I don't know what to tell you other than that you're wrong...

I respect your opinion I ask that you respect mine. If I didn't respect your opinion I wouldn't have responded.

What exactly are you saying I'm wrong about? I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. I believe that political correctness is blinding the world from common sense, the issue of Islam. What is it that you're saying?

I respect your opinion I ask that you respect mine. If I didn't respect your opinion I wouldn't have responded.

What exactly are you saying I'm wrong about? I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. I believe that political correctness is blinding the world from common sense, the issue of Islam. What is it that you're saying?

"I'm not saying that all Muslims are terrorists, but I'm also NOT saying that all Muslims are NOT terrorists."

 

That's an absolutely ludicrous statement. 

 

I'm not saying that all Christians bomb abortion clinics, but I'm also NOT saying that all Christians wouldn't bomb abortion clinics.

 

I'm not saying that all Salvadoran males are members of MS-13, but I'm also NOT saying that all Salvadoran males are NOT members of MS-13. 

 

I'm not saying saying all Germans between 1933-1945 were Nazis, but I'm also NOT saying that all Germans between 1933-1945 weren't Nazis. 

 

Do you see my point now? What you've said holds absolutely no water. I had a Muslim roommate last semester. Dad is from Pakistan, mom is from Bangladesh. Visits Pakistan every year if he can. He's a Muslim. Is he a terrorist? Absolutely not. 

"I'm not saying that all Muslims are terrorists, but I'm also NOT saying that all Muslims are NOT terrorists."

That's an absolutely ludicrous statement.

I'm not saying that all Christians bomb abortion clinics, but I'm also NOT saying that all Christians wouldn't bomb abortion clinics.

I'm not saying that all Salvadoran males are members of MS-13, but I'm also NOT saying that all Salvadoran males are NOT members of MS-13.

I'm not saying saying all Germans between 1933-1945 were Nazis, but I'm also NOT saying that all Germans between 1933-1945 weren't Nazis.

Do you see my point now? What you've said holds absolutely no water. I had a Muslim roommate last semester. Dad is from Pakistan, mom is from Bangladesh. Visits Pakistan every year if he can. He's a Muslim. Is he a terrorist? Absolutely not.

How do you know that he doesn't have any intention of committing an act of terrorism? Only he knows what's going on inside of his head.

How do you know that he doesn't have any intention of committing an act of terrorism? Only he knows what's going on inside of his head.

Then you take what you've said about Muslims and apply it to anything, as I did. It works for literally any given segmentation of people you chose. Anyone, regardless of assigned segmentation, can do or think anything. That's why I see your point as being moot. 

How do you know that he doesn't have any intention of committing an act of terrorism? Only he knows what's going on inside of his head.

How do I know you're not planning on committing an act of terrorism? What about my roommate? My best friend? My siblings? My dog? If you go by "I don't know everyone from X group is not a terrorist because I can't know what's going on inside their head," you have to realize that that argument applies to literally every single group whose members are physically capable of committing a terrorist act that you are not a member of. Every one. The only person who you can be sure isn't a terrorist is yourself.

Your statement is akin to "I have no way to know that everything isn't just a hallucination of mine and that I'm not just a brain in a jar." You could use it as a jumping-off point for a philosophical argument about the limits of knowledge about other people's state of mind, but that's not really what this thread is about, nor is it how you seem to view the statement. If you actually think that the claim says something about Islam, then that opinion deserves absolutely no respect. "I can't prove group X isn't bad because I can't know what someone else is thinking" has no bearing on if group X is good or bad, because it applies equally well to every human being besides yourself.

While Were At It why Don't we Talk About the Koreans as well? Seems Were Going to Muslim Let's Bring Everything In.

I'm not a Racist Person But Why do we Need to Get In to Islam.....

While Were At It why Don't we Talk About the Koreans as well? Seems Were Going to Muslim Let's Bring Everything In.

I'm not a Racist Person But Why do we Need to Get In to Islam.....

Because ISIS, the Crusades, and Obama's comparison of the two is what this thread is about. I know this thread has gone all over the place (at least half of it is really off-topic), but this particular direction is at least related to the topic.

Then you take what you've said about Muslims and apply it to anything, as I did. It works for literally any given segmentation of people you chose. Anyone, regardless of assigned segmentation, can do or think anything. That's why I see your point as being moot.

I have nothing to say about this because you have simply proven my argument incorrect. I'm not a thick headed fool. I know when something is a lost cause, and my argument against you is a lost cause. Thank for you for at least keeping the discussion mature. Have a good night.

