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Hello again guys. Got the core mod working and it's pretty nice. So now I'm trying to incorporate some of the other things you guys use in your own gameplay, like ELS and different vehicle models/skins. I started off by installing a Chevy Tahoe police car and ELS V6. The mod seems to work pretty well, but it made my game have almost nothing but taxis and low riders for civilian cars. So I took the recommendation on these forums and downloaded a traffic mod. That worked like a charm, but occasionally I get crashes. So far its been about every 20 minutes (only two crashes so far). This particular one happened when I was responding to a armed robbery call, and I tried to hit ALT&B for backup as I was about to ram the suspects car. The game froze, then crashed.

If you need any other details, I'll provide them as best I can.

No complaints otherwise, because I'm having fun with all of this when it works, just want to try and iron out the kinks.

Great job so far guys. Thanks.

*EDIT*

Crashing still occurs, seems to be during pursuits if I call backup sometimes. Lights on the AI police cars are lit only sometimes, the traffic filter works most of the time, not all of the time, a re-start of your LCPDFR mod actually fixes it.

I also noticed a nasty little bug where the AI police officer sometimes shoot at me after a suspect is arrested or killed. Either one can trigger it.

Lots of weird stuff going on, huh? lol

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I have never head of AI police officers shooting you after the suspect is killed or arrested. I think the calling for backup crash is caused by ELS somehow. What is your game version?

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I have never head of AI police officers shooting you after the suspect is killed or arrested. I think the calling for backup crash is caused by ELS somehow. What is your game version?

I have the latest the 1.0.7.0 or whatever it is. Sometimes I notice also that when I arrest suspects that instead of taking them away in a car, they shoot them to death instead. It's very rare that they shoot at me, but it happens. The crashes I notice seem to happen on armed robber calls when Im in pursuit. The one minute ago it happened even when I wasn't calling for backup.

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I apologize for the double post, but I'm aching to know if crashing this often is common using LCPDFR and ELS with custom cars. It will happen at least once or twice each hour. It seems everyone else uses this combo and I don't happen to see other recent posts about this issue. It very commonly happens when I call for backup.

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I believe it would be because of ELS cars.

Considering how popular ELS and this mod is, wouldn't this be a well known issue with a possible fix? I'm not aware of an ELS mod newer than 6, and I couldn't find a website for it. Does the dev team have any idea what causes it and any possible fixes for it?

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If they could fix it, they would of by now. I think they know what the cause is but the ELS team need to fix it on their end.

I see. I'm guessing they don't make their source code available like your team does? That's a shame. Do they have a website? I'm unable to find one via Google searching.

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I sincerely hope they make another version, as the two big complains I have are random chance lights working or not working on NPC police vehicles and of course, the fairly frequent crashes. Restarting the game is a chore considering how long it takes to load and then go through driving Roman to his apartment each time.

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Because I can't save when I'm offline.

*EDIT*

Apparently the mod DOES work with Windows Live? I though this mod (and others) didn't support it.

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I only know that xlive disables windows live. I think you can still save in it tho.

Yeah it was disabled before. I could have sworn I read somewhere LCPD:FR wouldn't work with Windows Live. Oh well, that's fine. I'm curious as to how it would work with multiplayer in future patches, that being said.

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I'm seeing the crashes becoming a bit more spaced out, like probably every half hour or maybe 45 minutes. Still annoying, but it's more functional than it was before. I wish these ELS developers would hang out on these forums and read this so we could get some feedback, or more importantly a fix, since custom cars and lights are commonplace. So far I have only replaced three base vehicles, with a 2012 Police Interceptor (based off of a Taurus SHO), a 2011 Crown Vic, and a Chevy Tahoe all with ELS functionality.

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I only got one crash with els recently but it seems you are experiencing frequent crashes. When your GTA crashes do you get a crash dialog with additional infos (a textbox with lots of stuff) or simply this 'GTA has stopped working. Looking for a solution' dialog? If you're getting the former please send me a pm with all additional information and I'll see if I can fix either GTA or ELS to avoid this crash. I can't promise anything because I don't have the ELS source and can only apply some little asm patches.

