Some arguments have been starting within other topics about gun ownership in the United States. To help prevent debates in irrelevant topics, I've decided to open this one. I'll post my view on gun ownership below.

 

I believe that Americans should have the right to own a gun, plain and simple. If the government and criminals(Which they are very closely related) are able to have guns, why shouldn't law abiding citizens  have guns? Not only is it common sense for those that reside in the United States, but it's a right that Americans have always had, and always should have. It's a lot easier for foreigners to criticize American gun ownership, especially when they don't reside in the United States. Let's look at Canada for example, a country with some of the most strict gun laws in North America. Just recently there was a shooting in their Parliament. A country with intense gun control laws, still managed to have someone insane run amok and shoot people. Just because a law is passed, doesn't mean that people will follow it.

Gun's cant Kill people, its the People that aim and pull the trigger..   tougher background checks are needed, more common sense is preferable...

 

as for gun control, here's a quote i love by a country singer named Charlie Daniels (you may have heard of 'em)

 

"Now they're tryin' to take my guns away

And that would be just fine
If you take 'em away from the criminals first
Ill gladly give ya' mine"

 

there's my opinion on it in a very short form 

 

My only compromise on gun control is assault rifles i can completely understand them getting outlawed people don't need AR-15's for hunting..

just hunting people, thats what assault rifles we're designed for after all to be Tools of war, i don't think they belong in american homes we're not the middle east we don't need AK-47's to protect ourselves.. 
 

Government and criminals are nowhere near the same. People who actually believe that those are two things are similar need to look up the definition of "criminal". While I support every person's right to own firearms (and it is something I encourage). I think there needs to be certain restrictions on what kind of firearms people can buy. Nobody needs an assault rifle. Nobody needs a huge .50 anti-material rifle. The fact that those weapons are freely available to people concerns me. I believe there should be tighter requirements to own firearms, more thorough background checks, and harsher penalties for people who break gun law or commit a crime with a firearm.

Okay, my whole thing is this, the reason I like some guns is because they pretty cool and are awesome when used n combat, although I don't think I need guns in order to defend myself because there are other ways of defending yourself. And gun control, my opoion is no we shouldn't take away guns from the citizens all because of the actions of a few bad apples, so let's just keep it the way it is, having very strict gun laws won't prevent mass shootings from happening. It's kinda like if we were to take bombs, just because we take away bombs doesn't mean people still won't find a way to blow stuff up.

Government and criminals are nowhere near the same. People who actually believe that those are two things are similar need to look up the definition of "criminal". While I support every person's right to own firearms (and it is something I encourage). I think there needs to be certain restrictions on what kind of firearms people can buy. Nobody needs an assault rifle. Nobody needs a huge .50 anti-material rifle. The fact that those weapons are freely available to people concerns me. I believe there should be tighter requirements to own firearms, more thorough background checks, and harsher penalties for people who break gun law or commit a crime with a firearm.

If you actually believe that the United States government aren't liars and criminals, then we have nothing to discuss on the matter.

Let's look at Canada for example, a country with some of the most strict gun laws in North America. Just recently there was a shooting in their Parliament. A country with intense gun control laws, still managed to have someone insane run amok and shoot people. Just because a law is passed, doesn't mean that people will follow it.

Do you mean that gun ownership can prevent such shootings?

 

I might be wrong but I think those shootings are a rare occurrence in Canada. They had a pretty bad year, no doubt, but only today in the States were two incidents, one with two deputies down and another one in a school. No gun owner stepped up and shot the criminal. So, the way I see it, shootings are more frequent in USA, and less frequent in Canada, and gin ownership doesn't help America too much.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love America and I support the second amendment, but that reference to Canada ain't a good argument. 

If you actually believe that the United States government aren't liars and criminals, then we have nothing to discuss on the matter.

As a member of the military I am technically part of the US government, so I am a liar and criminal? There are some politicians who actually commit crimes and are criminals but the majority of them are not. Just because you don't like the way they are doing things doesn't make them criminals. If everyone in the government is a criminal then please tell me what charges you have on them because this would be news to me.

As a member of the military I am technically part of the US government, so I am a liar and criminal? There are some politicians who actually commit crimes and are criminals but the majority of them are not. Just because you don't like the way they are doing things doesn't make them criminals. If everyone in the government is a criminal then please tell me what charges you have on them because this would be news to me.

Just because you're part of a group that has been known for doing bad things, doesn't mean you too have to fall in that category, also the government in the U.S is not as bad as it is in other countries, sure our government does some bad things, but the government in Nigeria is way worse.

Edited October 25, 201411 yr by Chester199

As a member of the military I am technically part of the US government, so I am a liar and criminal? There are some politicians who actually commit crimes and are criminals but the majority of them are not. Just because you don't like the way they are doing things doesn't make them criminals. If everyone in the government is a criminal then please tell me what charges you have on them because this would be news to me.

Let's try to stay on topic with owning a gun, thanks.

 

Do you mean that gun ownership can prevent such shootings?

