I agree with you on that, oh and by the way here's the video with the 911 call and the news report.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6N3UuBQjMs8

 

Okay? And your point?

 

Man has gun...man points gun at people...police show up...police shoot suspect for most likely pointing gun at them.

 

Okay? And your point?

Man has gun...man points gun at people...police show up...police shoot suspect for most likely pointing gun at them.

Ok well I'm sticking with my stance, everyone was at fault here.

Ok well I'm sticking with my stance, everyone was at fault here.

 

no...the man with the gun was at fault...that's the end of it.

 

So you're trying to say the cops should of had some super human senses which told them it wasn't a real weapon. Laws on weapons are really, really strict over here in the UK. Its quite illegal to have an imitation firearm never mind having the real one. If you pull out a weapon which looks real then the officers have the right to take you down with the force the believe is necessary. 

This is wrong, in the constitution, the citizens of the us have the right to do a peaceful protest, but yet we have police firing rubber bullets at people who have do nothing wrong, it's sad.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IVgbH4ngNqQ

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/us/protest-in-missouri-at-police-killing-of-teenager-is-chronicled-on-social-media.html?_r=0

You really don't understand the US constitution do you? That's ok, not many people in this country do anymore. I guess they've stopped teaching this stuff in school since I was a kid.

 

While your rights cannot be completely removed, the courts have ruled numerous times that they can be reasonably regulated. With regards to the right of the people to assemble, the constitution says that the people have,"...the right to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

 

The courts have ruled that reasonable regulation on this right is that most places require an advance permit to be issued prior to the assembly, and the assembly must be held in such a location and manner that it does not interfere with any person not participating in the assembly. The purpose of acquiring a permit usually meets the requirement to "petition the Government for a redress of grievances," as there is a documented reason to the event and proper notification of the affected Government office.

 

This is the same reason the "Occupy Wall Street" protesters were hassled the way they were. Just like these "protesters" in Ferguson, these people are breaking the law. They do not have a permit to assemble as a protest, the right to "peaceably assemble" stops when they begin throwing rocks, bottles, and bricks at the police and discharge firearms at the police, and it definitely stops when they begin looting and burning down buildings. They are also clearly interfering with other people by blocking the roads and sidewalks to an unnecessary extent.

 

These people were given multiple lawful orders to disperse before any force was used. Riot Shields, tear gas, and rubber bullets are the standard response to these crimes and are intended to prevent the criminals in the crowd from spreading to other parts of the city and getting even further out of control. These tactics have been in use for decades and there is nothing new about the police response we are seeing in Ferguson. As for the media, they are being gassed along with everyone else because they intentionally set up their cameras on the side of the riot line with the criminals. The police are not targeting the media, the media is simply in with the crowd trying to make themselves out to be a "victim" so they have a story to sensationalize.

 

I'm an avid supporter of American rights, but as usual, an ignorant public is distorting something they don't understand to proclaim "rights" that we do not and never have had in this country. That's why what's happening in Ferguson is called a RIOT, not a protest. In order to properly defend your rights, you have to actually understand what rights you have in the first place.

 

Edited August 14, 201411 yr by johnclark1102

I wouldn't call most of these protests peaceful 

 

http://gyazo.com/e49d70e11a317eb07116cb1ba222404a

http://gyazo.com/93fc97a4f069f7b34dc472f122db3e3f

 

peaceful

 

adjective

1.

characterized by peace; free from war, strife, commotion, violence, ordisorder:

a peaceful reign; a peaceful demonstration.

2.

of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a state or time of peace.

3.

peaceful; not argumentative, quarrelsome, or hostile:

a peaceful disposition.

 

 

That's the definition of peaceful. As I hope you would be able to work out from that definition, a peaceful protest is one which is "free from...violence, or disorder".

 

When I look at those links you have posted, what I see is mass civil unrest. Throwing Molotovs and bricks and the police deliberately intended to harm? Please tell me you don't actually still believe this to be peaceful? 

