We got a major badass here, folks!

 

I'm back in this topic now, since people are gonna quote me behind my back and attack what I said and not have the balls to say it directly to me. 

 

All I meant when I said that, is the majority of the people in this topic that have contributed, are trying to get you to see the same thing I've been trying to do. This isn't a topic that's open to interpretation. He broke a written law, and was held within all legal bounds of the Mexican government. End of story. If you want to go off on another tangent specifically about corruption in Mexico, I highly suggest you make a new, separate topic.

Well first, I disagree that people "lack in balls" to say it directly to you. You opted yourself out of the debate, and that signifies that quoting you would be pointless. So rather than include you on a discussion that you've dropped, we talk about your opinion freely between each other. If you'd like us to include you on our comments, then I'd suggest you not drop from a debate while It's still live.

 

I disagree, this article is based solely upon personal opinion. He broke a law and faced the consequences, yes this is obvious. What I have a problem with, like I've said about 10 times now, is that this soldier was imprisoned almost instantly when he broke this law; Yet how many other Mexicans have broken laws just as bad and received no punishment? Common sense should have told the Mexican government that what the soldier did was entirely accidental, and it was a simple human mistake. Why would an American soldier drive into Mexico with guns? It doesn't make any sense, and it could cause an international conflict.

 

All it takes is a single wrong turn, and you're headed down a one way street deep into northern Mexico. This soldier also asked the Mexican Police if he could return to the states, because his intention wasn't to enter Mexico. Not only this, but the Mexican Police violated Mexican law in the way they treated this soldier. If they would have just let him turn around and enter the States, this would have never been a problem, and it would have been best for everyone involved. Imprisoning him accomplished what? What lesson did it teach anyone? What message did it send internationally? That Mexico as twisted priorities, and wastes countless resources on one man?

Well first, I disagree that people "lack in balls" to say it directly to you. You opted yourself out of the debate, and that signifies that quoting you would be pointless. So rather than include you on a discussion that you've dropped, we talk about your opinion freely between each other. If you'd like us to include you on our comments, then I'd suggest you not drop from a debate while It's still live.

 

I disagree, this article is based solely upon personal opinion. He broke a law and faced the consequences, yes this is obvious. What I have a problem with, like I've said about 10 times now, is that this soldier was imprisoned almost instantly when he broke this law; Yet how many other Mexicans have broken laws just as bad and received no punishment? Common sense should have told the Mexican government that what the soldier did was entirely accidental, and it was a simple human mistake. Why would an American soldier drive into Mexico with guns? It doesn't make any sense, and it could cause an international conflict.

 

All it takes is a single wrong turn, and you're headed down a one way street deep into northern Mexico. This soldier also asked the Mexican Police if he could return to the states, because his intention wasn't to enter Mexico. Not only this, but the Mexican Police violated Mexican law in the way they treated this soldier. If they would have just let him turn around and enter the States, this would have never been a problem, and it would have been best for everyone involved. Imprisoning him accomplished what? What lesson did it teach anyone? What message did it send internationally? That Mexico as twisted priorities, and wastes countless resources on one man?

 

Where is your proof that that this happens?

Edited November 3, 201411 yr by Chester199

Where is your proof that that this happens?

I'm not sure what you're referring to, I've covered several points in my comment.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, I've covered several points in my comment.

 

The text i put in bold.

The text i put in bold.

I was making a general statement, not citing an actual event. I'm sure there are hundreds of Mexicans that have blatantly broken laws and the Police ignored them, or didn't put forth any effort in bringing the criminals to justice.

Well first, I disagree that people "lack in balls" to say it directly to you. You opted yourself out of the debate, and that signifies that quoting you would be pointless. So rather than include you on a discussion that you've dropped, we talk about your opinion freely between each other. If you'd like us to include you on our comments, then I'd suggest you not drop from a debate while It's still live.

 

I disagree, this article is based solely upon personal opinion. He broke a law and faced the consequences, yes this is obvious. What I have a problem with, like I've said about 10 times now, is that this soldier was imprisoned almost instantly when he broke this law; Yet how many other Mexicans have broken laws just as bad and received no punishment? Common sense should have told the Mexican government that what the soldier did was entirely accidental, and it was a simple human mistake. Why would an American soldier drive into Mexico with guns? It doesn't make any sense, and it could cause an international conflict.