 

I might be wrong but I think those shootings are a rare occurrence in Canada. They had a pretty bad year, no doubt, but only today in the States were two incidents, one with two deputies down and another one in a school. No gun owner stepped up and shot the criminal. So, the way I see it, shootings are more frequent in USA, and less frequent in Canada, and gin ownership doesn't help America too much.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love America and I support the second amendment, but that reference to Canada ain't a good argument. 

My reference to Canada was that Canada has strict gun laws, yet a crime with a gun still occurred. My purpose in pointing that out, is that gun laws won't stop gun crime. There are people hat believe banning guns will solve the problem of gun crimes, it won't. If criminals and the government can have guns, then why can't law abiding American citizens have guns? The US is bordering Mexico, with some of the heaviest crime and weapons trafficking on the entire continent. If I wanted to buy a gun, regardless of if it was legal or not, I could. If those gang members down the street have guns, why can't I have a gun to defend myself from them?

 

A gun puts my grandmother on equal grounds with a 6-foot 300 pound attacker.

Edited October 25, 201411 yr by CriminalKillaz

Let's try to stay on topic with owning a gun, thanks.

 

My reference to Canada was that Canada has strict gun laws, yet a crime with a gun still occurred. My purpose in pointing that out, is that gun laws won't stop gun crime. There are people hat believe banning guns will solve the problem of gun crimes, it won't. If criminals and the government can have guns, then why can't law abiding American citizens have guns? The US is bordering Mexico, with some of the heaviest crime and weapons trafficking on the entire continent. If I wanted to buy a gun, regardless of if it was legal or not, I could. If those gang members down the street have guns, why can't I have a gun to defend myself from them?

 

A gun puts my grandmother on equal grounds with a 6-foot 300 pound attacker.

Hey man, you brought it into this topic. I was only addressing it.

 

Gun laws won't stop gun crimes but it will deter them. That is also why I believe the punishments for committing those crimes should be harsher so that the people who do break those laws. And by the way all the weapons trafficking in Mexico comes from the US. Mexico makes it very hard to get weapons so they all come to the US to buy their weapons because it is so easy here. So if anyone is to blame for all the gun violence in Mexico it is us.

 

My only compromise on gun control is assault rifles i can completely understand them getting outlawed people don't need AR-15's for hunting..

just hunting people, thats what assault rifles we're designed for after all to be Tools of war, i don't think they belong in american homes we're not the middle east we don't need AK-47's to protect ourselves.. 

 

Try telling that to the guy being robbed and the intruder(s) also has assault rifles. 

 

Try telling that to the guy being robbed and the intruder(s) also has assault rifles. 

 

in those close quarters situations i would rather be armed with a shotgun than an assault Rifle and also the cases of robbery's in which assault rifles are used are Vastly Lower than Robbery's in which Handgun's or Shotguns are used  although you have a point, realistically you're pointing out a very rare situation in our country..  (not saying it doesn't happen) 

Try telling that to the guy being robbed and the intruder(s) also has assault rifles. 

 

Why? What advantage does an assault rifle have at close range over handguns and shotguns? Personally I would rather have my Glock 23 with me if someone was breaking into my house. Just because an intruder is using a certain gun doesn't mean that gun is better. I don't care if an intruder breaks into my house with an AT-4 (shoulder fired anti-tank rocket), I'd rather have my Glock.

Why? What advantage does an assault rifle have at close range over handguns and shotguns? Personally I would rather have my Glock 23 with me if someone was breaking into my house. Just because an intruder is using a certain gun doesn't mean that gun is better. I don't care if an intruder breaks into my house with an AT-4 (shoulder fired anti-tank rocket), I'd rather have my Glock.

Lol, your comment made me laugh, no matter what gun, all it takes is one shot to kill you.

Hey man, you brought it into this topic. I was only addressing it.

 

Gun laws won't stop gun crimes but it will deter them. That is also why I believe the punishments for committing those crimes should be harsher so that the people who do break those laws. And by the way all the weapons trafficking in Mexico comes from the US. Mexico makes it very hard to get weapons so they all come to the US to buy their weapons because it is so easy here. So if anyone is to blame for all the gun violence in Mexico it is us.

Do you have any sources to back this information up? It's caught my attention, and makes perfect sense.

If you're interested C.K, here's a link on guns and Mexico.

http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/content/EkFyAkZElFDSBAXykb.html

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth#axzz3HBVHMUBU

http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/mobile//tijuana/warning.html (guns are illegal in Mexico)

My only compromise on gun control is assault rifles i can completely understand them getting outlawed people don't need AR-15's for hunting..

just hunting people, thats what assault rifles we're designed for after all to be Tools of war, i don't think they belong in american homes we're not the middle east we don't need AK-47's to protect ourselves..

 

I love the ignorance in your comment. Your average citizen does not own anything close to an "assault rifle." The rifles we have on the market are not "designed" to be tools of war. You could make the same argument for police officers, why the fuck do they need AR-15s, rifle plates, shotguns, armored vehicles ect.. After all we're not in the middle east right?

