I wish all was happy and jolly here in the U.S. but it's not. It's going to get worse lol. And you're saying you'd rather have a guy in office, who deliberately tears down the U.S., releasing taliban leaders for a deserter,and  putting us in worse debt (yes, bush did have a cause in  it but our debt was there before bush) and having a guy and an administration who believes that more gun laws will stop gun violence? How many scandals have happened during his presidency? Quite a few. This guy isn't fit to be a president. Has no business experience whatsoever. If you're worried about paying a few more dollars in taxes than all that shit obama has going on, then I really don't know what's going to help us.

All this debt stuff has been going on for years even before obama came, they just didn't really talk about till now. And i say bush is the cause for most of this stuff and obama is trying to clean up the mess bush made and yes he might have made a few mistakes but dont we all make them!!!

 

( I would curse but there are sensitive administrators that dont allow it)

Yeah it has man. And if he is trying to clean it up....He isn't doing a decent job at it. He's making it worse. And with being the highest elected official in office...there's not much room for mistakes..

Eh, the next "leader" will probably be worse or same Dr. Obama, this country is going to shit and I can feel it. Lets hope I'm wrong.

hopefully it's not Hillary...then we are really screwed. We need to start over as a nation. Everybody in D.C. needs to go.

And i say bush is the cause for most of this stuff and obama is trying to clean up the mess bush made and yes he might have made a few mistakes but dont we all make them!!!

 

I'm not going to say anything, but I'm going to leave this here:

It definitely seems like he's "cleaning" things up by this chart

 

Note that this data is based on direct information from the White house, as stated in the source:

http://augmentedtrader.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/four-charts-illustrating-the-spending-and-revenue-records-of-presidents-clinton-bush-and-obama/

Yeah it has man. And if he is trying to clean it up....He isn't doing a decent job at it. He's making it worse. And with being the highest elected official in office...there's not much room for mistakes..

hopefully it's not Hillary...then we are really screwed. We need to start over as a nation. Everybody in D.C. needs to go.

i agree with u on some parts but you really can't expect somethings to get better in a couple of years. sometimes you have to take a couple of steps back to take 10 steps forward. now the whole shootings and stuff really isn't obamas fault. we just have a lot of crazy people who dropped out of school or were kicked out doing these things. Thats why i think he is doing a good thing by helping people pay for college and stuff. this would really help because everybody ive arrested for murder and other crimes didn't go to college or dropped out. now kids should have a little confidence in getting to college now he's trying to help.

I'm not going to say anything, but I'm going to leave this here:

It definitely seems like he's "cleaning" things up by this chart

 

Note that this data is based on direct information from the White house, as stated in the source:

http://augmentedtrader.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/four-charts-illustrating-the-spending-and-revenue-records-of-presidents-clinton-bush-and-obama/

well after having bush F things up what do you expect to happen in the next few years? Bush has caused us to pay the price and it just so happens to be a big A** price. It wouldn't be any different with anyone else. Well with Romney i think it would have been a even bigger price.

I don't mind paying a few more dollars in taxes. Just leave me and my gun owning, law abiding buddies alone. And obama takes FULL advantage of these school shootings. He effing loves them, he has a reason to come after our guns lol. But romney has experience in business and handling money. I'd trust him more than obama who has none whatsoever.

I don't mind paying a few more dollars in taxes. Just leave me and my gun owning, law abiding buddies alone. And obama takes FULL advantage of these school shootings. He effing loves them, he has a reason to come after our guns lol. But romney has experience in business and handling money. I'd trust him more than obama who has none whatsoever.

that was some of the most s**ty thing ive ever heard. why make middle class and poor people pay more taxes? btw he hasn't taken your gun has he and im pretty sure he doesn't like school shootings. thats the problem everybody thinks they know every d**n thing about obama. And im pretty sure if Romney was president you wouldn't have a dime just like everybody else he pretty much schamned them from their money.

that was some of the most s**ty thing ive ever heard. why make middle class and poor people pay more taxes? btw he hasn't taken your gun has he and im pretty sure he doesn't like school shootings. thats the problem everybody thinks they know every d**n thing about obama. And im pretty sure if Romney was president you wouldn't have a dime just like everybody else he pretty much schamned them from their money.

lol. I've worked my butt off for what I have. Too many people on welfare, and obama supports they're lazy asses. And you think obama cares about you? He doesn't even know who you are so stop acting like he cares about you lol. He doesn't care for no one but his own. And i'm pretty sure if romney was president, more people would have jobs and not be living off of welfare. And who did he scam? Romney is also Pro-isreal unlike obama. And due to obama and his crappy healthcare bill, which he said nobody would lose their doctors or insurance...I lost both of mine thanks to him. My premium went up 30 dollars just to go in for a check up. 

