Riley24

​Has anyone put in prison for life been martyred? It might sound redundant, but radicalism isn't a rational decision. Mentally unstable people look for something to fight for, which is why we're seeing so many crazy young people joining ISIS. They used to join Al-Qaeda, but some crazy people are easily impressionable and look for a new movement to join, or a martyr to look up to. There will always be radicalism in our world, but that doesn't mean we should feed in to it with our own emotion and vengeance.

So much focus on vengeance, and none on the circumstances of the case. He'll likely become a martyr.

Tragic. We really need to look at the root causes of tragedies like this, since the overall violent crime rate is down but officer deaths have risen this year. There's obviously something wrong here.

​If only that worked with most teenagers haha

​I'm not going to tell you how to be a parent, but a fundamental part of growing up is making mistakes and learning from them. That doesn't mean you should let things like that happen.

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Title says all. I know nothing about the technical details of modding games, but for those that do, how long do you think it will be until we start seeing car mods for GTA V? We're managing to bypass Rockstar's provisions and make script mods, which is fantastic. But what problems are preventing us from making models and putting them into the game?

Very sad news. Luckily police officers aren't killed in the line of duty terribly often, its just really sad to see the lives of two young guys cut so short. RIP Greg Moore and Brian Moore.

I agree with the idea, but we also need to let rebellious teens be rebellious teens. If a teenager is just going through a phase, I think its totally wrong for their parents to subject them to a national reality TV show.

One of my biggest pet peaves is when people from other countries judge US policy when they don't know how it works, so I'm not even going to touch the policy part of this. The only thing I'll comment on is moral policy. It's my personal belief that no one should be imprisoned for non-violent drug crimes, let alone killed. This is barbaric. I hope there's some kind of international organization in place that will be able to intervene in some way.

Really saddened to hear about this. New York might be a huge city, but there's still a "cop on the corner" feel here. You really feel it when a cop gets killed, just like when an unarmed suspect is killed by police. Yea, there might not be hundreds of thousands of people protesting but that's how the world works. I remember a friend I have that lives in a not-so-good neighborhood telling me about seeing "RIP Ramos and Liu" gratified on a few different places. The big apple has a big heart, and this always hurts.

Isn't the name "lcpdfr.com" kind of silly now that there's an lspdfr? Not really expanding your brand lol. Idk, just seems a little weird to have an LSDPFR section on the website.

I still hate that Mayweather won, that guys an asshole haha

​ I would argue that the incentive to cover up or not believe complaints is much stronger than the honesty of most departments. Imagine you're a supervisor, and some woman off the streets comes into the station wailing and screaming about Officer Joe body slamming her on pavement. You know officer Joe, you've been friends and co-workers for years. He says it never happened, and there's no video. Who do you believe? That's part of the problem: There is no comprehensive system to police the police, or dispel false claims. A lot of the time the victim of police abuse either hasn't done anything wrong, or is already in custody. There's been plenty of instances of suspects being assaulted in handcuffs and holding cells. Plenty of people get arrested, but you can't assault them once they are. For whatever reason, we seem to have two different solutions to that. My solution is "don't assault someone in custody", and yours seems to be "don't break the law in the first place". I had a gun pulled on me when I called 911 for my friends medical emergency. A cop pulled up and ordered me sit on the curb. When I tried to explain that my friend couldn't breath, he pulled his gun on me and detained me, all the while my friend was wheezing and gasping. How exactly was that my fault....? My only caveat to that would be that I think in many cases, police unnecessarily escalate situations that might increase the officer's safety but endanger the safety of the citizen. Pulling guns on people shouldn't be the first step, it should be a last resort. I don't want to bring up race, but when a man of color is pulled over by police at night with no one else around, and feels unsafe, there's a problem there. I'm not calling for a witch hunt of police, I just think that departments should re-evaluate their use of force policies, and we as a country should find a better way to ensure that every complaint is thoroughly investigated and dealt with my someone other than the department in question. Perhaps the DOJ should handle those cases, and they've already taken steps to fund body cameras, which is essential in protecting both parties of a police interaction. As you said, everyone should be held accountable for their actions, which of course I agree with. So I think we can both agree that there's something wrong when there's a huge system created to police us, but next to nothing to police the police. We just have to balance the scales of accountability, that's all us libs are asking for lol

​Well there's no incentive for police departments to report their abuse complaints to a federal agency, and you're implying of course that the supervisor takes the complaint-ant's word of his fellow officer. I did not catch that the article is referring to the foretasted budget, thank you. But the fact remains that cities across the country are paying out millions upon millions of dollars in avoidable abuse claims. As a taxpayer, I hope you would hope that your local departments are at least putting some concrete measures into place to reduce that. And if you're in to facts, there are a bunch of studies I would like to share with you (maybe over PM)? Personally I've had almost all great experiences with cops (except that one cop that pulled his gun on me for no reason). Its not always the citizens fault, police are often responsible for poor relationships with their communities (I know that's definitely true where I live in NYC) I honestly don't know why you're using such an angry connotation. I get that its the internet, but we're still having a conversation.

Just a few things to clear up. Those FBI statistics are based upon self-reporting from police departments, so they are not representative of the scope of police brutality cases. There currently is no comprehensive database for police misconduct. It also shouldn't come as a surprise that people without any money or power do not fight back when they feel like they've been wronged. Another scary number is that New York City (My home turf) payed $735 Million dollars in police abuse settlements: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-09-04/nyc-police-abuse-joins-pothole-settlements-costing-735-million. Imagine what our city could do with that money... Personally, I think if the police want to earn back the respect and trust of the people they serve, they have to do more to strengthen relations with the communities instead of treating everyone as a threat or a criminal. Listen, I know plenty of good cops. The problem isn't about good or bad cops, its about the overall police culture. I won't debate anyone on this, I'm just presenting the other side. If you respond negatively, that's on you.

​I agree with you 100%, I was just trying to clear everything up. Don't shoot the messenger lol.

​Actually police shootings are ruled homicides, if the shooting is found unjustified the officer can be charged with murder. I'm taking a break from debating because its clear my opinions are unpopular and I'm not convincing anyone, so this isn't the time or place to start one. I just wanted to clear that up. I think the point he was trying to make is that he thinks more people are killed by police in unjustified shootings than police are killed by people, which could very well be true but again, not the time or place.

Absolutely awful. I hope they arrest whoever did it and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. The deaths of Officers Ramos and Liu hit home here in New York City. We care about our cops here, you felt it on the streets after they were killed. I hope this officer is able to pull through,