As a licensed Security Officer in the state of California... (Sad I know) I am allowed to open carry while on duty, or while heading to a range as long as I have my permits and credentials.  I love the idea of open and concealed carry. An armed society is a polite society.

 

That's the same thing that I say, but for me no permits are required for open carry, only concealed.

That's the same thing that I say, but for me no permits are required for open carry, only concealed.

 

Same here in NC. I think any person (besides felons) that wants to carry a gun should be allowed. If a criminal new that someone that he / she was going to mugg or rob could have a gun, crime just might go down. I'm all for guns

 

"Guns don't kill people, People kill people"

 

A gun is a tool, NOT A TOY. A hammer is a tool that could kill a person aswell, but I don't see Obama talking about limiting the amount of hammers or screw drivers.

 

That's my opinion

I have stated before in topics my opinions on open carry, I have since taken into consideration people right to defend their families, but my problem with people and their "right to bare arms" is the most common answer when asked why they need to carry an AR-15 Assault Rifle is.. because I can & in my opinion is quite ignorant and an abuse of the that so called "right", why not just a handgun kept at home? why do you NEED to carry a military grade weapons? it makes people feel un easy & makes a lot of people feel unsafe because your exercising YOUR right, sorry but if you come to Canada and walk up on me with a gun I'm going to break your face open with it, why? because we don't see that stuff as okay, and people that do, chances are, are ex military or have just moved to the states.

 

@ The Admiral- You can't build things with a gun, can you?

Same here in NC. I think any person (besides felons) that wants to carry a gun should be allowed. If a criminal new that someone that he / she was going to mugg or rob could have a gun, crime just might go down. I'm all for guns

 

"Guns don't kill people, People kill people"

 

A gun is a tool, NOT A TOY. A hammer is a tool that could kill a person aswell, but I don't see Obama talking about limiting the amount of hammers or screw drivers.

 

That's my opinion

 

The difference between a hammer and a gun is that the only purpose of carrying a gun in public is to hurt or kill someone, whether that be in self defense or not, and a hammer is a tool.

 

(Notice I said "carrying a gun in public": I do not mean hunting or going to a shooting range)

 

I don't really have an opinion on the subject right now, I recognize the positives and negatives of this issue, I'm only using logic here.

Edited January 29, 201412 yr by willpv23

The difference between a hammer and a gun is that the only purpose of carrying a gun in public is to hurt or kill someone, whether that be in self defense or not, and a hammer is a tool.

 

(Notice I said "carrying a gun in public": I do not mean hunting or going to a shooting range)

 

I don't really have an opinion on the subject right now, I recognize the positives and negatives of this issue, I'm only using logic here.

 

What you just said makes no since. So you are saying that all people who carry a gun in public is looking to kill or hurt someone? If I had a gun and someone was to start shooting I MIGHT be able to stop it BEFOR someone get killed or hurt, all you could do is hide, run and call the police. People need to look at the benefits of carrying a gun and STOP living in a fantasy world where everyone is nice and safe. I see people down here carrying gun and I don't see them shooting and hurting people. I hate to say this but your logic is not making since, think, lets say every good person had a gun there might be a chance that crime just might not happen because a robber would be scared about getting shot.   

 

What you just said makes no since. So you are saying that all people who carry a gun in public is looking to kill or hurt someone? If I had a gun and someone was to start shooting I MIGHT be able to stop it BEFOR someone get killed or hurt, all you could do is hide, run and call the police. People need to look at the benefits of carrying a gun and STOP living in a fantasy world where everyone is nice and safe. I see people down here carrying gun and I don't see them shooting and hurting people. I hate to say this but your logic is not making since, think, lets say every good person had a gun there might be a chance that crime just might not happen because a robber would be scared about getting shot.   

 

 

I can see where your coming from with the hammer & gun analgy, other people don't see owning a gun as safe..

But why does anyone have to be scared? your just repeating the cycle and making people that dislike guns scared of you, I don't own a gun & I feel safe leaving my home everyday because I'm not paranoid & given the amount of Ex Military that believe in this, most if not all have PTSD, so why again is it a good idea? criminal or not, you never know whats going on in someones mind, do you?

 

I have strobe lights in my vehicle, how does that make you feel?

