I just want to begin by saying this video is extremely violent and shows things that very may (And hopefully will) piss some of you guys off... (Pissed at the fucking suspect) I may say some things in a rude or aggressive manner and by all means I goddamn mean it! I just watched this video and my blood is boiling. My heart is pounding. My head is throbbing. My soul is weakened. I urge young people, weak people to not watch the video that will be linked at the end but instead (And also for the strong hearted people) watch the second link (It'll be the very last link) it's from the new up in coming facebook page that's pro-police, ran by police. 6 minutes.

To begin the actual subject about I want to give some basic information about the situation and what all happened leading up to the beating and assault of the Peace Officer.

Last November  Brooklyn Park Police Officer,  Sean Hyman stopped a white vehicle for a noise compliant. He (The officer) learns the driver, Carr (The Suspect), is wanted on a felony theft warrant. “He asked Carr to step out of the vehicle and place his hands behind his back,” In the process of hooking the cuffs the suspect throws some punchs at the officer. The two then go out of view of the dashcam (Kinda, you can see Carr, the suspect's head and hands punching trying to fight the officer) and the officer trying to scream to the citizens nearby, yelling "help". "He's going for my gun". "Stop!" "Help!". The Citizens don't leap into action, instead they call dispatch and let them know an officer is being assaulted. (I applaud them for atleast calling dispatch so officers can go Code 3, but atleast fight... Two is better than one. Remember people, once that officer is dead what's to stop him from using the officer's gun against the bystanders?) Officers at first are unaware of what's going on, they only heard that an officer needs help and couldn't hear anything else. Towards the end of the video you can see the officer's radio is hanging off which is why he couldn't tell them what was going on. (for real LEOs or future LEOs reading this... Get a MicLoop. It will literally save your life.) Dispatch then lets officers know that he's being assaulted, the officers then arrive on scene but the most stunning thing is that the suspect doesn't stop... Instead he tries to act like he's the victim... Note that he literally still has the officer in a head lock while saying "Stop" and the officer is telling the other officers arriving "to shoot him". (And I won't lie. I'll be completely honest. I think that piece of shit should get a bullet in the skull rather then the maximum sentence of "20 years"...) The officer arriving, deploys a taser on the suspect and then two other officers arrive on scene and they all (All four, including the one who just got assaulted) take down the suspect. Keep in mind, the officer also fired his weapon in the attempt to hit the suspect and stop the assault, but instead misses so he ejects the clip (Noting also that the suspect already had kept going for his gun multiple times). And he ejects his clip from the pistol so that It can't be used against him by the suspect... 

I truly am pissed from what I watched, and how I heard the suspect could only get a max of 20 years... I love law enforcement and hope to be a peace officer however this society we currently live in may make that impossible... Make policing be a crime rather than a hero, and make criminals be the heroes... 

The link to the video of the officer being assaulted. Note viewer discretion is advised; 

 

 

Second link I promised. 6 minutes. This I urge EVERYONE to watch. This is directed by a actual LEO and the page (6 minutes) is ran by multiple LEOs... 

 

All I have to say is that that video is intense, pretty scary for that officer I'm sure.

Honestly... it's not that violent. I mean, this kind of thing is more common than you think, don't get all upset over it like that.

Those, are violent and kinda shocking.

This is exactly why officers need to be trained to handle combat situations like this. @MikoFiticus linked a video on one of my past status updates about how a LVMPD was able to successfully detain a suspect he was dealing with until backup arrived. This is a very similar predicament except the officer clearly has no training, and this is the result. He gets his ass pretty much handed to him. This could have gotten really ugly really fast and I'm glad that the officer is OK. 

12 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

This is exactly why officers need to be trained to handle combat situations like this. @MikoFiticus linked a video on one of my past status updates about how a LVMPD was able to successfully detain a suspect he was dealing with until backup arrived. This is a very similar predicament except the officer clearly has no training, and this is the result. He gets his ass pretty much handed to him. This could have gotten really ugly really fast and I'm glad that the officer is OK. 

True however it appears that the department is a much smaller department... I live in a moderate city, and our officers have excellent training however back down in my hometown which is a roughly 7k (Small) town. I very much doubt the officers would know how to handle a situation like this... It comes down to how the department teaches things, and how officers are able to handle such situations. For LVMPD I'm sure with how the officers have to deal with citizens they'd know how to handle situations like this however in smaller towns like brooklyn park (Where this incident occurred) They're more relaxed with citizens since they don't really think much is going to happen and I honestly understand that. The officer originally pulled the guy over for a simple noise complaint then found out he had a felony warrant for theft... THEFT so the officer probably thought He'd just give up and go to jail. 