There are corrupted people that will do anything it takes to hurt someone if they determined enough, look what happened in Canada last week; To the contrary there are also Samaritans who have helped officers pinned down by shooters or who have be able to stop someone from doing more harm. 

Look at nations like Switzerland who have a .308 caliber battle rifle in damn near every home and you don't hear about any mass shootings over there.

Personally the condom effect has and always will be the most logical approach to self defense and firearms in general. "I would rather have one and not need one, than to need one and not have one."

As far as hunting goes most states (likely all) have serious regulations like my state Vermont you are not allowed to carry more than 6 rounds of ammunition in your semi-automatic rifle while hunting or face fines or possible confiscation of your equipment.

For the record i am not against the police on having the tools they do as i intend to be an LEO by late 2016.

Edited October 25, 201411 yr by SGT.Graison

Hey man, you brought it into this topic. I was only addressing it.

 

Gun laws won't stop gun crimes but it will deter them. That is also why I believe the punishments for committing those crimes should be harsher so that the people who do break those laws. And by the way all the weapons trafficking in Mexico comes from the US. Mexico makes it very hard to get weapons so they all come to the US to buy their weapons because it is so easy here. So if anyone is to blame for all the gun violence in Mexico it is us.

 

It may "deter" them in the same way police presence should deter a threat but time and time again have shown that when these criminals step foot out their door with a weapon, with the intent to kill they will stop at nothing to harm someone; why the ***k would they even care about a death penalty when 9/10 the shooter ends up dead in these shootouts. It may stop a few people from wanting to commence heinous acts but it will never be an endgame solution and all you have accomplished is hurt your law abiding citizens in the process and make them more vulnerable.

To say that "they all" (Mexican criminals, gang members, cartel members ect..) get all their weapons from the US is naive. Sure one cannot debate that weapons from the US do leak into Mexico but the major cartels can get their hands on literally anything they want in fairly large shipments as we have seen they have everything from hand grenades to anti-take weapons... But to blame Mexico's gun violence entirely on the US is also naive.

I agree something should be done but turning our culture upside down is not the way to do it.

Edited October 25, 201411 yr by SGT.Graison

 

 

"Now they're tryin' to take my guns away

And that would be just fine

If you take 'em away from the criminals first

Ill gladly give ya' mine"

 

 

 

FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN, RUN BOY RUN!!

I love how ignorant you are. Your average citizen does not own anything close to an "assault rifle." The rifles we have on the market are not "designed" to be tools of war. You could make the same argument for police officers, why the fuck do they need AR-15s, rifle plates, shotguns, armored vehicles ect.. After all we're not in the middle east right?

Not designed as a tool of war eh? Here's a History Lesson for you..  "The term assault rifle is a non-direct translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", "storm" as in "military assault"). The name was coined by Adolf Hitler^{[11]"  Further More: "}The Germans were the first to pioneer the assault rifle concept, during World War II, based upon research that showed that most firefights happen within 400 meters and that contemporary rifles were over-powered for most small arms combat"

 

Eventually Assault Rifles we're Designed to Kill as many of the Enemy as Possible with Reload Times as short as possible (hence the "Box Magazine)

 

 

also you're right the average citizen likely Does not have an Assault Rifle However its not the Average Citizen Going around Shooting Random People at will 

 

However the Assault Rifles we have on the market here aren't Designed to be Tools of war? yet the Popular AR-15 is essentially a Photo Copy of the famous M-16 (A tool of war)  Also note that AR-15 stands for Assault Rife - 15  you can go ahead and look back at the Source of that term and tell me that Assault rifle's weren't designed to kill people

 

just to add some Fact's to my argument here, here are some guns being sold on the USA Firearms Market that are specifically Designed to kill and some used in our own Military

 

- FNH Scar Being Sold in Arizona - http://www.gunsinternational.com/FNH-Scar-Heavy-17S-7-62X51.cfm?gun_id=100495961&CFID=8901322&CFTOKEN=c12601b6e9521692-D9C8C42C-90B1-1C3E-AE807A81F9F53E7A

 

- 7.62x39mm AK-47 Being Sold in Delaware - http://www.gunsinternational.com/ARSENAL-SA-M-7-AK-47-7-62x39mm-Milled-Receiver-w-custom-quad-rail-.cfm?gun_id=100490905

 

- Colt M4 Carbine Being Sold in South Dakota - http://www.gunsinternational.com/Colt-M4-Carbine-5-56mm-NATO.cfm?gun_id=100489775

 

NOTE: there was also a .50BMG M97 Barrett Sniper Rifle on sale in Delaware didn't add it into the list since it isn't an assault rifle But damn

 

anyway these 3 guns are designed to kill people and do a damn good job at it.. so you may want to reconsider your stance.. 

 

Sorry to make this so long but im just showing that getting guns like that IS possible here just pretty expensive

 

 

Edited October 25, 201411 yr by XBR410