While Were At It why Don't we Talk About the Koreans as well? Seems Were Going to Muslim Let's Bring Everything In.

I'm not a Racist Person But Why do we Need to Get In to Islam.....

Islam is a part of the discussion here because it directly relates to the OP.

How do I know you're not planning on committing an act of terrorism? What about my roommate? My best friend? My siblings? My dog? If you go by "I don't know everyone from X group is not a terrorist because I can't know what's going on inside their head," you have to realize that that argument applies to literally every single group whose members are physically capable of committing a terrorist act that you are not a member of. Every one. The only person who you can be sure isn't a terrorist is yourself.

Your statement is akin to "I have no way to know that everything isn't just a hallucination of mine and that I'm not just a brain in a jar." You could use it as a jumping-off point for a philosophical argument about the limits of knowledge about other people's state of mind, but that's not really what this thread is about, nor is it how you seem to view the statement. If you actually think that the claim says something about Islam, then that opinion deserves absolutely no respect. "I can't prove group X isn't bad because I can't know what someone else is thinking" has no bearing on if group X is good or bad, because it applies equally well to every human being besides yourself.

If you don't respect my opinion then I wish not to debate with you. Do not try and initiate one with me.

Edited February 9, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

Why does it seem that every topic in this thread turns out like this?

Why does it seem that every topic in this thread turns out like this?

A good question. I enjoy being on the LCPDFR.com forum, but this is the only forum I participate on where topics like this go to shit.

I don't know what the both of you would expect when people make asinine remarks based on absolutely nothing ("Barry is Muslim" and the rest of the nonsense in this thread) which are followed up with logical responses based in reality. Crazy doesn't give a damn whether something makes sense, as long as it sounds good to Crazy. That's why these threads "go to shit." 

I find this incredibly amusing. During every presidency, there's a fringe group of people that hate on the president in immature, pointless, and often insane ways. Now I don't have that much love for President Obama, I'm a liberal at heart. President Obama hasn't done nearly enough when it comes to financial reform, stopping the out of control military industrial complex, protecting the 4th Amendment, and getting money out of politics. And I will always be the FIRST one to criticize him when he has done something legitimately wrong. But if you actually think Obama is a Muslim, you're an unbelievable idiot. You're not part of the rational world, and there's nothing I can do to pull you back in.

 

But its funny to watch all of the misguided and mislead conservative fringe-members pander around the internet, trying to find some reason to justify the hate they feel. Its not intelligent, its not productive, and history will remember the fringe not as a watchdog of the government, but simply the fringe.

 

I'm sure I'll be called "another northern liberal on his high horse", but I would absolutely love to speak and rationally debate with a real conservative. 

 

So can we all just calm down and if this thread is to continue, can we act like rational human beings? Thank you.

Are you a psykick? If not, how is it that you can tell what the future would be like without the idea of political correctness? Political correctness is what's holding society back.

 

That's fun to use the argument of "we can't know what will happen in the future" against someone when I saw you saying on different topic several times "If we did that, world would be better" and stuff. And even on this very thread, when you say:

 

Like Martin Luther King, I had a dream. I had a dream of a world where one day there was Islam, and the next day there wasn't. The world was at the brink of absolute international peace.

 

So I'll say the same: Are you a psychic? How could you know that Islam would eradicate every problem in the world? Do you really think that every conflict right now is related to Islam? What about territory conflicts in Africa? Stability in South America? Economical crisis? Immigration? Are all those problems related to Islam in any way? I don't think so, although they are more than likely to bring serious conflicts nowadays. So no, your point is invalid.

 

I feel that political correctness holds society back because it contradicts with common sense. We're so worried about offending a particular group of people, that we're being blinded to what's obvious. Islamic terrorism is taking a sharp increase, and because of this "Not all Muslims are terrorists" ideology, people are avoiding reality. Nobody wants to admit that there is a problem with Islamic terrorism because nobody wants to offend Muslims.

 

As stated several times "Not all Muslims are terrorists" is not an ideology, it's a fact. Stating the contrary is making a fake assumption by judging an entire community for the acts of a few. Do you see me saying "All christians are crazy people stopping women from aborting, slowing down social progress in our society and creating communautarism as much as other religions"? No, because I don't judge the whole christian community based on the acts of a few. It's a matter of logic. Besides, a good majority of the muslim community is condemning ISIS actions and speeches, and would more than likely fight alongside us if it was to defend ourselves against them. So again, your point is invalid.

 

If you don't respect my opinion then I wish not to debate with you. Do not try and initiate one with me.