Thank god the officer is alright though.

P.S. I just the max sentence they're going for is 10 years... Ugh.

18 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

P.S. I just the max sentence they're going for is 10 years... Ugh.

What exactly is wrong with that?

Just now, Albo1125 said:

What exactly is wrong with that?

The filthy piece of shit should get wayyy more years. You can literally see him choking, beating the officer. Trying to kill him yet he only gets 10 years? That's a shitty sentence in the eyes of the law. The guy doesn't even stop when the other officers show up. He still has his arm around the officer's neck when the other officer ran up.

1 minute ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

The filthy piece of shit should get wayyy more years. You can literally see him choking, beating the officer. Trying to kill him yet he only gets 10 years? That's a shitty sentence in the eyes of the law. The guy doesn't even stop when the other officers show up. He still has his arm around the officer's neck when the other officer ran up.

What sentence would you give him?

1 minute ago, Albo1125 said:

What sentence would you give him?

Personally, I'd give him a bullet to the skull but legally & reasonably I'd give him at the least 20 years... Least. I'd probably go for 35. I'm not sure if you watched that video... Cause if you did, you'd understand why. Or maybe you're not really into law enforcement or know much about it but officers sure as fuck don't want someone to only get 10 years for attempting to kill a fellow officer. That just shows criminals that they can beat up an officer, attempt to kill them and go for their gun and get a simple slap on the risk. 

15 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

I'm not sure if you watched that video

I did.

15 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

Or maybe you're not really into law enforcement or know much about it

Umm...?  

15 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

but officers sure as fuck don't want someone to only get 10 years for attempting to kill a fellow officer.

That's not up to them. 10 years is definitely no slap on the wrist. It may seem like a 'low' number on paper, but in reality it's a very, very long time.

20 years is over the top for this. Grievous bodily harm would have to have been caused for that to be justified. 35/Life would only be justified if the officer had been killed. And a bullet...well, no comment.

I personally think 10-15 years would be appropriate here, although he'll probably get less than that. No weapons were used and as far as I can tell no grievous bodily harm was inflicted.

Edited May 20, 20169 yr by Albo1125

10 minutes ago, Albo1125 said:

20 years is over the top for this. Grievous bodily harm would have to have been caused for that to be justified. 35/Life would only be justified if the officer had been killed. And a bullet...well, no comment.

I personally think 10-15 years would be appropriate here, although he'll probably get less than that. No weapons were used and as far as I can tell no grievous bodily harm was inflicted.

I'm currently talking to one of the admins from 6 minutes Facebook Page who is a current Washington LEO (Washington state, can't specific where) And as soon as I linked the video and he watched it his blood was boiling from it too. Officers and people who want to become officers get mad whenever they see these kinds of things... 

20 years is hardly 'over the top'. Weapons were used, And the officer would of been killed more than likely if he wouldn't of done some of the things he did. Oh and let's not forget the warrant that could easily be apart of his sentence but who knows honestly.

Let's recap for learning purposes. Felony theft warrants (Usually some are just fines while convicted criminals. Usually ones who have a more violent past, can do up to 20 years for those warrants) was in the process of being cuffed when he starts hitting and knocking around an officer. The officer is literally shown being (Attempted) choked out by the suspect. you can see the suspect hit the officers SO MANY times, going for his gun (And thank god for the two step holsters otherwise he probably would of got the gun) and he doesn't even stop when officers show up... I'm not going to disagree or agree anymore with you because I doubt you'd understand where I'm coming from or what I'm trying to get at but what I will finally say is that remember if this had been you or another person/officer you know, you would want the POS locked up for years upon years wouldn't you? Criminals are getting away with things they wouldn't of even thought of doing 20 years ago. 

2 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

Weapons were used

Please specify this? I didn't see that.

2 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

I'm currently talking to one of the admins from 6 minutes Facebook Page who is a current Washington LEO (Washington state, can't specific where) And as soon as I linked the video and he watched it his blood was boiling from it too. Officers and people who want to become officers get mad whenever they see these kinds of things... 

I definitely don't condone the suspect's behaviour. I'm simply stating that other cops do not determine the suspect's sentence, and rightfully so: as you've said they're extremely biased because the victim is a colleague of theirs.

4 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

remember if this had been you or another person/officer you know, you would want the POS locked up for years upon years wouldn't you?

This can't stand up as a valid argument. Although, I do believe 10-15 years definitely is "years upon years." 

8 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

Oh and let's not forget the warrant that could easily be apart of his sentence but who knows honestly.

I'm not taking that into consideration as I don't have sufficient information about it.

9 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

20 years is hardly 'over the top'.

