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First off, I apologize if a thread for this already exists. I would have searched for it, but frankly, I have no idea what key words to use.

Now onto the meat of this thread, please post any tips you have for users that want to be the most realistic LEO they can be in game.

A couple of things that come to mind that I've been curious about are:

-How/when a cop would and would not use his lights/sirens

-How/when cops use unmarked or partially marked vehichles

-When a cop would use deadly force

-When/if a cop would ever use his vehicle as a weapon

-When would a cop call off a chase

-What are the different ways a cop would respond to a call i.e. obeying regular traffic laws/slightly modified traffic laws/going full on lights and sirens full "safe" speed

Edited: Corrected spelling of "ever" in question 4

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In response to some of those questions you should expect slight variation with answers, different law enforcement agencies have different ways of dealing with these sort of questions. I am going to answer these questions in the way that my own force deal with them.

-How/when a cop would and would not use his lights/sirens

We'd use them in an 'emergency' usually that would be a call-out from dispatch to any kind of 999 call. However, when we are responding to transport detainees then we'd go without lights, just as we'd run no lights helping a officer that hasn't stated the assistance is urgent.

-How/when cops use unmarked or partially marked vehichles

For us that always depends on what operation we're taking part in, usually pro-active force officers use unmarked low-range cars to catch criminals in the act. We do however sometimes use um's for maximum stealth!

-When a cop would use deadly force

When a civilian has been wounded/killed, when an officer is reported as down, or when an officer's life is in danger

-When/if a cop would every use his vehicle as a weapon

Don't understand the question- I assume you mean hitting people with our cars? NEVER

-When would a cop call off a chase

When the suspect becomes a 'severe danger on the road by driving extremely recklessly with no regard to human life'

-What are the different ways a cop would respond to a call i.e. obeying regular traffic laws/slightly modified traffic laws/going full on lights and sirens full "safe" speed

Whenever we activate our lights and sirens we are responsible for ANY damage we cause, from a snapped wing-mirror to killing someone. Therefore to 'cat.4' calls we respond without lights or sirens- usually we only respond without lights to fellow officers because we know they have a better chance of suppressing an assailant than a random member of public.

Hope this helps you a bit, however don't feel to do all this in game... even I go on rampages in it from time to time!

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1- See point 6.

2- Unmarked cars can be used in any time, it's used for Patrols like it was a normal cruiser.

3- A cop would use deadly force for when the suspect maybe holds a weapons (either real or fake) they first react is to open fire to defend themselves. Sometimes suspect survives and other times it doesnt.

4- When, a cop would use their car as a very very last resource to stop the suspect mostly when he's in a car using PIT maneuver.

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6- That depends of the Code the dispatch says. Code 1= normal prior (Obeys all traffic laws | no lights no sirens). Code 2= medium prior (Slightly traffic laws obey | lights on | IIRC they use sirens on intersections only). Code 3= high prior (Full lights and sirens).

Hope this helps you, I may be wrong with some points.

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-When/if a cop would every use his vehicle as a weapon

Don't understand the question- I assume you mean hitting people with our cars? NEVER

That was a typo, I meant "ever". Anyway, if a suspect is on foot in the middle of the road and you are in your vehicle, you can't give him a little love tap with your unit to stop him?

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That was a typo, I meant "ever". Anyway, if a suspect is on foot in the middle of the road and you are in your vehicle, you can't give him a little love tap with your unit to stop him?

Haha well yes we do from time to time if we believe the suspect could be running for a while!

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This is a mix of different agency's, but its what I go by

-How/when a cop would and would not use his lights/siren

Priority calls, such as crimes in progress or when time is a factor. Locally, our officers can choose when to respond "Code 3"

-How/when cops use unmarked or partially marked vehicles

There's not really a statute, but our traffic section uses unmarked, and obviously gang enforcement so they can stay undetected

-When a cop would use deadly force

When the officer feels that without using lethal force, himself or others could be severely injured or killed. This is a sole judgement call on the part of the cop

-When/if a cop would ever use his vehicle as a weapon

Same answer as deadly force. If its going to stop the suspect from maiming or killing, its better to use it and answer for it in court

-When would a cop call off a chase

This is a touchy subject. If the suspect was being stopped for a simple infraction "summary in canada, or misdemeanor in America" and he runs at a high rate and dangerously, air units would be called and units would break pursuit. If he is wanted for severe infraction "Indictable in Canada, or Felony in America", the chase would continue as letting that suspect go could endanger more lives than the pursuit. In game, make a judgement call

-What are the different ways a cop would respond to a call i.e. obeying regular traffic laws/slightly modified traffic laws/going full on lights and sirens full "safe" speed

These are code calls.

Code 1 or non priority response, is to respond cold, all traffic laws and no lights or sirens.

Code 2 or expedited. This is a little different depending on agency, but usually normal speed and clearing intersections with lights

Code 3 or priority, is to respond hot. Fastest speed that is safe, lights and sirens.

Hope this helped

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Hope this helps you a bit, however don't feel to do all this in game... even I go on rampages in it from time to time!

Well, that was pretty funny for me to read!

-When/if a cop would every use his vehicle as a weapon

Don't understand the question- I assume you mean hitting people with our cars? NEVER

I think he means to use their vehicles as a weapon against the criminals, surely while on a chase or when citizen's life are in danger.

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More often then not in police chases, cops tend to ram suspects, or if being shot at they tend to ram through suspects.

