POST REMOVED: Arguement, after i warned you.

Edited February 20, 201511 yr by LowFloToilet

The officer needs punishment. That is just unacceptable. That's all i'll put out.

There is a thin line using that technique, as soon as garner was on the ground and other officers were there, he should have released him. I do however side with officer. (Gardner was a big dude, and i would not want to fight him)

Why do i see this topic just blowing up into everyones faces/causing an argument like the original topic did? 

Chokehold for resisting arrest? How is that ok? There are many different ways to make someone comply with your orders, not a choke hold which as it happened, killed him. 

Why bring this up now? We'll need a fire extinguisher to put out the flame war that's going to start. What's done is done, It's in the past.

Edited February 20, 201511 yr by Andrew L

Not using the force-option continuum and attempting to engage a suspect by yourself when there are multiple officers on scene is foolish.

We're looking at a case of a gung-ho mongoloid with a badge who deserves to be put out to pasture. DAAT will NEVER teach you to go for the neck.

 

When you have that many men on scene, you go for limbs and pin the suspect down. You don't need to rush the fight, it'll come to you if it's going to happen.

Edited February 20, 201511 yr by DisharmoniousUnmutual

Officer should be fired(not sure if he has been yet), not charged like everyone wants. I personally think Garner's poor health played a huge role in this, and it would have probably been the same result if they had tased him or put him in any other high stress situation. Yes, officer Pantaleo should have let go of Garner once he hit the ground but then again, Garner should not have resisted. He didn't get choked out to death at the scene. He died on the way to the hospital from cardiac arrest. One person, the officer, should not have to take all the responsibility for Garner's death. Garner himself shouldn't have been doing the same s*** that he was out on bail on. The officer for not letting go, and maybe even the lawmakers for this dumb law in the first place.

The officer needs punishment. That is just unacceptable. That's all i'll put out.

Yes, the officer deserved punishment, but garner got what he deserved, and as i said, Garner was resisting and Garner couldnt breathe and the officer shoudlve stopped, but he didnt. He does deserve punishment

There is a thin line using that technique, as soon as garner was on the ground and other officers were there, he should have released him. I do however side with officer. (Gardner was a big dude, and i would not want to fight him)

Exactly, thanks for your feedback, as i thank everyone else for theirs.

Not using the force-option continuum and attempting to engage a suspect by yourself when there are multiple officers on scene is foolish.

We're looking at a case of a gung-ho mongoloid with a badge who deserves to be put out to pasture. DAAT will NEVER teach you to go for the neck.

 

When you have that many men on scene, you go for limbs and pin the suspect down. You don't need to rush the fight, it'll come to you if it's going to happen.

Agreed, I believe some sergeants were on the scene, They shouldve used a taser, a LESS LETHAL weapon. It coulve saved his life, if not let him love longer. Same with Gunner 9213, he said the same.

Why bring this up now? We'll need a fire extinguisher to put out the flame war that's going to start. What's done is done, It's in the past.

The only reason why i started this was because i wanted to see people take on this situation, i understand it was a while ago, but i think then that happened, i wasnt on lcpdfr.

Officer should be fired(not sure if he has been yet), not charged like everyone wants. I personally think Garner's poor health played a huge role in this, and it would have probably been the same result if they had tased him or put him in any other high stress situation. Yes, officer Pantaleo should have let go of Garner once he hit the ground but then again, Garner should not have resisted. He didn't get choked out to death at the scene. He died on the way to the hospital from cardiac arrest. One person, the officer, should not have to take all the responsibility for Garner's death. Garner himself shouldn't have been doing the same s*** that he was out on bail on. The officer for not letting go, and maybe even the lawmakers for this dumb law in the first place.

Officer Pantaleo should not have been fired(terminated), but at least suspended for a VERY long time without pay, and yes, i agree, he shouldve been chared with murder and stuff like that. He KINDA did the right thing, but the wrong at the same time. I also replied to someone, and i have said that if they tased him, he couldve lived longer. But thhe bad part about tasers and the  NYPD, only Sergeants carry them. And yes, my mistake, he wasnt choked to death, because if he was, then why the heck would he say "I CANT BREATHE". So sorry for that, thanks for clearing that out.

Yes, the officer deserved punishment, but garner got what he deserved, and as i said, Garner was resisting and Garner couldnt breathe and the officer shoudlve stopped, but he didnt. He does deserve punishment

 

 

I'm sorry, but "got what he deserved" is well.. a bit horrible. Nobody deserves to be killed over resist arrest. What he deserved was to be shot with a taser or sprayed in the face.. Not been put into a chokehold to the point he couldn't breathe and died. 

 

I don't care what type of police officer he was or where you're from.. as soon as you use excessive force on a suspect that kills him.. you don't deserve to be in the police force. You go through hours of training to subdue a suspect with appropriate force, and well the last time i checked.. A police officer isn't taught how to kill someone with a chokehold. Honestly, My side is with Garner, the police officer had a choice, and if he actually did things by the book, there wouldn't have been a dead suspect, a riot.. and the cop will still be in the job.

