das war mit sicherheit  ein terroranschlag von wegen , selbst mord des co piloten frau mekel  verarscht uns  doch alle  !!!!

Stop it. You can't say that for now. And it's a english forum - please talk english.

It's definitely shocking to read the details on what they heard on the voice recorder. I don't want to write it here,

my prayers go out to all who are involved in this "accident". Not really to the co-pilot at the moment though.

Sorry if my english isn't the best by the way.

 

Suicidal more than likely, but we will never know for sure. 

If it was suicidal why would he crash a plane with 150 people in it? How inhumane, selfish..

 

The pilot apparently went through depression in the past, but was described as an enthusiastic man by the club he was in, so it's very strange.

Could be manically depressed (Not sure if spelled right)?

Edited March 26, 201511 yr by frustie

If it was suicidal why would he crash a plane with 150 people in it? How inhumane, selfish..

Insurance seems to be a big factor in cases like these. It's possible that the co-pilot had a large life insurance policy which would then triple(?) if he was killed in a work related incident.

Could be, sadly.

I find it truly sad to hear about a single person killing 150 just because he went mad.
And at some point I'm further more disgust by people complaining about our government would lie for some dumb reason!

And at some point I'm further more disgust by people complaining about our government would lie for some dumb reason!

 

Let me guess, are some idiots claiming it was shot down / blown up by any chance?

Let me guess, are some idiots claiming it was shot down / blown up by any chance?

 

They can try, but the records show the plane didn't blow up and actually crashed into the cliff. No explosion prior to the crash was seen nor heard by witnesses.

If it was suicidal why would he crash a plane with 150 people in it? How inhumane, selfish..

Wouldn't be the first time this happened. Take a look at SilkAir 185, EgyptAir 990, or FedEx 705.

Wouldn't be the first time this happened. Take a look at SilkAir 185, EgyptAir 990, or FedEx 705.

 

Didn't hear from those.. ;(

Apparently the copilot hid the fact that he was sick and judged inapt to work. Also, news here say that the pilot, who wasn't in the cockpit when the crash happened, tried to force the armored door with an axe to stop the copilot to keep the plane going down, but he seemingly couldn't achieve such in time.

 

150 lives wasted because of one crazy man. I think pilots should be controlled a lot more than today to avoid such things.

Edited March 27, 201511 yr by Hystery

150 lives wasted because of one crazy man. I think pilots should be controlled a lot more than today to avoid such things.

As a direct response to this incident, various airlines across the world have changed their cockpit policies. Now two crew members must always be present in the cockpit at all times, meaning that if the captain goes out to the toilet or whatever, another crew member will step in and keep an eye on things. This policy is already standard in the United States.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32075657

150 lives wasted because of one crazy man. I think pilots should be controlled a lot more than today to avoid such things.

They already are. Any commercial pilot with the slightest hint of psychological issues is enough for the FAA/ICAO to deem you mentally unfit and essentially revoke your license, preventing you from flying ever again. Even simply seeking therapy for depression or anxiety is enough for them to put a hold on your license pending investigation.

 

Now, that all sounds fine and dandy, right? Well, not really. Give me one person that is willing to sacrifice their livelihood and a career that they've worked to hard for just to speak to a therapist. Exactly, no one...would you? Many pilots just "deal with it" because the consequences of even being suspected of having depression is even worse than just trying to manage it on their own. So now you have depressed pilots roaming around afraid to seek treatment (besides alcohol) because of the restrictive regulations imposed by the FAA and ICAO.

They already are. Any commercial pilot with the slightest hint of psychological issues is enough for the FAA/ICAO to deem you mentally unfit and essentially revoke your license, preventing you from flying ever again. Even simply seeking therapy for depression or anxiety is enough for them to put a hold on your license pending investigation.

 

Now, that all sounds fine and dandy, right? Well, not really. Give me one person that is willing to sacrifice their livelihood and a career that they've worked to hard for just to speak to a therapist. Exactly, no one...would you? Many pilots just "deal with it" because the consequences of even being suspected of having depression is even worse than just trying to manage it on their own. So now you have depressed pilots roaming around afraid to seek treatment (besides alcohol) because of the restrictive regulations imposed by the FAA and ICAO.

 

Maybe, but on the other hand they have lives of hundred persons in their hands, if they can't cope with that then they are not made for this job. When I take a plane, I expect the pilot to be in good conditions to bring everyone safely to our destination. If he was piloting alone, no problem, he kills himself and no one else is involved. But there, 150 innocent people got killed because of this.

Maybe, but on the other hand they have lives of hundred persons in their hands, if they can't cope with that then they are not made for this job. When I take a plane, I expect the pilot to be in good conditions to bring everyone safely to our destination. If he was piloting alone, no problem, he kills himself and no one else is involved. But there, 150 innocent people got killed because of this.

I don't deny that...I actually agree with you that if you're not mentally fit to fly a metal tube that ferries people at 500MPH at 35,000ft, you shouldn't be doing it. Unfortunately, the current regulations don't really solve that issue either. It creates an environment where pilots are afraid to seek treatment, so you have untreated and potentially unstable pilots sitting in the cockpit, which is arguably a lot worse than having someone that is being treated with antidepressants.

Edited March 27, 201511 yr by LtCarman

Maybe, but on the other hand they have lives of hundred persons in their hands, if they can't cope with that then they are not made for this job. When I take a plane, I expect the pilot to be in good conditions to bring everyone safely to our destination. If he was piloting alone, no problem, he kills himself and no one else is involved. But there, 150 innocent people got killed because of this.

But you don't have the option of "don't have depressed pilots flying." If ever seeking help for psychological issues results in the loss of your license and end of your aviation career (like it very often does already), you end up with depressed pilots either secretly seeking help, self-medicating, or not getting any kind of help at all. You don't get people to stop flying; you get people hiding their issues from medical examiners. Your options are "have pilots with possible psychological issues have help and support, let them go on leave when needed, and then integrate them back into the cockpit if/when they get better" (requires a change in culture, currently it's hard to ever return to any cockpit if you've sought psychological help) or "have pilots with issues not mention them to anyone, have them in a cockpit when their condition is at its worst without anyone knowing they have issues or helping them cope."