The same day as the Newtown, Conn. shooting, a man in china broke into a school and used a knife and slashed 23 children, so in your case, lets ban knives too, right? Don't believe me because you didn't hear about it from your mainstream media? Look it up and get your facts straight. The second amendment states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The United States earned it's freedom from a tyrannous government and made sure it would never happen again, hence the second amendment. Nobody "likes" America because we want to keep what we so desperately fought for? Yeah, okay lol. I think you should get some facts straight before posting an ignorant comment like that against an entire nation.

 

You know who could have stopped this shooting? One citizen that was concealed carrying, and being allowed to do so and not have to worry about being in a "gun free" zone. All these gun free zones are doing is creating an environment where a shooter can go in knowing he will meet no resistance. Also, I find it very ironic that the people who are so against concealed carry permit holders, and who are so afraid of guns don't realize, that the minute something goes sour, those CCW carriers would be the first and only people that would be able to protect somebody. 

 

InnermostZero has it exactly right, "People kill people, not guns." Sick people will always find a way to hurt others, like the man in China, the last thing we need to be doing is taking away a tool that would stop these threats. 

I'm not talking about china.. so leave china in china, i'm talking about the U.S, us Canadians aren't allowed to open carry, so why are you? i'm assuming by the "Semper Fi" slogan in you're signature that you're in the Military or were..

If I were you guys in the EU and ASIA I would be worried. What was the first thing Hitler did before he started taking over Germany and taking all the peoples rights away? He took the guns away from the people, unarmed the entire nation, so when people wanted to take back their country they couldn't. Once again in 1774-5 ish The British tried to take away all of the new colonies weapons and disarm them. Why? Because the British were afraid of a back lash (which ended up happening as you can all see) 

 

I could go on all day, the minute the government takes away the peoples guns, they have all the power now and they can do what ever the hell they want.

 

80% of guns used in crime are stolen... Instead of  going after guns and saying we need to do this and that, maybe go after how they are kept. There is no real law on how you keep gun, but in my house we keep them in a gun locker that is bolted to the ground and has 6 number combo to get into.... 

 

ALSO RIP TO THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES

 

In my opinion,

 

Nope ,actually I think a lot of EU members will agree that our gun laws are perfect, we don't live in a world now where one man can take over the world any more by the way ,too many strategic governmental plans in place ,every nations army is more trained and over here in the EU well in Ireland anyway we have ESU(Emergency Response Units), RAS (Regional Armed Response)  that patrol regularly so as for the ''Crazy gunmen that do stuff like in the US'' we have an effective response so I don't know why you are mentioning Hitler,how many normal civilians started to rebel with their own arms? Few, as to the amount that had no impact, people having guns don't stop this.

 

Something people might want to consider ,when these crazy gunmen hit the streets to kill ,how many of these normal civilians takes out their guns and kill them ,it's always police now a days. Why do they have guns ''to protect themselves'' ,well these guns are causing more bad events than good ones(good ones being killing the gunmen).

 

My two cents but ,I don't think it's right criticise the EU when you'r county has the serious problem with the weapons. Nor is the topic about the EU.

 

I could go on all day, the minute the government takes away the peoples guns, they have all the power now and they can do what ever the hell they want.

 

 

ie. the police can protect you's ,every single PO has a firearms over there ,it's not like there un-common to stop these events. I doubt you'r government would be considering to implement a law if these guns were helping,but there not.

I'm not talking about china.. so leave china in china, i'm talking about the U.S, us Canadians aren't allowed to open carry, so why are you? i'm assuming by the "Semper Fi" slogan in you're signature that you're in the Military or were..

 

I brought up the China incident because it was relevant, I could go into detail, but I don't want to hijack this original thread, and I also already answered that question about America. and to answer your last question yes I was, but that shouldn't change anything.

Mind going easy..?

America has to fix their Ammunition laws, like the Netherlands has to fix their Drug laws. In the U.S. it's too easy to get a handgun and- or heavier.

The United States of America is already fucked.

By that I mean that they cannot remove all the guns from the citizens hands.

 

Starting to make the gun laws stricter so that almost none can buy one will not help.

Criminals will always be able to get a hold of a firearm.

The only people who will suffer is the law-abiding citizens.

wow this topic got really out of hand...