 

I have stated before in topics my opinions on open carry, I have since taken into consideration people right to defend their families, but my problem with people and their "right to bare arms" is the most common answer when asked why they need to carry an AR-15 Assault Rifle is.. because I can & in my opinion is quite ignorant and an abuse of the that so called "right", why not just a handgun kept at home? why do you NEED to carry a military grade weapons? it makes people feel un easy & makes a lot of people feel unsafe because your exercising YOUR right, sorry but if you come to Canada and walk up on me with a gun I'm going to break your face open with it, why? because we don't see that stuff as okay, and people that do, chances are, are ex military or have just moved to the states.

 

@ The Admiral- You can't build things with a gun, can you?

 

I get what your saying. As I said earlier I don't really support going around with an AR on your back or anything like that, but I will support carrying a handgun on my waist till the day I die.

What you just said makes no since. So you are saying that all people who carry a gun in public is looking to kill or hurt someone? If I had a gun and someone was to start shooting I MIGHT be able to stop it BEFOR someone get killed or hurt, all you could do is hide, run and call the police. People need to look at the benefits of carrying a gun and STOP living in a fantasy world where everyone is nice and safe. I see people down here carrying gun and I don't see them shooting and hurting people. I hate to say this but your logic is not making since, think, lets say every good person had a gun there might be a chance that crime just might not happen because a robber would be scared about getting shot.   

 

 

Where did I say "looking to kill or hurt someone?" I'm talking about the functions of the gun itself, not the intentions of the carrier. What I'm saying is that the only purpose of a gun in public is to kill or hurt someone. What else does a gun do besides that and scare people?

 

(Also, again, "in public," not talking about hunting or a shooting range here)

Edited January 30, 201412 yr by willpv23

I can see where your coming from with the hammer & gun analgy, other people don't see owning a gun as safe..

But why does anyone have to be scared? your just repeating the cycle and making people that dislike guns scared of you, I don't own a gun & I feel safe leaving my home everyday because I'm not paranoid & given the amount of Ex Military that believe in this, most if not all have PTSD, so why again is it a good idea? criminal or not, you never know whats going on in someones mind, do you?

 

I have strobe lights in my vehicle, how does that make you feel?

 

 

Well I never mint to "scare" anyone, i'm just saying no matter what taking guns away will never stop crime and other people from hurting others. And no you never know what is going through a persons mind, but if I see a person carrying a gun and he has it holstered I TRUST him that he most likely will not shoot me or any other person. He has a right here in the U.S. to carry & own that gun.

 

And I don't really care if you have strobe lights (I want some), But as long you meet the RULES and LAWS I'm just fine.

 

Where did I say "looking to kill or hurt someone?" I'm talking about the functions of the gun itself, not the intentions of the carrier. What I'm saying is that the only purpose of a gun in public is to kill or hurt someone. What else does a gun do besides that and scare people?

 

I take it that you don't own a gun (unless I'm wrong), there fore you just don't understand. Why do cops carry guns? And please don't say because their cops and their, there to protect us, because and person with a gun walking down the street could do the same thing if they saw someone in trouble. Just seeing a gun could change a persons mind of harming someone, you never know what is going through someone's mind. 

 

Well I never mint to "scare" anyone, i'm just saying no matter what taking guns away will never stop crime and other people from hurting others. And no you never know what is going through a persons mind, but if I see a person carrying a gun and he has it holstered I TRUST him that he most likely will not shoot me or any other person. He has a right here in the U.S. to carry & own that gun.

 

And I don't really care if you have strobe lights (I want some), But as long you meet the RULES and LAWS I'm just fine.

 

 

I take it that you don't own a gun (unless I'm wrong), there fore you just don't understand. Why do cops carry guns? And please don't say because their cops and their, there to protect us, because and person with a gun walking down the street could do the same thing if they saw someone in trouble. Just seeing a gun could change a persons mind of harming someone, you never know what is going through someone's mind. 

 

Unfortunetely your intent & what actually is happening is 2 different things, it IS your right to have a firearm, but it does have an effect on people that don't know you from a hole in the ground, which makes a cops job more difficult because they call the police & they have to investigate, which inturn, they themselves get shit on for hassling gun owners, it's a catch 22.

