Pavelow

Almost no agency in SC has panic buttons. Also most departments in Georgia and NC. The state agency don't have any. Not sure about municipalities or counties for those states.

Actually this year police deaths due to firearms (I think) are down by 5% so far. Traffic collisions are number 1 this year, last I checked.

Hardly any do. It's expensive to do that and very complicated with all the different configurations and tie-ins from municipality dispatch, county dispatch, and in some cases the State Police dispatch.

Sounds like a colossal screw up. Shoot a dog, the homeowner, and a fellow officer all at the wrong address?

Graham v. Connor and Tennessee v. Garner. Those have established use of force guidelines and when lethal force is allowed on EVERY CITIZEN. It's absolutely asinine to make an exception for black people, or any other ethnic, racial, or gender group. And limiting the use of force WILL get officers killed. It's already getting them killed because officers are too scared to act because the media will ruin their lives. And that's the problem. There IS NO DEFINITIVE guideline for use of force. Every officer will perceive a threat differently, and there is no archetypal classification of a threat. A suspect that is 6'6 275lbs may not be considered a serious threat by the officer that is 6'3 250lbs. But that same suspect may be considered a threat by the officer that is 5'9 180lbs. Then you can consider things like accessibility of a weapon, presence of drugs or alcohol, the physical condition of an officer, knowledge of suspect, reason he is considered a suspect, etc. And it's already established that courts will look at Use of Force cases from the viewpoint of an officer, that has a half a second or less to make the decision to pull the trigger. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- And why don't these "activists" go through an abbreviated academy? Why don't they learn what is taught to officers. What the force continuum is. When use of force is justified. Why you're shooting. How you're shooting. Because I'd be willing to bet that 99% of these activists don't even know what the case laws are that are the backbone to state statutes or departmental policies regarding use of force. Or what a basic force continuum is. If you don't know about those, then shut up and sit down because it's awfully hard to change something when you don't even know what you're trying to change.

Then you're not familiar with common use of force policy and case law. They're wanting to be more strict on when deadly force can be used but it's still subjective. And not allowing someone to talk to an officer for a set amount of time is partly due for his own psychological well being.

At least they provide another side to the story unlike the overwhelming majority of news sites. Besides have you read the BLM proposals? They will literally have police officers killed by suspects, suicides, and undo years of case law that works well, but BLM are using that as a diversion.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/22/minister-slams-black-lives-matter-why-are-you-not-cleaning-your-own-community

Someone, at some point shoved a camera in my face and called me the grand wizard of the KKK. So maybe, I'm somewhere on Youtube.

They called in ALL the Troopers and BPS officers for that. That was like the scariest moment of my life. Me and some other deputy from another county got surrounded by a group of panthers and klan members and were straight shitting our pants. My hat got completely crushed.

My father spent 15 years with the Border Patrol, when they were still under the Department of Justice. Very hard and strict academy. You will learn conversational Spanish (If you don't you get kicked out), and once you graduate and go to your post, you have 2 years of probation where you will have numerous Spanish tests as well as physical fitness tests. Not to mention that even if you're stationed on the Canadian border, you will still have "Details" where you will spend maybe 1-3 months down on the Mexican border. Not sure if some of that has changed, but that's what it was about 5 years ago. Don't plan on starting a family and be a newbie in the Border Patrol. It's very hard on family life. Although, it's the federal government. If you happen to get in at a very early age, you can retire pretty early and have a very cushy retirement as well as very good benefits.

What he means to say is that you cant belive everything that comes out of Russian media outlets. They'll never report on something that reflects poorly on themselves. Quite the opposite of the United States. The US would appear to be a country where cops always kill innocent minorities, based on our media outlets.

By recent, you mean in 2013? Anyway, I'd say bad shoot. Guy wasn't hostile, just not listening to the officer's commands. Unfortunately all it takes is one rookie cop to have an itchy trigger finger, and the other officers won't usually second guess him and start firing assuming there is a legitimate threat.

Haha, obviously he's not. But it just goes to show that it's easy to be caught off guard like that. "Action is ALWAYS faster than reaction". What I meant by saying the taser is less effective, was that it's not reliable to always work. Prongs may not stick, it may not immobilize the suspect completely, suspect may be on drugs, etc. With a screwdriver, all it takes is one stab ANYWHERE and that is enough to effectively incapacitate an individual. Comparing fatality rates of other countries to the US isn't even close to being fair. The US maintains over 1 million sworn LEOs to a population of over 300 million . Canada, for instance maintains about 70,000 to a population of about 35 million. The fatality rate for US LEOs is about 66 per year ('14). In Canada, it was about 5('14). By simple math, if Canada had a sworn LEO count of around 1.2 million similar to the US, their fatality rate would be roughly about 80 per year. Similar to the US. *I did a rough search for fallen Canadian LEOs. If anybody has a more accurate number, let me know.

Watch this, and the same could be said about a taser, which is not as reliable as a firearm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KJ1R2PCMM

Figured you had some past experience with LE. I had my enlistment cut short to due to a lot of politics within the Air Force (luckily, I still got an honorable discharge), but fortunately was hired by the Highway Patrol where I live and now I'm at their academy. Good luck in transferring over to the CG, and finding a job where you want, man.