However, cops aern't allowed to actually use their cars to hit pedestrians, which i'm assuming you watched the youtube video, it's weird, my local department consists of almost 700 Officers and not 1 cruiser has a rambar on it.

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In regards to using your vehicle as a weapon:

In Toronto I do believe that using your vehicle to hit somebody or their car is the same as using lethal force. A PIT maneuver would be considered as lethal force, likewise somebody flailing a gun around shooting people would constitute lethal force allowing an officer to give him a nudge, or a full on hit.

The exception to the rule is when officers are facing somebody with a knife or other melee weapon and police don't want to approach them, or shoot them. Instead, they try and stun them with their vehicles.

Heres a video with Toronto police:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H9ddFPCDkg

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^^ you really shouldn't compare video games to real life lol

I don't think using a vehicle is used for lethal force, my opinion, that cop should have been suspended at the very least.

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Multiple people have provided excellent answers, but I'll respond from my experiences and try to keep it within the parameters of the game.

-How/when a cop would and would not use his lights/sirens

Why you would has been thoroughly covered. Not recommended when in proximity of a domestic in progress, crime involving drugs, etc., in order to gather or preserve evidence. However, the officer must use his/her discretion when their actions may present a risk to the public, ie. burning through a red light at a blind intersection.

-How/when cops use unmarked or partially marked vehichles

Traffic Enforcement and Investigators, primarily.

-When a cop would use deadly force

To prevent serious injury (usually defined by local Use Of Forse SOP) or preserve life. I'll go a little deeper into this; if a subject is merely holding a weapon at his side he has the means and opportunity to use that weapon, but intent is where things usually get cloudy and I would waste an entire page describing different scenarios. In the end the decision falls solely on you, as you're the one who has to justify your actions (in-game, not so much). In LCPDFR I respond to most call-outs with my taser at the ready as it's always easier to justify less-than-lethal use of force. Active shooter, not so much. Keep in mind your firearm's sole purpose is to cause death, not warn, wound or disable. Shooting out tires or firing into the air are usually unauthorized actions for your typical patrolman.

-When/if a cop would ever use his vehicle as a weapon

In regards to local SOP, this action is probably never "authorized". However, a tactical and controlled ramming of a subject with your vehicle can be (and has been) justified. Vehicle-on-vehicle, however, requires specific training in order to utilize. If you're that dedicated to your roleplay I'd suggest developing your own EVOC/PIT course in-game so you can develop your skills.

-When would a cop call off a chase

When the subject's actions and officer's pursuit have the potential to become a safety risk to the public. You can choose to back off and keep the subject in view, or end the chase altogether. Unfortunately the AI will do everything it can to ram the vehicle off the road until the subject dismounts, smashing tons of peds in the process. Your safest option, depending on your play style, would probably be to utilize air support and roleplay from there when the car you're chasing has a few more ponies than yours. Realistically, the officer will radio ahead and other units will attempt to establish a road block or determine the subject's next stop where they can safely apprehend them.

-What are the different ways a cop would respond to a call i.e. obeying regular traffic laws/slightly modified traffic laws/going full on lights and sirens full "safe" speed

Codes have already been mentioned. Some are dictated by SOP while others will be at your (the officer's) discretion. The SOP I adhere to allows ten miles per hour over the speed limit. Others give much more leeway as they consider the officer's driving experience and EVOC training. If you're going airborne over Liberty City's many bumps it's best just to throttle back and wait for turns or other obstacles to slow the subject down so you can catch up. Drive only as fast as you can control, use situational awareness and anticipate obstacles at every turn or intersection.

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Just to touch on the subject of using a vehicle offensively (a UK perspective) - one has to always consider the implications of one's actions. The risk to persons or property is far too high and force policy would not endorse the use of a vehicle as a "weapon" against a person. We have PPE for that (baton, CS spray and - specialist firearms officers only - tasers and firearms). However it could happen, as long as the individual officer can justify their action in court as proportionate to the threat.

The only time a vehicle would be used offensively is in the road policing/traffic discipline, where specialist officers are trained to a high standard to use their vehicle to (safely) bring another vehicle to a halt.

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^^ you really shouldn't compare video games to real life lol

I don't think using a vehicle is used for lethal force, my opinion, that cop should have been suspended at the very least.

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lmao i know i do this in my game sometimes if the criminal gets away from me and use my car to bump him so when i seen this first thought was lcpdfr

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Just to touch on the subject of using a vehicle offensively (a UK perspective) - one has to always consider the implications of one's actions. The risk to persons or property is far too high and force policy would not endorse the use of a vehicle as a "weapon" against a person. We have PPE for that (baton, CS spray and - specialist firearms officers only - tasers and firearms). However it could happen, as long as the individual officer can justify their action in court as proportionate to the threat.

The only time a vehicle would be used offensively is in the road policing/traffic discipline, where specialist officers are trained to a high standard to use their vehicle to (safely) bring another vehicle to a halt.

There are however 'special circumstances', this can be after a pursuit and to box a suspect in between their vehicles and the officers. Usually rolling into them around 5-10 mph is what I got taught however it varies wildly.

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More often then not in police chases, cops tend to ram suspects, or if being shot at they tend to ram through suspects.

However, cops aern't allowed to actually use their cars to hit pedestrians, which i'm assuming you watched the youtube video, it's weird, my local department consists of almost 700 Officers and not 1 cruiser has a rambar on it.

IIRC, pushbars aren't really designed for ramming; they're designed to push disabled vehicles off the road. (keep in mind that a PIT uses the whole quarter panel, so a pushbar would have limited value there)

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