7 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

There's a difference. There's a fine line between going out onto the interstate and blocking innocent Americans from commuting, and peacefully, independently, and conveniently protesting an absurd racial law. Rosa Parks didn't hurt or affect a soul when she refused to get up from her seat. She did exactly what she should have been allowed to do, which was grab a seat anywhere on the bus. Standing in the middle of the interstate isn't comparable. Her protest wasn't legal because the laws were outrageous during that period of time against people of color. These aren't the same circumstances.

 

Hence why I said not to draw a comparison. My point was that whether or not protesting is legal or not is largely irrelevant. Its Civil Disobedience.

And as awful as the riots were in Ferguson, do you really think the FBI would already be talking about an investigation into this shooting had it not been for the extreme protests? No way. A local DA would've take the side of the cops and declined to pursue charges right off the bat, and this shooting would've been swept under the rug. BLM is starting to get results, and our justice system is just starting to reform itself. That's a great thing, and whether or not people are late to work isn't nearly as important as that.

But I'm not taking the sides of the protesters blocking traffic. its a dumb and annoying thing to do. It doesn't lead anyone to support the movement, it just agitates them and makes them less receptive to the message. But please don't forget that method and message are different things. Some OWS protestors somewhere may have done some dumb shit, but does that mean Wall Street is A-okay? No way.

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by Riley24

'Peaceful' protest in Dallas just resulted in multiple officers being shot. 

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Alton Sterling was reaching for his pocket, where the gun he was illegally in possession of was. You can see him reaching for it before they shoot. What should they've done? Tase him? They already did that, and it had no effect. I'd love for you to be fighting with someone with a gun and then say what you they should've done. Sure is easy to monday morning quarterback when you aren't the one in the situation. It wasn't a coincidence that the police were there either. They were there because multiple people said he pointed a gun at them.

Off topic a bit, but there was a more recent officer involved shooting. This is regarding the Castile shooting, in my home state Minnesota, the one that was live streamed on Facebook. I have seen so many people chime in, and black lives matter try to weaponize this. Well, you could not even see what happened. The video started after the incident occurred. There was another officer involved shooting here (Minnesota) in November, where the witness there said that the male was handcuffed when he was shot. That was not at all the case, but what sparked from that was pure chaos. BLM took the opportunity and ran with it. They blocked off major freeways during rush hour, not allowing parents to pick up their kids from school, daycare, etc. Not allowing emergency vehicles to get to dying people, fires, etc. What actually happened was that Jamar Clark assaulted his girlfriend so badly that she needed paramedics to assist her. Prior to police arriving Jamar Clark had fled the scene. Jamar had returned to the area and was confronting paramedics and disrupting their ability to render aid. When police arrived a fight ensued, and Jamar grabbed one of the Officer's guns, refusing to let go. 

So before we all go crazy and crucify the Officers involved, let's hold off and at the very least wait for some more evidence to surface. Because Alton Sterling did not get shot for selling CDs. To put forth that narrative is dishonest, just as 'hands up don't shoot' was dishonest.

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by McAwesome6934

13 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

Hence why I said not to draw a comparison. My point was that whether or not protesting is legal or not is largely irrelevant. Its Civil Disobedience.

And as awful as the riots were in Ferguson, do you really think the FBI would already be talking about an investigation into this shooting had it not been for the extreme protests? No way. A local DA would've take the side of the cops and declined to pursue charges right off the bat, and this shooting would've been swept under the rug. BLM is starting to get results, and our justice system is just starting to reform itself. That's a great thing, and whether or not people are late to work isn't nearly as important as that.

 

 

BLM is getting results because it claims that any police related shooting involving blacks is a result of racism. When BLM doesn't get what they want, they go trash things and attack the Police. 

People getting to work late is definitely important. It may not be important in relevance to the results that you hope to see within the justice system, but it's important to peoples financial stability; and declaring that it doesn't matter is inconsiderate and rude.

When you go out and do things such as block the interstate, you lose the support of people. I know countless people that believe the justice system needs to be reformed, but also think that BLM is a completely retarded organization.

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by TheDivineHustle

1 minute ago, TheDivineHustle said:

BLM is getting results because it claims that any police related shooting involving blacks is a result of racism. When BLM doesn't get what they want, they go trash things and attack the Police. 

People getting to work late is definitely important. It may not be important in relevance to the results that you hope to see within the justice system, but it's important to peoples financial stability.

When you go out and do things such as block the interstate, you lose the support of people. I know countless people that believe the justice system needs to be reformed, but also think that BLM is a completely retarded organization.

I never said it wasn't important, I just think that reforming the justice system is more important. And I think you saw the last paragraph I added, so I think we're on the same page. 

2 minutes ago, Riley24 said:

I never said it wasn't important, I just think that reforming the justice system is more important. And I think you saw the last paragraph I added, so I think we're on the same page. 

 

 

Yes, I don't have any problem with reforming the justice system. I'm not defending the system. I'm simply stating that blocking the interstate in itself just isn't the way to go. There are other, better ways to protest.

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by TheDivineHustle

18 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Yes, I don't have any problem with reforming the justice system. I'm not defending the system. I'm simply stating that blocking the interstate in itself just isn't the way to go. There are other, better ways to protest.

Totally agree.

25 minutes ago, McAwesome6934 said:

'Peaceful' protest in Dallas just resulted in multiple officers being shot. 

Unconfirmed that a protester fired the shots. The only reports I've read so far said that the shots came from a parking garage in the opposite direction of the protesters. Cop killers have always existed, and will always exist. If they use the protest as an excuse, its largely irrelevant. BLM doesn't have membership, anyone can claim they're doing violence for a movement. BLM was formed in response to violence, their message is of non-violence. Anyone that uses public outrage at cop killings to then kill cops clearly doesn't understand the point of the movement. But I know with 100% certainty Fox News will point to Dallas and say "see? BLM is a bunch of cop killers.". Its infuriating, but not nearly as infuriating as the violence itself.

Edited July 8, 20169 yr by Riley24

Guys, reports just came in that Dallas police were shot at! 

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shots-fired-dallas-amid-protest-recent-police-killings/story?id=40422456

10 officers shot, 3 killed..

21 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Some people are claiming that one of the officers actually planted the gun into his pocket during the scuffle on the ground, then shouted "GUN" and prompted the shooting. I had to close out of my Facebook tab because the amount of ignorance and straight up stupidity I see in those top comments with 40K likes are outrageous.

I don't understand why people think these things. Do people actually think that police officers enjoy shooting people? If they do then they are greatly mistaken. I have never met an officer who shows up for work and says "I want to get involved in a shooting/fight/[insert use of force] today".

I have to agree with her. Just think about this.