I'm sorry, but "got what he deserved" is well.. a bit horrible. Nobody deserves to be killed over resist arrest. What he deserved was to be shot with a taser or sprayed in the face.. Not been put into a chokehold to the point he couldn't breathe and died. 

 

I don't care what type of police officer he was or where you're from.. as soon as you use excessive force on a suspect that kills him.. you don't deserve to be in the police force. You go through hours of training to subdue a suspect with appropriate force, and well the last time i checked.. A police officer isn't taught how to kill someone with a chokehold. Honestly, My side is with Garner, the police officer had a choice, and if he actually did things by the book, there wouldn't have been a dead suspect, a riot.. and the cop will still be in the job.

Re Read my replies to the other commenters. I even said that he shouldve let go, or someone couldve used a taser. But only sergeants used taser, so that was tough, but every cop has mace, so i think the cops we too scared to use it. But Garner deserved it, but not death.

Im from NYC, and yet i still live here so i know what goes on.

Eric Garner had actually just broken up a fight, and was not selling untaxed cigarettes at the time, not that that part is even relevant to the case. But instead of protecting and serving the people of New York by going after the people who were fighting, they went after the large black man that they knew was selling loose cigarettes before. 

 

A chokehold is when you press your wrist against a subject's neck, cutting off airflow and therefore KILLING them. A sleeper hold is when you place their neck in your inner armpit, cutting off bloodflow therefore rendering them unconscious. That is precisely why chokeholds are banned, because they kill people.

 

 

Watch the video, the entire thing. You can SEE the officer's wrist on Garner's neck. You can HEAR him saying "I cant breathe". You're watching an innocent man with a family die before your eyes. Tell me again why the cop shouldn't be arrested and charged.

Edited February 20, 201511 yr by RyanHunter24

My question is why everyone is assuming this will turn into a flame war.

If a fight breaks out, i will close this and there will be no post to reply to.

The officer who put Garner in the chokehold should have been fired and charged. We have a perfect video of the entire incident. This to me is a no-brainer. 

Officer Pantaleo should not have been fired(terminated), but at least suspended for a VERY long time without pay, and yes, i agree, he shouldve been chared with murder and stuff like that.

So if an officer is going to be charged with murder he should only be suspended and not fired? Explain this to me. 

This post is going to be shut down / deleted. I warned you.

This post is going to be shut down / deleted. I warned you.

Why? No one flamed or started petty fights.

lmao

 

Well this went real sour real quick. Not entirely sure I fully understand how, but it did.

Don't create a topic if you don't wish to keep posting in it. You have no say in which topics remains open, or which ones get closed. As a topic poster, you have a responsibility. You can't just back out because an argument was started. You started the topic, and you'll need to live with the consequences. You do not get to "warn" people either, or warn them that the topic will get closed/deleted. Such actions falls upon the community team.

Eric Garner had actually just broken up a fight, and was not selling untaxed cigarettes at the time, not that that part is even relevant to the case. But instead of protecting and serving the people of New York by going after the people who were fighting, they went after the large black man that they knew was selling loose cigarettes before. 

 

A chokehold is when you press your wrist against a subject's neck, cutting off airflow and therefore KILLING them. A sleeper hold is when you place their neck in your inner armpit, cutting off bloodflow therefore rendering them unconscious. That is precisely why chokeholds are banned, because they kill people.

 

 

Watch the video, the entire thing. You can SEE the officer's wrist on Garner's neck. You can HEAR him saying "I cant breathe". You're watching an innocent man with a family die before your eyes. Tell me again why the cop shouldn't be arrested and charged.

 

That is in fact the first time i watched the video, I have only read news articles on it.. and most of them have said he was aggressive, I don't see any form of aggression from Eric Garner, He was annoyed at the fact he was being stopped/harassed. There were two officers there on scene, and as soon as he got taken down a swarm of officers came rushing in. that officer should've waited another minute then taken Garner down with the appropriate use of force, a Chokehold is NOT an appropriate use of force. 

 

There was no need to take Eric Garner to the ground like that as he wasn't being hostile or a threat to the public of the officers. He was simple debating the fact that he was getting stopped far too often by the police (he states that every time they see him, they stop him). thousands of other suspects have been that way with police officers in the past and none of them were put in a chokehold and killed. Yes Eric Garner was committing a crime (selling untaxed cigarettes) NO he didn't need to be taken to ground with a chokehold. regardless of his weight, a chokehold wasn't needed. At the point where Garner stated many times he couldn't breathe.. then the officer should've let go, but he didn't that officer knew he couldn't breathe, that officer knew he was o longer a threat as there were a dozen cops helping him that could've easily outweighed Garner, he didn't appear to be high on drugs nor in an aggressive state.. yet that officer still kept the chokehold. which to me is murder. i really couldn't care what a grand jury says, the Officer is a murderer and should be put behind bars.