I'll just leave these here.

http://www.military.com/video/forces/marine-corps/obama-forgets-to-salute-marine/2418370014001/

lol. I've worked my butt off for what I have. Too many people on welfare, and obama supports they're lazy asses. And you think obama cares about you? He doesn't even know who you are so stop acting like he cares about you lol. He doesn't care for no one but his own. And i'm pretty sure if romney was president, more people would have jobs and not be living off of welfare. And who did he scam? Romney is also Pro-isreal unlike obama. And due to obama and his crappy healthcare bill, which he said nobody would lose their doctors or insurance...I lost both of mine thanks to him. My premium went up 30 dollars just to go in for a check up. 

First of all i have met him already at a state trooper conference in d.c so yeah he probably remembers me. Second all that s**t was coming to you because of bush's mistakes. Third many people and friends of mine lost their business because of Romney. Now they are having hard times because of it and i bet some of those people are on welfare because of Romney. And finally fourth you don't know what obama care about. the only person that knows for sure is him so stop trying to act like you know everything about him. And you are talking about your premium going up $30 where if romney was in it could have went up more plus your taxes going up a lot more. if you dont care about paying a few hundred more dollars for romney then why do u care about paying $30 more with obama?

lol. I've worked my butt off for what I have. Too many people on welfare, and obama supports they're lazy asses. And you think obama cares about you? He doesn't even know who you are so stop acting like he cares about you lol. He doesn't care for no one but his own. And i'm pretty sure if romney was president, more people would have jobs and not be living off of welfare.

You're pretty sure based on...what, exactly? You *do* realize that the President has pretty limited control over the economy, right? Taxes are set by Congress, fiscal policy is set by the Federal Reserve (who have a decent amount of independence from the president, because fiscal policy is the sort of thing that is easy and tempting to screw up for short-term political gain), hiring is done by businesses, federal spending is, again, capped by Congress...

Neither you nor anyone else knows what the result would be if anyone besides Obama were elected president. I mean, sure, in your head, Romney may have done a perfect job, but the only thing that has any sort of objective validity is what actually happened. What-ifs can be interesting, but always need to be prefixed with "but this didn't actually happen, and is just speculative".

First of all i have met him already at a state trooper conference in d.c so yeah he probably remembers me.

Yeah...no. Sorry, but the president meets a LOT of people, and doesn't remember most of them. You don't get to be president without being good with people, but it's really, really unlikely that he remembers a random person from a random conference.

First of all i have met him already at a state trooper conference in d.c so yeah he probably remembers me. Second all that s**t was coming to you because of bush's mistakes. Third many people and friends of mine lost their business because of Romney. Now they are having hard times because of it and i bet some of those people are on welfare because of Romney. And finally fourth you don't know what obama care about. the only person that knows for sure is him so stop trying to act like you know everything about him. And you are talking about your premium going up $30 where if romney was in it could have went up more plus your taxes going up a lot more. if you dont care about paying a few hundred more dollars for romney then why do u care about paying $30 more with obama?

lol and you know what that 1,000 and something page book of obamacare was about ?  most of congress and senate didn't even have enough time to read it before he passed it.Don't be a hypocrite buddy. And because the guy lied to everybody? Thats why i care? lol wouldn't you??? And Pelosi and her famous last words on obamacare..."we have to pass it before we know whats in it". What a great administration lol 

Edited June 12, 201411 yr by treyjames

Big thing with changing "leadership" after a Prime Ministers or Presidents term in Office they spend millions upon billions trying to undo what the last people in power tried to implement to make it "better" so it really fucks things up, the government is the ones messing up the system, this is how broke the U.S government is, these are Department Of Homeland Security Tahoes getting repoed today by another driver, shows how broke they are..

You're pretty sure based on...what, exactly? You *do* realize that the President has pretty limited control over the economy, right? Taxes are set by Congress, fiscal policy is set by the Federal Reserve (who have a decent amount of independence from the president, because fiscal policy is the sort of thing that is easy and tempting to screw up for short-term political gain), hiring is done by businesses, federal spending is, again, capped by Congress...