 

The police have a duty to protect the streets and this is clearly what they are doing by dispersing mass crowds. Please go and get some common sense before starting one of these threads.

 

Have a good day!

Edited August 14, 201411 yr by TheScottishGamer

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Here are some pictures of what the protesters are doing, if anyone is interested.

 

 

Thank you RidleyScotch from Reddit for posting these.

Edited August 14, 201411 yr by CrossFire

I wouldn't call most of these protests peaceful

http://gyazo.com/e49d70e11a317eb07116cb1ba222404a

http://gyazo.com/93fc97a4f069f7b34dc472f122db3e3f

I din't see those photos, from the video I watched it looked peaceful I'm guessing that was another group of people, what I was referring to is the people who are protesting the right way shouldn't be punished, but for the people like that guy with the Molotov cocktail, should go home because obviously he donse't know what protesting is.

These are just massive cunts looking for an excuse to go out and loot in the name of something "great".

 

To clarify before someone tries to be smart - I mean the disorderly ones who are out causing trouble.

Edited August 14, 201411 yr by Olanov

Here are some pictures of what the protesters are doing, if anyone is interested.

Thank you RidleyScotch from Reddit for posting these.

One word: idiots, what does the gas station have to do about mike browns death?

When a man surrenders He give's up. No need to fire these cops, need to be psychologically evaluated 

Here are some pictures of what the protesters are doing, if anyone is interested.

 

 

Thank you RidleyScotch from Reddit for posting these.

 

What a shame....what a shame

 

I din't see those photos, from the video I watched it looked peaceful...

This is exactly why we should not rush to judgement. We do not have all the facts, we only have the information the media bias wants us to have.

You assumed the protests were peaceful when in fact they are not, the same way some assume that the officer in the shooting was wrong, when in fact he may not have been.

Do not rush to judgement based only on the limited information you see in front of you.

Edited August 14, 201411 yr by johnclark1102

 

Not sure of you guy's opinion of this, but the Ferguson Police tear gassed & bean bagged news crews after dispersing rioters a quarter mile away and dismantled their equipment after they fled from the gas. Personally although it isn't the "right" thing to do (since the media has the right to be there & are simply making a living), I kind of agree with the police action. The media has been fueling the fire of this tragic shooting and doing whatever possible to get a "good story" out of it. I'm kind of happy to see the media thrown out just like everyone else, I personally think the media is contributing to alot of the problems seen in Ferguson.

 

Here's the link to the full story & video: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/14/crews-hit-with-bean-bags-tear-gas/14042747/

Edited August 14, 201411 yr by RexCramer

I personally think the media is contributing to alot of the problems seen in Ferguson.

 

Indeed they are. Mixed and generally confusing news reports of details. Hard to make any sense of it.

Not sure of you guy's opinion of this, but the Ferguson Police tear gassed & bean bagged news crews after dispersing rioters a quarter mile away and dismantled their equipment after they fled from the gas. Personally although it isn't the "right" thing to do (since the media has the right to be there & are simply making a living), I kind of agree with the police action. The media has been fueling the fire of this tragic shooting and doing whatever possible to get a "good story" out of it. I'm kind of happy to see the media thrown out just like everyone else, I personally think the media is contributing to alot of the problems seen in Ferguson.

Here's the link to the full story & video: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/14/crews-hit-with-bean-bags-tear-gas/14042747/

The media does not necessarily have the right to be there. They have the right to report on the events that occur, but see my post above about the right to assemble and such. If this crew was in an area they were told not to be in and they chose to disobey repeated lawful orders to disperse, then they were breaking the law along with all the other rioters.

As for the police dismantling their equipment, I'm sure the idiots on Cop Block are already scheming that the police are trying to suppress media reports, but the fact is they were probably just trying to secure that VERY expensive equipment so it didn't get damaged or stolen by the looters and criminals roaming the streets.

