anyone found any good ones? I have found the escalade but im not a huge fan of it, it does handle like a champ but id rather see a 4door RAM or a Tahoe.

also anyone know a good non-ELS collection?

Please search for similar threads next time before posting one.

As Dhruv said, yes, do that.

However there are many Non-ELS vehicles on GTAPoliceMods and here, just look in the downloads section. Also, any mod can be renamed to replace a certain vehicle.

Hmmm interesting, i did search and have been searching and I am still searching. I was just wondering if anyone else has found ones they like. There is no "good" here is a list of all non-els vehicles. Ive been over must every GTAIV mod site. Thanks for assuming tho and if you know of a thread already made just like this (which i have been searching for) then please link it and be helpful. Just posting "use search" is of no help to anyone. Cause anyone with half a brain would use search first instead of waiting around for someone who may or may not reply with anything decent. But thank you for clearing up the search issue i wasnt sure what to do.

http://www.gta4-mods.com/vehicles/2007-chevrolet-tahoe-f3658 Also works with noose.

any ideas how to take would love to see a marked version with more lights as well, thanks mate! hmm wonder how hard it would be to do

Non-ELS setup supports a max of 8 lights only,dude.

I am very aware of the 8 light limit but thanks dude. the only reason i dont like ELS is because vehicles with their lights on dont take damage. the moment thats fixed im goin all ELS. for now non-ELS is where i like it. So please take your happy attitude else where.

I don't think that's fixable. It has to do with the core way ELS works.

If you'd like a marked non-els: http://www.gta4-mods.com/vehicles/2006-chevrolet-tahoe-z71-v12e-non-els-f13548

And cp702 is right, ELS uses extras, which, when spawned on a car, automatically fix the car. So, unless someone finds a way that doesn't use extras, you're stuck.

http://gtapolicemods.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=217