It is! This is the maximum sentence available for such a crime in your area (or so you originally said). Although this is a serious offence, it could have been a lot worse.

10 minutes ago, Albo1125 said:

Please specify this? I didn't see that.

I definitely don't condone the suspect's behaviour. I'm simply stating that other cops do not determine the suspect's sentence, and rightfully so: as you've said they're extremely biased because the victim is a colleague of theirs.

This can't stand up as a valid argument. Although, I do believe 10-15 years definitely is "years upon years." 

I'm not taking that into consideration as I don't have sufficient information about it.

It is! This is the maximum sentence available for such a crime in your area (or so you originally said). Although this is a serious offence, it could have been a lot worse.

The Officer's firearm... The guy keeps trying to go for it, It's fired once by the officer in an attempt to stop the attack and then the officer ejects the clip so it can't be used on himself... Because he knows if the guy could get his gun he would use it on him. This wasn't an attempt to get away, this was an attempt to kill the officer. If the guy wanted to run he would of just clocked the officer in the face and ran instead he hit the officer, kept hitting, and didn't stop hitting until he was tasered. He certainly should get attempted murder. 

And the officers responding didn't know that the officer used his gun in an attempt to stop the attack... Making it be deadly force, had they knew that the officer made the decision to use deadly force it could easily have changed from a taser to a gun. They only knew that an officer was being assaulted which could just be a punch to the face and the suspect running away. 

It very well is a valid argument. I know some high school students from my school who stole his neighbor's car, broke into multiple houses, was drunk & driving (Him and his friends stole alcohol from the houses and drank it) They also smoked some weed. I think last I heard, he had 10 years. This is an attempted murder on a LEO.

This isn't the maximum sentence in my area. I don't know what it is. All I know is I heard that they were going for the max charge on the guy which would originally supposed to be 20 years but now I'm hearing its 10. You think attempted murder should only be 10 years? 

As I said, I truly doubt you have any law enforcement experience or much knowledge towards it if you don't understand how bad this could of ended and how little 10 years is. I'm dropping the conversation, you're hurting my brain with ignorance. 

9 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

Because he knows if the guy could get his gun he would use it on him. This wasn't an attempt to get away, this was an attempt to kill the officer. If the guy wanted to run he would of just clocked the officer in the face and ran instead he hit the officer, kept hitting, and didn't stop hitting until he was tasered. He certainly should get attempted murder. 

I agree, although it cannot be said for sure the suspect would have used the gun on the officer. From the footage, however, it is crystal clear that the suspect in fact did not use a weapon in the attack on the officer. However, he did attempt to choke him and strike him to the head multiple times, indicating an attempted murder charge would be justified.

15 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

Making it be deadly force, had they knew that the officer made the decision to use deadly force it could easily have changed from a taser to a gun.

 

Taser was definitely the way to go here. Why would you shoot the suspect if he's unarmed and there are more than enough officers to bring him under control? Had they done so, the officers would definitely have been under serious scrutiny, and rightfully so - courts deal out the punishments, officers bring suspects before the courts. The taser deployment worked out perfectly.

 

12 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

It very well is a valid argument. I know some high school students from my school who stole his neighbor's car, broke into multiple houses, was drunk & driving (Him and his friends stole alcohol from the houses and drank it) They also smoked some weed. I think last I heard, he had 10 years. This is an attempted murder on a LEO.

Your argument was trying to play on another's feelings, asking them how they would have sentenced had it been them. I don't see how some high school students on a crime spree support this argument. 

However, the case of high school students on a crime spree is completely incomparable to this - they're very, very different types of crime and is a completely separate case compared to this one.

19 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

This isn't the maximum sentence in my area. I don't know what it is. All I know is I heard that they were going for the max charge on the guy which would originally supposed to be 20 years but now I'm hearing its 10. You think attempted murder should only be 10 years? 

Fair enough, your statements made it appear that 20 years was the maximum sentence. And in this case, yes, I think the suspect should be charged with attempted murder and be sentenced to a custodial sentence of 10-15 years.

4 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

As I said, I truly doubt you have any law enforcement experience or much knowledge towards it if you don't understand how bad this could of ended and how little 10 years is. I'm dropping the conversation, you're hurting my brain with ignorance. 

I do see how bad it could have ended had the suspect managed to get the gun and taken the decision to use it on the officer.

Although I understand that sentencing & assaults may be a touchy subject for you to discuss, there is no need to attempt to undermine and belittle me personally (and if you still do, do some research). As a matter of fact, this just shows a lack of further solid argumentation. We are having a simple, friendly discussion and we both appear to have a different opinion - I'm approaching this purely from a legal point of view.