 

And then you wonder why those topics are taken down so often. We are debating, we prove you from a+b that your arguments are invalid, based on nothing more than assumptions and segregationist propaganda, and the only thing you have to answer is "You don't respect my opinion, don't talk to me". I mean, someone disagreeing with you necessarly doesn't respect your opinion? Someone can't disagree with you? And if they do, you ignore them? That's not a way to behave on a thread related to politics and current events in society in my opinion.

That's fun to use the argument of "we can't know what will happen in the future" against someone when I saw you saying on different topic several times "If we did that, world would be better" and stuff. And even on this very thread, when you say:

So I'll say the same: Are you a psychic? How could you know that Islam would eradicate every problem in the world? Do you really think that every conflict right now is related to Islam? What about territory conflicts in Africa? Stability in South America? Economical crisis? Immigration? Are all those problems related to Islam in any way? I don't think so, although they are more than likely to bring serious conflicts nowadays. So no, your point is invalid.

As stated several times "Not all Muslims are terrorists" is not an ideology, it's a fact. Stating the contrary is making a fake assumption by judging an entire community for the acts of a few. Do you see me saying "All christians are crazy people stopping women from aborting, slowing down social progress in our society and creating communautarism as much as other religions"? No, because I don't judge the whole christian community based on the acts of a few. It's a matter of logic. Besides, a good majority of the muslim community is condemning ISIS actions and speeches, and would more than likely fight alongside us if it was to defend ourselves against them. So again, your point is invalid.

And then you wonder why those topics are taken down so often. We are debating, we prove you from a+b that your arguments are invalid, based on nothing more than assumptions and segregationist propaganda, and the only thing you have to answer is "You don't respect my opinion, don't talk to me". I mean, someone disagreeing with you necessarly doesn't respect your opinion? Someone can't disagree with you? And if they do, you ignore them? That's not a way to behave on a thread related to politics and current events in society in my opinion.

Read back again, he blatantly stated that he doesn't respect my opinion. I don't mind debating, but when you start insulting my opinion, then I think you're an asswipe.

Edit: also, you need to learn to read the whole argument. I already stated that my argument was invalid. Read the whole thing before posting, maybe it'll make more sense to you if you tried that.

I can see that I'm the only person here that has a different opinion. This topic needs to die, and to support that I will no longer be posting. 1v5+ is a pointless debate, and my opinion isn't respected. If you, for some unearthly reason, wish to continue the debate, PM me and I'd be happy to debate with you 1v1.

Edited February 9, 201511 yr by CriminalKillaz

I'll just go ahead and leave this here.

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/Articles/Liberals.htm

I'll just go ahead and leave this here.

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/Articles/Liberals.htm

 

60 stereotypes based on nothing more than fake assumptions, like half of the things you put on the table and claim as facts. I could right twice or thrice more stereotypes about conservatives and christians. Besides, it's not related to this topic in any way whatsoever. Being a liberal or a conservative should not be a justification for your choices. But it's funny to see that even though you said you'd let this topic sink, you still try in a very desperate attempt to provoke people for no reason and try to drive this topic off-track once again. Nice try, I'd say.

60 stereotypes based on nothing more than fake assumptions, like half of the things you put on the table and claim as facts. I could right twice or thrice more stereotypes about conservatives and christians. Besides, it's not related to this topic in any way whatsoever. Being a liberal or a conservative should not be a justification for your choices. But it's funny to see that even though you said you'd let this topic sink, you still try in a very desperate attempt to provoke people for no reason and try to drive this topic off-track once again. Nice try, I'd say.

You're assuming that I made a desperate attempt. Nothing more than a "fake assumption" as you say. If you wish to continue PM me or I'll just block you.

I'll just go ahead and leave this here.

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/Articles/Liberals.htm

Read the first line of the first bullet point and stopped. You're a troll.

The article isn't wrong that the definition of liberal has changed over the years, but you could say the same about the definition of conservative. This article just puts forth claims that you've already acknowledged is an invalid argument. I don't know what you're tying to do other than make yourself look like a partisan hack by shitting on what you perceive as liberalism.

I think the discussion of the prayer breakfast and all subsequent discussions has found its end.

Edited February 9, 201511 yr by SIR_Sergeant

I'll just go ahead and leave this here.

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/Articles/Liberals.htm

 

 

This is complete BS in almost every possible way, why do you have to bash liberals? 

This is complete BS in almost every possible way, why do you have to bash liberals?

I can have a decent debate with you, unlike many others. If you'd like to debate this topic PM me and I don't mind debating with you, Chester. You are always open minded and considerate.