 

I think Police should have firearms because they protect our freedoms in our cities' and I guess you could say going to look for trouble head on to keep the most dangerous people off our streets in our best interests, the average joe such as you or myself doesn't need to do that except to look out for ourselves, no one else, because it's not our duty to "Serve & Protect", that's what they took the oath for, I'm all for protecting my family, but that's all a handgun at most should be able to do.

 

As I said, you never know what is mentally wrong with an individual just by looking at them, no criminal passed or anything, but gets tired of life & shoots up a school, which seems to be a trend lately

 

Unfortunetely your intent & what actually is happening is 2 different things, it IS your right to have a firearm, but it does have an effect on people that don't know you from a hole in the ground, which makes a cops job more difficult because they call the police & they have to investigate, which inturn, they themselves get shit on for hassling gun owners, it's a catch 22.

 

I think Police should have firearms because they protect our freedoms in our cities' and I guess you could say going to look for trouble head on to keep the most dangerous people off our streets in our best interests, the average joe such as you or myself doesn't need to do that except to look out for ourselves, no one else, because it's not our duty to "Serve & Protect", that's what they took the oath for, I'm all for protecting my family, but that's all a handgun at most should be able to do.

 

As I said, you never know what is mentally wrong with an individual just by looking at them, no criminal passed or anything, but gets tired of life & shoots up a school, which seems to be a trend lately

 

 

Well every one has their own opinion, i'm just trying to show you why people who carry guns, carry guns. And my opinion is that open carry / concealed is a good thing. You don't have to like it you don't have to agree to it, all i'm saying that is try to understand why carrying a gun could be a good thing. 

As a fellow Canadian, I gotta agree with Slimory.

 

I'd rather nobody have guns and let the police do their job to protect us, over giving everybody a gun and "trusting" that they wont kill anybody with it. I think any type of carry is a bad idea. The only people who should have guns are police officers and *certain* security guards. By certain security guards I'm talking about guards who have very high risk jobs such as drivers of armored money transfer trucks. 

 

Personally, I don't see the reason to arm everyday civilians with guns. Sure, you give something to a trusting individual and that should make the place safer, but you could just as likely give it to a crazed lunatic. By not giving anything to anybody you lower the amount of people that wouldn't do well with their guns. 

I take it that you don't own a gun (unless I'm wrong), there fore you just don't understand. Why do cops carry guns? And please don't say because their cops and their, there to protect us, because and person with a gun walking down the street could do the same thing if they saw someone in trouble. Just seeing a gun could change a persons mind of harming someone, you never know what is going through someone's mind. 

 

 

You're looking too much into what I'm saying. I'm literally saying that the purpose of guns is to hurt people, whether that be in self defense, someone's else's defense, or whatever other reason. The fear that people have of guns ("Just seeing a gun could change a persons mind") is because of that purpose. Again, I am not expressing my opinion in any way. I understand both sides of the argument, and remain neutral.

This conversation has went better then previous ones... just putting that out there.

This conversation has went better then previous ones... just putting that out there.

 

I hear ya bud.

I open carry, I have since I was 19. I've never had an issue with anyone.

 

It doesn't make me a target, as much as you think it might, I assure you, it does not. If anything, the opposite is true.

 

I do not do it out of necessity, I do it out of convinience and comfort. The only time I ever "conceal" is when I wear a coat.

 

I am a strong advocate of open carry, but I don't really give a damn how you carry, as long as you carry.

 

 

 

As a fellow Canadian, I gotta agree with Slimory.

 

I'd rather nobody have guns and let the police do their job to protect us, over giving everybody a gun and "trusting" that they wont kill anybody with it. I think any type of carry is a bad idea. The only people who should have guns are police officers and *certain* security guards. By certain security guards I'm talking about guards who have very high risk jobs such as drivers of armored money transfer trucks. 

 

Personally, I don't see the reason to arm everyday civilians with guns. Sure, you give something to a trusting individual and that should make the place safer, but you could just as likely give it to a crazed lunatic. By not giving anything to anybody you lower the amount of people that wouldn't do well with their guns. 

 

Okay, first of all, it IS NOT the duty of a police officer to provide for my protection and safety.

 

Second of all, if I need to defend my life RIGHT NOW, I DO NOT have ANY time to wait for police response. Even three minutes is too long.

 

What you just stated was pure nonsense.