3 minutes ago, Albo1125 said:

Taser was definitely the way to go here. Why would you shoot the suspect if he's unarmed

Honestly I stopped reading after this... As I said, ignorance and stupidity. I'm not going to reply or post anymore to you. Good luck on your life and endeavors

Just now, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

Honestly I stopped reading after this... As I said, ignorance and stupidity. I'm not going to reply or post anymore to you. Good luck on your life and endeavors

In that case, read the last part of my last post. Applies even more now! 

Good luck to you too.

I asked the Washington LEO what he would since he's a legal Peace Officer and clearly knows more than more and he said he would charge him with 1st degree assault (Which 1st degree would be the worst degree, and 1st degree assault would be like almost killing someone), assault on a police officer, Attempted Murder of a police officer (Which the single Attempted Murder of a Police officer alone is 15 years)

9 minutes ago, Albo1125 said:

Although I understand that sentencing & assaults may be a touchy subject for you to discuss, there is no need to attempt to undermine and belittle me personally (and if you still do, do some research). As a matter of fact, this just shows a lack of further solid argumentation. We are having a simple, friendly discussion and we both appear to have a different opinion - I'm approaching this purely from a legal point of view.

True, My apologizes. As I said I get heated and pissed off on stuff like this... Especially when this could easily be me in 5 years (Possibly being assaulted and or killed in the line of duty) I'm approaching this from the point of view of someone who would be a police officer or is becoming a police officer. Legally I'm sure you do whatever you do, but policing wise It'd be alot different on how things are handled. In court you may think well the officer could just use a taser while in reality you're partner/friend is being choked out possibly in the process of being killed and you want to stop the attack ASAP. A Taser could do it or it couldn't. Tasers are a 50/50 in reality, legally they do magic but in reality it can change. You need to be a certain amount of feet away, you have to make sure it hits their skin and not their clothing. (Meaning it breaks and goes into the skin, and not into his jacket or whatever)

 

As I said, legally you can sit back in the chair and think and undermine anything and everything you want about the officer and how it can be handled and such but in reality you don't truly know how you would handle it or what would happen. Back in the day, Criminals knew once they were caught they stopped or in rare cases they would assault an officer too... But that never nearly happens as much as now. Criminals knew what other officers would do if they assault one. (The old saying, bring the suspect out back and have a couple of officers come out with batons and help "clean his jacket up" or something similar) But now, everyone and everything is or has changed. Criminals do what they want, aren't afraid of what can or will happen to them. Officers don't have as much authority or freewill to set as an example that assaulting an officer will at very least get you a broken nose. 

4 hours ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

(The old saying, bring the suspect out back and have a couple of officers come out with batons and help "clean his jacket up" or something similar) But now, everyone and everything is or has changed.

Well, I don't know for you, but personally, I'm glad things have changed for this and I'm glad to know officers don't 'clean people's jackets up' anymore with nightsticks and the like. That's not their jobs.

9 minutes ago, Hystery said:

I'm glad to know officers don't 'clean people's jackets up' anymore with nightsticks and the like. That's not their jobs.

Yeah and neither is being killed because some jackass was going to jail for something simple & dumb. 'clean people's jackets up' may not be the exact term but still the idea was to set an example so people knew that if you killed a cop you'd atleast get a beating... It may not have been the most ethical or best thing to do but it did keep police lives from being killed. Now half the entire fucking society hates cops and says dumb shit they hear from the media to them. Yeah okay they're job is "To Protect & Serve" and perhaps they would lay their life down for anothers but that's the point... They'd get killed to save another life. Not to be killed just for no reason, just because someone didn't like them, just because some idiot had warrants and the officer was doing their actual job. It's interesting how we're on a website that's mainly based around law enforcement yet alot of you guys don't truly understand that an officer does what they can to stay alive. To protect others.

4 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

Yeah and neither is being killed because some jackass was going to jail for something simple & dumb. 'clean people's jackets up' may not be the exact term but still the idea was to set an example so people knew that if you killed a cop you'd atleast get a beating... It may not have been the most ethical or best thing to do but it did keep police lives from being killed.

No, it didn't keep police lives from being killed. Cops died since police was created, that's a dangerous job. Beating up a suspect is not going to prevent another suspect from attempting to kill an officer, it's just going to increase tensions between civil society and police departments, that's all. When a guy decides he will resist the law, he will resist the law, no matter if he knows he'll receive a beating for it or not.

6 minutes ago, LCSO Sheriff Jester said:

It's interesting how we're on a website that's mainly based around law enforcement yet alot of you guys don't truly understand that an officer does what they can to stay alive. To protect others.

Being on a website centered around law enforcement doesn't mean you have to be on the cop side 100% of the time no matter what is happening or who is involved.