Do you realize how long it actually takes to draw your weapon, when the adrenaline is pumping, and you were nowhere prepared to draw? The officer in the video can thank dumb luck that he wasn't shot (even if it wasn't a real gun). If the suspect was intent on taking an officer with him with a real gun, he could have gotten 2 or 3 shots off before he was able to draw, and his female partner seemed to struggle with the retention band. Just out of curiosity, were you prior law enforcement before the Army?

I feel that most departments are slowly shifting to all blue. Eventually I believe that most will have made the switch. I prefer the distinction of rescue/medics using red and police using blue.

If it's a legit 4 year college, then they will probably hassle you about setting up orientations and meetings which is good (Protip- If the staff treat you like a customer and almost never contact you, then find another college if possible. You're giving them an unnecessary amount of money; they should care about you and take an active role in your education and planning). If it's a community college or tech school, then you're responsible for going there, and I'd recommend it. Get to know where stuff is, and where the important buildings are. Don't be that guy that looks like a touristy, lost freshman.

That's even worse. Now, worst case scenario, you're fighting in public with patrons of the restaurant sitting right there. Me, personally, I never have a suspect put his hands on the wall, and I know a lot of departments starting to train like that. It gives the suspect immense leverage to shove off from and fight, especially in a crowded or confined space where it's easy to fall down or seriously injure yourself. Besides, I was trained to do any investigation and detention away from the public, as to minimize interference or compromising the public's safety. They were doing exactly that. He was cooperative, following the officer's commands the entire time. He posed no immediate threat to the officers, and was not hostile at all.

Now, 1 year ago, if you were driving down the road and somebody had a vanity plate of that flag on the front of their car, would you honestly assume that they were racist? If you do, that's fine. Some people did always associate racism with that, some didn't.

I'm talking about the supporters for the flag. They're taking it personally. That why people are protesting to keep the flags. Not just me, many, many people. Including politicians and governors. I couldn't care any less either if a company decided to randomly stop selling products that remind people of the Civil War and the Confederacy. What this whole thread was about was the immediate impact that the shooting had. According to their logic, we should also suppress US flags and change our flag. The KKK would fly US flags and march with US flags, and those members are the same that would lynch minorities and bomb churches and claim they did it for "America". And yes. The states that depended on agriculture as well as the numerous countries that were agriculturally dependent, did view it as that. It was, to them, a perfect social institution that wasn't implemented primarily due to racism.

The question should be why does about half the country take it personally. It's not racist to them. It can be racist to you and others, but to other it isn't. Apple very explicitly stated they banned civil war games but have since reinstated select few. People are calling for books to pulled from shelves, never said they have been. The issue is not just with a South Carolina flag. Look at the news. It was just in a supreme court case. The multiple flags across the south. I already said I wouldn't bring this up if it was just because of the one flag, but it's clearly not. And now you're twisting my words about slavery in the Roman times. I was using that as an example to explain the mentality and social institution of slavery.

Well to me, it doesn't represent racism. Many millions of people believe that. That's why many people still fly it. Nobody had a problem with it, and slavery was not what people thought of when they saw it. But now the media is putting that spin on it. I would be fine flying the flag of the Luftwaffe or the Wehrmacht, but they all have the swastika on it somewhere. The people who were members of the Nazi party were racist. You had to be. If you flew that flag you were letting the world know that you agreed with the racist ideals. Just because you flew the confederate flag, did not mean you were racist or wanted slavery. And no that's not the extent of the issue, otherwise I wouldn't have created this topic. The issue is that this flag is being labeled as racist and a flag of hate. That is forcing games to be banned. Books to be removed from shelves. Some people can choose to believe it's a flag of hate, and other don't agree with that. This was a non-issue before, but now it's suddenly become a major debate.

Look, I'm not going to argue for or against the South and the Civil War. That's not why I created this topic. It remains a debate, and will always remain a debate. People will have their own opinions about it. My main point, is people who fly the flag are not racist, just as some people that fought under the flag were not racist. On the flip side, just as many people were racist under that flag fighting for the south, as there were for the North. I had a great great great grandfather who was a cavalry officer for the Confederacy. By all official documents available, he was not a slave owner, nor did his family own slaves. Was he racist? I don't know one way or another on that. I have a confederate plate on the front of my car and I'm not racist. I have friends and neighbors that fly the confederate flag that aren't racist. A lot of people fly the flag today and are not racist, just as many people claimed citizenship with the CSA, and did not own slaves and/or held no racist beliefs. And a lot of people fly it to resent what the North did to the South. Which is wrong, no matter who you are, or which side you agreed with. If you were a member of the Confederacy, that didn't mean you owned slaves or supported slavery. It didn't even mean you were racist. If you were a member of the Nazi party, it was quite clear you were a racist and supported the eradication of Jews. You had to, if you wanted to be a member. That's why there were two separate arms of their military: the SS and the Wehrmacht.