What I was saying was every time we see these stories it is a white male police officer killing a black male, that man was just walking to the store and back he was shot for no apparent reason yet police officers are never charged which is wrong, that is why I say it will be very effective if black people start boycotting so that way it will get so much attention companies will be kissing their butts to come back and buy stuff from them. Black people have a bind power of one trillion dollars. Mass financial boycott is the best solution.

Not sure what boycotting privately own businesses has to do with law enforcement. Walmart has no impact on what law enforcement does so boycotting Walmart is not going to change anything.

 

Well I was just saying this because of the recent news story that was posted about this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1HjvorMfEjI

Love the title of this video. It is clearly not biased in anyway, that is some true unbiased journalism right there. And I can tell this guy actually spent time researching and possibly even going out and conducting interviews based on his professionalism. He clearly did not just go to Wikipedia and Twitter to find out what is happening in St. Louis. (Not sure if you are picking up on my sarcasm but it is there just as an FYI).

 

I watched that video, what I don't understand is that the police officers who were there din't ask what was going on, din't tell the man to put the gun down or nothing just straight shot him, like what the man said it's the same scenario every time white male police officers killing black males, and that's true.

How do you know they didn't say anything at first? Were you there? And even if this was the case what if they arrived on scene and the man pointed a gun at them? I know that if I pull up and before I say anything someone starts pointing a weapon at me I'm not going say "hold on let me talk to you first" because by then he is already emptying half of his magazine into me. I also like how you say "it is the same scenario every time...and that's true". Where is your evidence? You clearly have knowledge on every police shooting in this country which I find amazing because you are the only person in the country that has that kind of knowledge.

 

Oh yeah I know all kinds of cops commit some form of brutality, I'm just saying the majority of police brutality is committed by white male police officers.

Again, where is your evidence? Is this something you can back up with real evidence and not some video link from that same guy you posted earlier. I mean statistical evidence from a reliable source.

 

How do you know?

The same way you know everything about every police shooting in the US and exactly what happened during the incident with Michael Brown.

 

Not everything is a case of police brutality oh and that story about the toy gun, yes pellet guns are dangerous but I think the 911 caller was lying, when he said 'he was loading the gun and pointing at people'

Once again, where is your evidence of the 911 caller lying? I find it really hard to believe that this citizen minding their own business saw this guy and was like "I know what I'll do! I'll call 911 and tell the police he is loading and pointing a firearm at people so the police can come and shoot him." If you seriously believe that then you must be under the age of 8 where anything is possible in your imagination.

 

I agree with you on that, oh and by the way here's the video with the 911 call and the news report.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6N3UuBQjMs8

Oh yay! Another unbiased news source! (More sarcasm if you didn't pick it up)

 

This is wrong, in the constitution, the citizens of the us have the right to do a peaceful protest, but yet we have police firing rubber bullets at people who have do nothing wrong, it's sad.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IVgbH4ngNqQ

Oh wonderful, another one of those reliable and unbiased news sources you like to post. (Again, sarcasm)

 

I din't see those photos, from the video I watched it looked peaceful I'm guessing that was another group of people, what I was referring to is the people who are protesting the right way shouldn't be punished, but for the people like that guy with the Molotov cocktail, should go home because obviously he donse't know what protesting is.

This is exactly why you need to do real research if you want to participate in a discussion about something. Because if you base everything you know off of one source (and a clearly biased and unreliable source at that) you come off looking stupid.

 

My suggestion for the future is that if you see something and you don't know much about the topic go do some research and look at several different sources to see what different sides of the stories are. And when people give you opposing sides go and research that, even if you feel you are right. When someone tells me I am wrong or they give me an opposing view I go research it really quick even if I feel (or know) I am right just to make sure I have all facts and view points on the topic. And unless you have some kind of evidence or first hand knowledge about something don't state it as a fact. If someone says something I don't believe is true I go research it really quick to make sure that what I'm about to say to counter them is actually a fact because there are times where I could have sworn that I was right and I go look something up to double check or I look at a different source and I find out that what I thought was a fact is actually not. So unless you are ready to back up your claims I recommend not posting them.

Edited August 15, 201411 yr by l3ubba