If I were you guys in the EU and ASIA I would be worried. What was the first thing Hitler did before he started taking over Germany and taking all the peoples rights away? He took the guns away from the people, unarmed the entire nation, so when people wanted to take back their country they couldn't. Once again in 1774-5 ish The British tried to take away all of the new colonies weapons and disarm them. Why? Because the British were afraid of a back lash (which ended up happening as you can all see) 

 

I could go on all day, the minute the government takes away the peoples guns, they have all the power now and they can do what ever the hell they want.

 

80% of guns used in crime are stolen... Instead of  going after guns and saying we need to do this and that, maybe go after how they are kept. There is no real law on how you keep gun, but in my house we keep them in a gun locker that is bolted to the ground and has 6 number combo to get into.... 

 

ALSO RIP TO THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES

You are acting like they are going to take all of our guns away. NO. 

wow this topic got really out of hand...

Gun control debates tend do get out of hand very quickly unfortunately. On one side we have Alex Jones types who see a government conspiracy in everything, abuse statistics and facts to prove a false point and would rather die before handing over their guns to a "tyrannical government". On the other side we have pro gun control fanatics who also abuse the facts and don't seem to realise that criminals will always get their hands on weapons, with our without strict gun laws. 

Remember the Piers Morgan debate where Mr. Jones called Morgan a "redcoat"? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y)

Luckily though, there are still some people left who are willing to have a proper debate with decent arguments. This community has proven that.

 

In my humble opinion, it's only logical gun control is mentioned on a topic about a highschool shooting.

Edited June 8, 201312 yr by kjel0112

Another thread turn into a gun control discussion?...

 

Edited June 8, 201312 yr by strike

I brought up the China incident because it was relevant, I could go into detail, but I don't want to hijack this original thread, and I also already answered that question about America. and to answer your last question yes I was, but that shouldn't change anything.

It does change, most people that are in or were in the Military believe in the right to bear arms, what for?

Gun control debates tend do get out of hand very quickly unfortunately. On one side we have Alex Jones types who see a government conspiracy in everything, abuse statistics and facts to prove a false point and would rather die before handing over their guns to a "tyrannical government". On the other side we have pro gun control fanatics who also abuse the facts and don't seem to realise that criminals will always get their hands on weapons, with our without strict gun laws. 

Remember the Piers Morgan debate where Mr. Jones called Morgan a "redcoat"? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y)

Luckily though, there are still some people left who are willing to have a proper debate with decent arguments. This community has proven that.

 

In my humble opinion, it's only logical gun control is mentioned on a topic about a highschool shooting.

I tend to be the alex jones type im mostly an conservitive republican, i do go onto his website and all but im not the type of person who likes to sit there and yell at people to prove my point i think both sides have very strong points and all but i think people should just talk with out argueing thats how u solve problems but also i dont like going oh only run the conservitive way or the liberal way, republican way or democratic way. I think we should make choices to better the country not better the political party.

In my opinion,

 

Nope ,actually I think a lot of EU members will agree that our gun laws are perfect, we don't live in a world now where one man can take over the world any more by the way ,too many strategic governmental plans in place ,every nations army is more trained and over here in the EU well in Ireland anyway we have ESU(Emergency Response Units), RAS (Regional Armed Response)  that patrol regularly so as for the ''Crazy gunmen that do stuff like in the US'' we have an effective response so I don't know why you are mentioning Hitler,how many normal civilians started to rebel with their own arms? Few, as to the amount that had no impact, people having guns don't stop this.

 

Something people might want to consider ,when these crazy gunmen hit the streets to kill ,how many of these normal civilians takes out their guns and kill them ,it's always police now a days. Why do they have guns ''to protect themselves'' ,well these guns are causing more bad events than good ones(good ones being killing the gunmen).

 

My two cents but ,I don't think it's right criticise the EU when you'r county has the serious problem with the weapons. Nor is the topic about the EU.

 

 

ie. the police can protect you's ,every single PO has a firearms over there ,it's not like there un-common to stop these events. I doubt you'r government would be considering to implement a law if these guns were helping,but there not.

 

 

I can give you modern day country that had what I just describe. In the 1990s when Afghanistan was basically taken over by the Taliban. one of the first laws was that No mean or Women are allowed weapons... In Liberia, the government out lawed guns for civilian's. Oh how about a event that is going on as we speak. In Syria it is illegal and punishable by death for a civilian to own a gun...   What do all these counties have in common? Each one has a dictator and limits the rights of their people.

