Biggest issue I see is even with him being harder on his inmates they still had the same frequent flyer rate. As horrible as his jail was to them they still went back to crime and ended up back there.

12 hours ago, xPredatorz said:

Biggest issue I see is even with him being harder on his inmates they still had the same frequent flyer rate. As horrible as his jail was to them they still went back to crime and ended up back there.

Arpaio's jails are an example of why and how "tough on criminals" approaches just don't work. Criminals go through an experience that by its nature will make them harder and tougher, while not in any way preparing them for a non-criminal career on the outside. Reducing recidivism is about rehabilitation and preparing inmates for life on the outside, not punishing them harder and harder.

 

 

7 hours ago, orley said:

Arpaio's jails are an example of why and how "tough on criminals" approaches just don't work. Criminals go through an experience that by its nature will make them harder and tougher, while not in any way preparing them for a non-criminal career on the outside. Reducing recidivism is about rehabilitation and preparing inmates for life on the outside, not punishing them harder and harder.

 

 

I agree and disagree. We need to do something to deal with the already established career criminals. The problem I really see if we treat everyone the same. Whether you did something stupid and made a mistake and ended up in jail or you have been breaking the law since you were 12 with gang XYZ. The guy that made a mistake will still struggle to get a job once he gets out and is more likely to turn back to crime now to make ends meet. The other guy isnt likely to change even when you present other options.

We need to approach this from 3 angles:
1. We need to figure out a way to hinder gang recruitment. This should limit the amount of career criminals going into the system.

2. We need to develop programs to better rehab the people that are not career criminals or life time in jail types. Ideally less of the hard time jail more of a schoolhouse type rehab with access to medical and counseling. Figure out the why and attempt to fix it.
3. For the ones that just can not return to "normal" society we probably should look at changing how we jail them. Think more or less exporting them to an island provide them what they need and let them figure shit out themselves. This part is iffy since you essentially remove their rights. Biggest problem I see is that this is also likely to lead to guys that know they cant afford to get caught attempting to go out in a blaze of glory.

 

2 hours ago, xPredatorz said:

I agree and disagree. We need to do something to deal with the already established career criminals. The problem I really see if we treat everyone the same. Whether you did something stupid and made a mistake and ended up in jail or you have been breaking the law since you were 12 with gang XYZ. The guy that made a mistake will still struggle to get a job once he gets out and is more likely to turn back to crime now to make ends meet. The other guy isnt likely to change even when you present other options.

We need to approach this from 3 angles:
1. We need to figure out a way to hinder gang recruitment. This should limit the amount of career criminals going into the system.

2. We need to develop programs to better rehab the people that are not career criminals or life time in jail types. Ideally less of the hard time jail more of a schoolhouse type rehab with access to medical and counseling. Figure out the why and attempt to fix it.
3. For the ones that just can not return to "normal" society we probably should look at changing how we jail them. Think more or less exporting them to an island provide them what they need and let them figure shit out themselves. This part is iffy since you essentially remove their rights. Biggest problem I see is that this is also likely to lead to guys that know they cant afford to get caught attempting to go out in a blaze of glory.

 

I agree.

On 5/20/2017 at 2:06 AM, PhillBellic said:

And this is why Law Enforcement 'Positions' should never be decided upon by Electioneering.

The Sheriff is and elected position for the people by the people. We elect him so that he will enforce the laws that the people want enforced and not a Mayor, County Executive, Governor, President wants to have enforced. The Sheriff is the highest form of law enforcement in the United States Of America. The main mission for the Sheriff is to protect His/Her people, that elected them, from threats of crime, and abusive government.  And if the people do not like them, then they can elect someone else that holds the people's interest.  The Sheriff in the USA is of GREAT importance to keep abusive powers from doing what they want when they want. 

 

Back in the 90's the Federal Government passed a law federalizing all Sheriffs in the country, witch was illegal, when the federal law enforcement came and told the Sheriffs this, all the Sheriffs told the Federal agents to fuck off (parden my language).  

On 5/20/2017 at 2:38 AM, badass22 said:

@PhillBellic As far as I know, sheriffs are elected by the citizens because it's a typical tradition in the United States, since 1776.

So I guess you want the federal government to make a reform.

It is best for our country NOT to let the Federal Government rule too much.

On 6/20/2017 at 4:05 PM, orley said:

Joe Arpaio is the number one example of why Sheriff shouldn't be an elected position.

An elected Sheriff is an extremely important position to have in our country.  They have done bad sometimes, but most of the time they have done a great job stopping Government encroachment in this country. The Federal law enforcement answers to the President of the United States, The State law enforcement answers to the Governor of His/Her State, The local law enforcement agency's answer to the Mayor or County Executive, but the Sheriff answers only to the people of His/Her County and no one else. No leader of the country or the state or the city can make the Sheriff do anything.  This is because Government leaders can become corrupt.

On 10/20/2017 at 8:19 AM, xPredatorz said:

I agree and disagree. We need to do something to deal with the already established career criminals. The problem I really see if we treat everyone the same. Whether you did something stupid and made a mistake and ended up in jail or you have been breaking the law since you were 12 with gang XYZ. The guy that made a mistake will still struggle to get a job once he gets out and is more likely to turn back to crime now to make ends meet. The other guy isnt likely to change even when you present other options.

We need to approach this from 3 angles:
1. We need to figure out a way to hinder gang recruitment. This should limit the amount of career criminals going into the system.

2. We need to develop programs to better rehab the people that are not career criminals or life time in jail types. Ideally less of the hard time jail more of a schoolhouse type rehab with access to medical and counseling. Figure out the why and attempt to fix it.
3. For the ones that just can not return to "normal" society we probably should look at changing how we jail them. Think more or less exporting them to an island provide them what they need and let them figure shit out themselves. This part is iffy since you essentially remove their rights. Biggest problem I see is that this is also likely to lead to guys that know they cant afford to get caught attempting to go out in a blaze of glory.

 

(1) Focus on the schools that these kids go to. If you look at the rise of crime and the loss of schools and over crowding of schools, the lowering of standards, the thought process of unionizing of our school system (witch makes it hard for bad teachers to get fired), and politics infiltrating our schools, then you will start to see a connection.

 

(2) We already do that. It does not work for 90% of them because they do not want help with it. If a dope head does not want help then you cannot give them help. If you offer them help, without them asking for help, they will run over you and take everything that you have just to get the next high.  (this is also adding in drunks) I live in the "GHETTO" if you want to call it that, I have seen everything that you would want to offer to help them.  It sounds heartless but it is true. I have been screwed over, robbed, attacked by these people (some of them have been family) and I know many, many, people that think the same way that I do.  For them it is all about getting that next high.

 

(3) The answer to this is easy. Provide a punishment equal to the crime. That is something that is rarely handed out in our legal system.  Example, A dime bag of weed= 10 years, while Kidnapping raping, and torturing a 12 year old girl will only get you a year and a half with 365 days for good behavior.

 

Destroy mandatory minimums

Execute rapist, murderer's, torturer's

Make thief's get imprisoned and forced to work to pay back the person that they stole from.

 

There is an extremely big talk to be had on this subject but the issue with these answers is that people that have no idea what they are talking about are asking people that have no idea what those people are talking about or even the crap that they , the elected official, are talking about. 

If you would like answers to these problems then you must go to the people that have lived it or lived around it and have been effected by it.

 

When I say "you" I do not mean YOU but actually everyone in general that have not experienced these issues.

Edited October 22, 20178 yr by ToeBius