and not only that they have no regard for the constitution so with that said if the suspect is actually going to stab an officer then lethal force is justified but if hes just walking and not making any threatening gestures then he can use that taser if he doesn't comply, the cops in the united states are getting out of control and the statistics prove that compared to other countries

8 hours ago, The Knight said:

I understand that you are a boot licker but they are not the most liked group in the us for this reason...they shoot first and ask questions later and they are never held accountable and they think they are above the law and not only that they have no regard for the constitution so with that said if the suspect is actually going to stab an officer then lethal force is justified but if hes just walking and not making any threatening gestures then he can use that taser if he doesn't comply, the cops in the united states are getting out of control and the statistics prove that compared to other countries

Let me tell you something, friend. 

 

I cannot take your argument seriously because you are using generalization. "They, they, they" is what you consistently start your (run on) sentence with—as though you've personally been acquainted with every single police officer in America. 

 

While it's clear that you have a difficult time understanding the concept of generalization, it's also apparent that you don't pay attention, so I'll repeat what I said:

 

And explain to me what exactly an officer should do under the predicament that a taser is not an available option? Are you aware of the fact that some departments do not have tasers?

 

You suggest using a taser if the individual isn't being actively threatening to the public, which is a complete dodge if my point. What if there is NO taser?

 

 

Edited May 4, 20178 yr by TheDivineHustle

lol @ "boot licker."

 

Usually when an argument starts with a personal attack, I know better than to even bother...

15 minutes ago, TylerF said:

lol @ "boot licker."

 

Usually when an argument starts with a personal attack, I know better than to even bother...

It's entertaining to me, I actually spit up my Sprite reading the first few sentences. May have to get a new keyboard here after that. 

 

The biggest thing that gets to me is when someone makes a completely wrong and invalid point, and then goes to bed that night thinking that they're right. That's why I respond to everyone, because if you're factually wrong then you need to know that you're wrong. 

It's easier to understand the general justification for deadly force, rather than ask "Can you shoot a guy with a knife...or shovel...or screwdriver".  Deadly force can be used against a suspect for 'any behavior which has caused, or imminently threatens to cause death or great bodily harm to you or another'.  

 

So...a guy with a knife a football field away, probably not.  A guy with a knife about 20-30 feet away...probably.  (Training in our business is moving away from that 21 foot rule by the way) 

19 hours ago, SpiderCenturion said:

 Deadly force can be used against a suspect for 'any behavior which has caused, or imminently threatens to cause death or great bodily harm to you or another'.  

Is that a statutory definition or from a policy of a particular PD? 

 

By the way, how the UOF is regulated in the US? Is there a law at least on a state's level or it all goes down to court practice and policies of departments? 

Here's what I don't get. Patrol officers in the US have guns, officers in the UK do not. Cops in the US have guns because we have a ridiculously well armed populace, and cops in the UK dont have guns because guns are very uncommon.

 

But when it comes to knives, the logic doesn't apply. Both countries have knives, and crazy/dangerous suspects that weild them. Why is it that OUR cops have to use deadly force, while cops in the UK handle those situations without needing to? We should expect more restraint and patience from our cops, instead of just using deadly force simply because they have it. 

You act like all Law Enforcement in the United States is itching to shoot somebody.

 

" Why is it that OUR cops have to use deadly force..." Really? Speaking in generalizations much? Out of the ~800,000 LEOs in the United States, and the tens of thousands of LE contacts that happen on a daily basis, that's an awfully ridiculous statement.

 

Besides, this is a good example of a goat rope. The officers here failing to use deadly force when presented with a deadly force scenario not only puts them and their co-workers as severe risk, but the public at large as well by failing to sufficiently and quickly stop the threat. If they can't protect themselves, they cannot protect the public. Also, the actions and reactions presented by the officers show a lack of training and mindset in dealing with a deadly force situation.

 

Not saying all UK Law Enforcement is like this, however it's a good counter to the broad claim of " while cops in the UK handle those situations without needing to? "