 

 

Also for your quote    "Something people might want to consider ,when these crazy gunmen hit the streets to kill ,how many of these normal civilians takes out their guns and kill them ,it's always police now a days. Why do they have guns ''to protect themselves'' ,well these guns are causing more bad events than good ones(good ones being killing the gunmen)." A lot, you only hear about the shootings that no one does anything about and the guy kills 20 people. You never hear about the one shooting with a CC person takes his gun out and ends it before the guy kills anyone. Just like last year in Brookfield with that one shooting we had. A hunter saw the shooter, took out his shotgun and chased the guy back into the building where he came out of. The shooter was making his way to a mall to take down as many people as he could. 

 

 

Also nope, a lot of Americans think are gun laws are perfect. Think America is bad? Take a look at mexico, or Afghanistan or Iraq ect... 10x worst. So please shut the hell up and let Merica deal with our own problems.....

 

I can give you modern day country that had what I just describe. In the 1990s when Afghanistan was basically taken over by the Taliban. one of the first laws was that No mean or Women are allowed weapons... In Liberia, the government out lawed guns for civilian's. Oh how about a event that is going on as we speak. In Syria it is illegal and punishable by death for a civilian to own a gun...   What do all these counties have in common? Each one has a dictator and limits the rights of their people.

 

 

Also for your quote    "Something people might want to consider ,when these crazy gunmen hit the streets to kill ,how many of these normal civilians takes out their guns and kill them ,it's always police now a days. Why do they have guns ''to protect themselves'' ,well these guns are causing more bad events than good ones(good ones being killing the gunmen)." A lot, you only hear about the shootings that no one does anything about and the guy kills 20 people. You never hear about the one shooting with a CC person takes his gun out and ends it before the guy kills anyone. Just like last year in Brookfield with that one shooting we had. A hunter saw the shooter, took out his shotgun and chased the guy back into the building where he came out of. The shooter was making his way to a mall to take down as many people as he could. 

 

 

Also nope, a lot of Americans think are gun laws are perfect. Think America is bad? Take a look at mexico, or Afghanistan or Iraq ect... 10x worst. So please shut the hell up and let Merica deal with our own problems.....

 

Why are you so afraid of "Dictator Obama"? lol.

Why are you so afraid of "Dictator Obama"? lol.

 

 

lol, not afraid of that, but what i'm saying is the the US has something no other country has. The government is sacred of the people, because if you fuck us to hard up the ass we will revolt...

lol, not afraid of that, but what i'm saying is the the US has something no other country has. The government is sacred of the people, because if you fuck us to hard up the ass we will revolt...

That made me laugh.

 

Also, don't overestimate the power of some civilians armed with ar-15 against the government... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

The same day as the Newtown, Conn. shooting, a man in china broke into a school and used a knife and slashed 23 children, so in your case, lets ban knives too, right? 

How many of THOSE kids died? 

 

 

Edited June 8, 201312 yr by Riley24

I can give you modern day country that had what I just describe. In the 1990s when Afghanistan was basically taken over by the Taliban. one of the first laws was that No mean or Women are allowed weapons... In Liberia, the government out lawed guns for civilian's. Oh how about a event that is going on as we speak. In Syria it is illegal and punishable by death for a civilian to own a gun...   What do all these counties have in common? Each one has a dictator and limits the rights of their people.

 

 

Also for your quote    "Something people might want to consider ,when these crazy gunmen hit the streets to kill ,how many of these normal civilians takes out their guns and kill them ,it's always police now a days. Why do they have guns ''to protect themselves'' ,well these guns are causing more bad events than good ones(good ones being killing the gunmen)." A lot, you only hear about the shootings that no one does anything about and the guy kills 20 people. You never hear about the one shooting with a CC person takes his gun out and ends it before the guy kills anyone. Just like last year in Brookfield with that one shooting we had. A hunter saw the shooter, took out his shotgun and chased the guy back into the building where he came out of. The shooter was making his way to a mall to take down as many people as he could. 