Neither you nor anyone else knows what the result would be if anyone besides Obama were elected president. I mean, sure, in your head, Romney may have done a perfect job, but the only thing that has any sort of objective validity is what actually happened. What-ifs can be interesting, but always need to be prefixed with "but this didn't actually happen, and is just speculative".

Yeah...no. Sorry, but the president meets a LOT of people, and doesn't remember most of them. You don't get to be president without being good with people, but it's really, really unlikely that he remembers a random person from a random conference.

obama does whatever the hell he wants to do. HIm and his executive orders. 

But cp, you are correct though. You made good points. And ASTK9, no hard feelings man, just a fun debate. I'm out guys!

obama does whatever the hell he wants to do. HIm and his executive orders.

Your point? Are you saying other presidents have an immediate boss, thus not doing what they want? (and don't say the voters, that's not a "boss" - someone who followed opinion polls for every decision would be a terrible president, and the voters have no actual supervisory a president) Or that other presidents haven't issued executive orders?

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see your edit. My points now stand as rhetorical points, not addressed to you.

First of all i have met him already at a state trooper conference in d.c so yeah he probably remembers me. Second all that s**t was coming to you because of bush's mistakes. Third many people and friends of mine lost their business because of Romney. Now they are having hard times because of it and i bet some of those people are on welfare because of Romney. And finally fourth you don't know what obama care about. the only person that knows for sure is him so stop trying to act like you know everything about him. And you are talking about your premium going up $30 where if romney was in it could have went up more plus your taxes going up a lot more. if you dont care about paying a few hundred more dollars for romney then why do u care about paying $30 more with obama?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/03/24/how-much-youve-paid-to-promote-obamacare-n1813699

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/10/great-news-we-spent-634-million-on-obamacare-exchanges/

http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/obamacare-healthcare-gov-website-cost/#!XIC68

Why Obamacare is bad. Need me to post more reasons?

Edited June 12, 201411 yr by aCoD Prodigy

good debate guys, i'll see ya!

Edited June 12, 201411 yr by treyjames

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/03/24/how-much-youve-paid-to-promote-obamacare-n1813699

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/10/great-news-we-spent-634-million-on-obamacare-exchanges/

http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/obamacare-healthcare-gov-website-cost/#!XIC68

Why Obamacare is bad. Need me to post more reasons?

why are you quoting me and telling me about obama care because i wasn't talking about it.

good debate guys, i'll see ya!

that was fun!! no hard feelings neither.

First of all i have met him already at a state trooper conference in d.c so yeah he probably remembers me. Second all that s**t was coming to you because of bush's mistakes. Third many people and friends of mine lost their business because of Romney. Now they are having hard times because of it and i bet some of those people are on welfare because of Romney. And finally fourth you don't know what obama care about. the only person that knows for sure is him so stop trying to act like you know everything about him. And you are talking about your premium going up $30 where if romney was in it could have went up more plus your taxes going up a lot more. if you dont care about paying a few hundred more dollars for romney then why do u care about paying $30 more with obama?

This has got to be the worst post in here. All I see are 'ifs' and would bes.

"And finally fourth you don't know what obama care about. the only person that knows for sure is him"

Is that a joke? Do you know what you're saying right now? So its ok for Obama to overhaul healthcare if we don't know what its about? Guess what? Now you get to pay for an illegal aliens hospital visit.

also about Romney, stop making stuff up. I live in mass and he was governor here till 2007 and did a great job in fact. it even going to respond to the end of your post

This has got to be the worst post in here. All I see are 'ifs' and would bes.

"And finally fourth you don't know what obama care about. the only person that knows for sure is him"

Is that a joke? Do you know what you're saying right now? So its ok for Obama to overhaul healthcare if we don't know what its about? Guess what? Now you get to pay for an illegal aliens hospital visit.

also about Romney, stop making stuff up. I live in mass and he was governor here till 2007 and did a great job in fact. it even going to respond to the end of your post

Damn you guys are still at it. I was just having a fun debate with the other guy. By the way i wasn't talking about any healthcare stuff.

I'll just leave these here.

http://www.military.com/video/forces/marine-corps/obama-forgets-to-salute-marine/2418370014001/

LMFAO. Good lord, those videos are hilarious.