 

All it takes is a single wrong turn, and you're headed down a one way street deep into northern Mexico. This soldier also asked the Mexican Police if he could return to the states, because his intention wasn't to enter Mexico. Not only this, but the Mexican Police violated Mexican law in the way they treated this soldier. If they would have just let him turn around and enter the States, this would have never been a problem, and it would have been best for everyone involved. Imprisoning him accomplished what? What lesson did it teach anyone? What message did it send internationally? That Mexico as twisted priorities, and wastes countless resources on one man?

Then I suggest people don't try to take my opinion and state what they "think" I meant when it's wrong and they have no idea what they're talking about.

 

I can simply say to you, that how many Mexicans DO face punishment and imprisonment? Just like how many Americans escape punishment and imprisonment? This topic is about the Marine, not about whether or not others are arrested.

 

Unfortunately, that's not an accidental human mistake. Even to the US government, what he did  is called weapons smuggling. When you cross into a country illegally with weapons, that's smuggling. And him telling the police that "he had no intention of coming to mexico" is the most pathetic excuse ever. Do you realize how many illegal immigrants get caught by CBP and probably use the excuse they didn't mean to cross into the US? 

 

Look at it from Mexico's side; They catch an american, driving down a road with weapons which illegally entered the country along with the american, and all he says is "I didn't meant to". You can't just say "Oh it's okay, you didn't do it", and let him go, and for a felony no less. 

Then I suggest people don't try to take my opinion and state what they "think" I meant when it's wrong and they have no idea what they're talking about.

 

I can simply say to you, that how many Mexicans DO face punishment and imprisonment? Just like how many Americans escape punishment and imprisonment? This topic is about the Marine, not about whether or not others are arrested.

 

Unfortunately, that's not an accidental human mistake. Even to the US government, what he did  is called weapons smuggling. When you cross into a country illegally with weapons, that's smuggling. And him telling the police that "he had no intention of coming to mexico" is the most pathetic excuse ever. Do you realize how many illegal immigrants get caught by CBP and probably use the excuse they didn't mean to cross into the US? 

 

Look at it from Mexico's side; They catch an american, driving down a road with weapons which illegally entered the country along with the american, and all he says is "I didn't meant to". You can't just say "Oh it's okay, you didn't do it", and let him go, and for a felony no less. 

Well looking at it from Mexico's side, I see an opportunity to arrest a White America Soldier, who's obviously unintentionally broken Mexican law. If you do research on this situation, you'll find out that Mexico spent more money on imprisoning this American, than they have the past month. 

 

Taking a wrong turn is a human mistake because it happens to everyone, and can happen at anytime. I've turned down a wrong street several times in confusion. I do agree that he broke Mexican law and deserved to face some sort of consequences, but I disagree that there wasn't a hint of corruption and evil intentions with this case.

 

Illegal immigrants have no excuse for entering the United States illegally. They should know what they're doing, and why they're doing it. Entering a country illegally isn't a human mistake. Entering a country with ignorance of it's laws, is a human mistake.

Well looking at it from Mexico's side, I see an opportunity to arrest a White America Soldier, who's obviously unintentionally broken Mexican law. If you do research on this situation, you'll find out that Mexico spent more money on imprisoning this American, than they have the past month. 

 

Taking a wrong turn is a human mistake because it happens to everyone, and can happen at anytime. I've turned down a wrong street several times in confusion. I do agree that he broke Mexican law and deserved to face some sort of consequences, but I disagree that there wasn't a hint of corruption and evil intentions with this case.

 

Illegal immigrants have no excuse for entering the United States illegally. They should know what they're doing, and why they're doing it. Entering a country illegally isn't a human mistake. Entering a country with ignorance of it's laws, is a human mistake.

 

How does Mexico know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he IS NOT an arms smuggler?  Can you even say that? No, you cant, because only he knows the truth. With all the problems going on in Mexico right now with cartels, they aren't going to take kindly to an illegal immigrant coming across with weapons. And honestly, when you're on the border like that, you had better know where you are.

 

And that's not ignorance of Mexico's laws. What he did is smuggle arms across. He fits the definition of that law to a T. Whether or not it was accidental, he broke a serious law. 

Just a quick note: Mexico has a major problem with weapons flowing into the country from the US. Arms smuggling into the US would be unusual (it's easier to buy weapons here on the black market); arms smuggling into Mexico is common. You're rarely "locked" on a one-way street; a car is capable of going the wrong way on a one-way street, and doing so is better than committing an extremely serious crime. Furthermore, if he *were* smuggling weapons, letting him return to the US wouldn't solve anything -- he'd just try again on a later day. A country is not, as a rule, expected to deport people for committing a crime within its borders; the standard procedure for serious crimes is to arrest and try them locally, and only after their trial has ended are they sent back (if they're acquitted they probably want to leave anyway; if convicted, they might be deported at the end of their prison sentence, or they may be transferred to the prison system of their home country under a prisoner transfer agreement).