 

Should we take away motor vehicles from everyone because a few "crazed lunatics" killed some people with a car?

 

Quit projecting your insecurities, and quit punishing the whole for the mistakes of the few.

 

I would feel safer in my job if everyone carried guns.

Edited January 30, 201412 yr by TheMoneyMan

My state is almost like the wild west, if someone saw you OC, no-one would make a big deal about it since the OC law is widely known throughout the state. However, Like as stated before, my opinion is to never show your weapon and leave it as the element of surprise should you need to use it to diffuse a situation. This will also give you a better chance of not being the primary target of any criminals out there.

 

HOWEVER, I always jokingly say that if I was to ever OC, I wouldn't be open carrying my Glock 17, It would be my .203/5.56 AR-15. Maybe it would make the criminals think twice about their intentions.

My state is almost like the wild west, if someone saw you OC, no-one would make a big deal about it since the OC law is widely known throughout the state. However, Like as stated before, my opinion is to never show your weapon and leave it as the element of surprise should you need to use it to diffuse a situation. This will also give you a better chance of not being the primary target of any criminals out there.

 

HOWEVER, I always jokingly say that if I was to ever OC, I wouldn't be open carrying my Glock 17, It would be my .203/5.56 AR-15. Maybe it would make the criminals think twice about their intentions.

 

Element of surprise is not a good defensive tactic. It's most useful for ambushing, which is an attack.

 

A situation would likely not need diffusing if the gun was visible, and by your post, you seem to think that showing the gun would in fact diffuse said situation, so would it not make more sense to already have it visible in order to prevent said situation from requiring diffusing?

 

Did you mean .223/5.56? Which is it? .223 or 5.56? You cannot fire 5.56mm from a gun chambered in .223. It's one or the other. If it's both, it's 5.56.

My idea is to stop the attack before it is formed into a complete idea by a possible attacker.

 

The goal here is to stop him in his planning stage.

 

He will scope out targets, choose one, stalk it, attack it.

 

While he's looking for targets, I make myself a hard target, he knows that attacking me will result in someone dying, or at the very least, becoming seriously injured. This will discourage the vast majority of criminals.

 

If we wait to show our attacker we are armed until AFTER he attacks, he already has an advantage, in that he has attacked.

 

I prefer to not be attacked in the first place. That's just me, though. You might want to do it differently.

I open carry, I have since I was 19. I've never had an issue with anyone.

 

It doesn't make me a target, as much as you think it might, I assure you, it does not. If anything, the opposite is true.

 

I do not do it out of necessity, I do it out of convinience and comfort. The only time I ever "conceal" is when I wear a coat.

 

I am a strong advocate of open carry, but I don't really give a damn how you carry, as long as you carry.

 

 

 

 

Okay, first of all, it IS NOT the duty of a police officer to provide for my protection and safety.

 

Second of all, if I need to defend my life RIGHT NOW, I DO NOT have ANY time to wait for police response. Even three minutes is too long.

 

What you just stated was pure nonsense.

 

Should we take away motor vehicles from everyone because a few "crazed lunatics" killed some people with a car?

 

Quit projecting your insecurities, and quit punishing the whole for the mistakes of the few.

 

I would feel safer in my job if everyone carried guns.

 

Thank you just what i'v been trying to say all day.

I was going to try to stay out of this topic, but this is too rich:

Quit projecting your insecurities, and quit punishing the whole for the mistakes of the few.

You might want to look up what "projection" actually means. It refers to when a person tries to deny their own "unacceptable" feelings by ascribing them to others. It's not projection to say "This makes me feel insecure, so we should ban it". Projection would be if someone who is trying to repress their insecurities imagines others as weak and insecure in order to suppress their own feelings.

I hope you understand why, given your post, you don't want to be bringing up projection.

Also: Do I understand you to be saying that *everyone* should carry, and that you're doing something wrong if you choose *not* to? Because if so, that is one of the worst messages you could *possibly* send about firearms carry. Rule number zero of firearm safety: If you don't feel comfortable with a gun for any reason whatsoever, don't use one. Saying that everyone should carry is simply *wrong* - not everyone wishes to have a firearm, for a variety of reasons, and anyone who tells someone that their reason for not wanting a gun is invalid needs to relearn firearms safety from scratch.