 

 

Also nope, a lot of Americans think are gun laws are perfect. Think America is bad? Take a look at mexico, or Afghanistan or Iraq ect... 10x worst. So please shut the hell up and let Merica deal with our own problems.....

 

 

 

1). Don't tell me to shut the hell up, that's just completely rude.

2). Deal with you'r problems ,go ahead b/c you'r the one that mentioned the EU so you contradicted yourself in my opinion.

 

This is going slightly off topic now so hope it all works out for you guys.

It does change, most people that are in or were in the Military believe in the right to bear arms, what for?

Because as Americans, that RIGHT is given to all Americans through the Constitution of the United States. It is a Protected right under the 2nd amendment, which all military and law enforcement in America is Sworn to uphold. I did not want this topic to go off like this...

Ok lets get back on topic, apparently there are 5 dead including the gunman. 2 of them were students at the school when the shooting happened....

In my opinion,

Nope ,actually I think a lot of EU members will agree that our gun laws are perfect, we don't live in a world now where one man can take over the world any more by the way ,too many strategic governmental plans in place ,every nations army is more trained and over here in the EU well in Ireland anyway we have ESU(Emergency Response Units), RAS (Regional Armed Response) that patrol regularly so as for the ''Crazy gunmen that do stuff like in the US'' we have an effective response so I don't know why you are mentioning Hitler,how many normal civilians started to rebel with their own arms? Few, as to the amount that had no impact, people having guns don't stop this.

No, people didn't fight back because he repealed the gun control act enabled by the Weimar Republic, but only loyal members of the Nazi Party were allowed to have guns.

Something people might want to consider ,when these crazy gunmen hit the streets to kill ,how many of these normal civilians takes out their guns and kill them ,it's always police now a days. Why do they have guns ''to protect themselves'' ,well these guns are causing more bad events than good ones(good ones being killing the gunmen).

Mother Jones, an extremely left news site, did an article claiming no concealed carrier has stopped a mass shooting. They were actually right, because the FBI classifies a mass shooting as at least 4 people getting killed in one location in a random attack.What they failed to mention was that all of those shootings occurred in gun free zones where law abiding citizens are never allowed to carry. One example is the Clackamas Mall Shooting in Portland just 2 days before Sandy Hook. The gunman killed 2 people, and a concealed carrier pulled out his weapon and aimed, but didn't fire, and the gunman ran around the corner and shot himself. Unsurprisingly, almost all coverage of the event dropped after that little detail came out.

ie. the police can protect you's ,every single PO has a firearms over there ,it's not like there un-common to stop these events. I doubt you'r government would be considering to implement a law if these guns were helping,but there not.

I've talked to multiple cops in the US, and they would laugh at that statement. Their job isn't to enforce pre crime and be everyone's bodyguard, it is to enforce laws and investigate the crime after it happens. The supreme court has even ruled that police are not required to protect you.

You are acting like they are going to take all of our guns away. NO.

In a debate you need to provide proof to justify your point. Prove they are not planning to take guns away. Your state just required microstamping of handguns, which no manufacturer will do. Since your state already has a registry, it is effectively banning handguns.

Gun control debates tend do get out of hand very quickly unfortunately. On one side we have Alex Jones types who see a government conspiracy in everything, abuse statistics and facts to prove a false point and would rather die before handing over their guns to a "tyrannical government". On the other side we have pro gun control fanatics who also abuse the facts and don't seem to realise that criminals will always get their hands on weapons, with our without strict gun laws.

Remember the Piers Morgan debate where Mr. Jones called Morgan a "redcoat"? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y)

Luckily though, there are still some people left who are willing to have a proper debate with decent arguments. This community has proven that.

In my humble opinion, it's only logical gun control is mentioned on a topic about a highschool shooting.

I found Jones on Piers Morgan pretty funny considering that Morgan starts screaming over his opposition every time he starts losing an argument

That made me laugh.

Also, don't overestimate the power of some civilians armed with ar-15 against the government... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

Police are only able to win shootouts due to drastically outnumbering suspects and having more firepower. Should they go against a group with equal or greater numbers using guerilla tactics, they are screwed until they get lucky and surround them. Just look at the Mumbai attacks in India, or more recently the Chris Dorner manhunt. The police were running scared until they surrounded the cabin he went into, then outnumbered him over a hundred to one and proceeded to purposefully burn him alive.

I do not actually live in California :/