How does Mexico know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he IS NOT an arms smuggler?  Can you even say that? No, you cant, because only he knows the truth. With all the problems going on in Mexico right now with cartels, they aren't going to take kindly to an illegal immigrant coming across with weapons. And honestly, when you're on the border like that, you had better know where you are.

 

And that's not ignorance of Mexico's laws. What he did is smuggle arms across. He fits the definition of that law to a T. Whether or not it was accidental, he broke a serious law. 

Well, I think it's obvious that we aren't going to agree on this. Thanks for keeping the debate clean and mature.

Even if I do agree on the fact that he might have been arrested because he was a white solider from the US, the fact still doesn't change that he brought weapons across the border. That's a solid excuse to lock him up. He broke a law.

 

It just seems as if your saying they shouldn't have arrested him because he is a solider, big whoop. He left the US and crossed into Mexico, that means he's got to play by Mexico's rules.

 

U.S. Marine reservist Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi, jailed in Mexico on gun charges since March, was ordered released by a judge in Mexico on Friday, according to documents released by the court.

The California native, 26, was arrested on March 31 after he says he got lost and crossed the Mexican border with three firearms in his pickup truck. Tahmooressi served two tours of duty in Afghanistan.

Unlike American law, in Mexico one is guilty until proven innocent and the decision rests solely in the judge’s hands. It is a shame that the United States is bordering such a corrupt country.

 

https://gma.yahoo.com/mexican-judge-orders-us-marine-reservist-released-002900463--abc-news-topstories.html

 

 

Well, i can understand your anger/frustration, but i think we all should respect other countries, even if we hate them. It was just the law, if you enter another territory with a weapon, they will surely detain you and will ask you what is going on, and in Mexico, you go trough detention until they prove you are clean. It could be for protection, i don't know, those are the laws over here. And yes, this is a corrupt government, like in every country in the world, you will always find some sort of "corruption", in some more than others. As a Mexican Citizen, i can tell you that the times i've been stopped by police in my car they have not asked me for money, but instead, it is rather the people who offers them money or something to let them go. SO i must say, we the citizens have part of the guilt by accustoming they to do so.

We can not blame a country or a person without knowing in depth why.

 

Plus, there is a quote on the site you have provided:

"In Mexico, like in the United States, ignorance of the law, error, misperceptions or misunderstandings about the consequences of violating a law, are not exemptions from responsibility," prosecutors said in the statement.

 

Remember, The respect of the rights and duties of others, means peace.

 

 

Sorry for bumping an old topic, but i have my reasons to reply to this discussion.

Edited January 10, 201511 yr by Sheriff Van Dyck

Well, i can understand your anger/frustration, but i think we all should respect other countries, even if we hate them. It was just the law, if you enter another territory with a weapon, they will surely detain you and will ask you what is going on, and in Mexico, you go trough detention until they prove you are clean. It could be for protection, i don't know, those are the laws over here. And yes, this is a corrupt government, like in every country in the world, you will always find some sort of "corruption", in some more than others. As a Mexican Citizen, i can tell you that the times i've been stopped by police in my car they have not asked me for money, but instead, it is rather the people who offers them money or something to let them go. SO i must say, we the citizens have part of the guilt by accustoming they to do so.

We can not blame a country or a person without knowing in depth why.

 

Plus, there is a quote on the site you have provided:

"In Mexico, like in the United States, ignorance of the law, error, misperceptions or misunderstandings about the consequences of violating a law, are not exemptions from responsibility," prosecutors said in the statement.

 

Remember, The respect of the rights and duties of others, means peace.

 

 

Sorry for bumping an old topic, but i have my reasons to reply to this discussion.

Though I disagree with the definition of "respect" I understand your point. Thanks for the response.

Though I disagree with the definition of "respect" I understand your point. Thanks for the response.

 

Just my humble opinion, sir. God bless u.

What Pavelow has explained numerous times is correct. He broke Mexican law, therefore he went through the Mexican criminal justice system. Just because it functions differently from the American system (the guilty until innocent bit is disgusting but this isn't the place for that discussion) or that he was an American or a soldier is irrelevant.