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Thank you very much for your response, I'm happy to see a dev deeply concerned with tightening up the screws. Unfortunately, the crashes only give me the generic Windows 7 dialogue of "This program has stopped working, click here to close" and whatnot. I know there are error logs within Windows 7 for crashes, although I'm not positive if it would give you the information you need.

As stated in my first support thread, I'm a novice modder for GTA IV. It wasn't as straight forward for me as GTA III was (different engine, different install & file structure). If you can think of a function within Windows that give you an error report that would help you, please let me know and I'd be happy to copy that down for you. I spend lots of time on the mod solo despite the crashes (it's addictive), but having a seamless experience would be that much better.

I'll say that although sometimes the crashes can be random, it is usually caused while trying to get other officers involved, either via car, or helicopter. Something about the loading of that extra help that makes the game freeze, then go to a black screen and eventually give me that dialogue.

*EDIT*

On a side note, since I have your attention, although I have 'Traffic Control', taxis sometimes till congregate in a big bunch, which I hear can be common. But even stranger, I've actually seen mobs of cop cars group together too. Usually if I drive around for a couple of minutes I'll eventually see the cars return to normal. Kind of funny looking, to be honest. lol

*UPDATE*

Alright, I had another crash a minute ago, this time I decided to see if there was any sort of description. There was a small drop down menu labeled "details" which I decided to click on. I have copied all the information from it and will paste it here:

Description:

Critical runtime problem

Problem signature:

Problem Event Name: APPLICATION CRASH

System RAM: -1

Available RAM: -1717215232

Number of CPUs: 4

Video Card Manufacturer: NVIDIA

Video Card Description: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570

Video Card Driver Version: 8.17.0012.6658

OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1

Locale ID: 1033

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The negative values for RAM suggest to me there may possibly be a memory leak. I have 6GB of system ram which should be more than enough for any sort of game today. The crash happened as I was responding to a call out for Armed Robbers Fleeing. The suspect car was just about to drive forward when everything stopped, and the crash occurred.

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Hmm damn, this data won't help me because you got a runtime problem and not a crash at a specific code location. Every time you get a crash please look if you got other information, like offset and errorcode. About your taxis, I have no idea, because I've also some (about 8) cars added to the game but no taxi bug.

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Hmm damn, this data won't help me because you got a runtime problem and not a crash at a specific code location. Every time you get a crash please look if you got other information, like offset and errorcode. About your taxis, I have no idea, because I've also some (about 8) cars added to the game but no taxi bug.

The taxi & police car bug sometimes fixes itself after you drive around to another location, and sometimes (rarely) if you turn the camera behind you, the cars are miraculously replaced by something else. Both LCPD:FR and ELS scripts have random errors once in a while (as told to me via the message in the top corner of my screen), but it's fairly infrequent. Maybe I just have bad luck? I do have the original disc version, not the STEAM one. I got GTA IV when it came out.

I'll keep looking for other info. Do you know of any logging location I can look at where it might give more specifics?

As a good example I downloaded a blue screen error "reader" software that gives me specifics of what happened, where and when. It looks like this:

bssoftware.jpg

I know Windows has a couple of these types of programs built in to view logs similar to that. I just got that one because it's convenient, and blue screens are almost always a mystery unless you know how to develop and troubleshoot OS Kernels yourself. I'm a pretty savvy power user, but I'm not a tech genius.

I'll keep playing your mod and I'll see what happens. If you need any screenshots of my game folders or what-not, let me know.

*EDIT*

Crashed just a few seconds ago. Got the exact same error message except this time it said "Available RAM: -1953464320", whereas before, it was more like -17blahblahblahsomething. I still think it's a memory leak. This time it happened as I was responding to a shooting call. It was precisely as the normal pedestrians were changing to hostiles with guns. Similar crashes happen right as normal cars sitting in the road switch to fleeing armed robbery suspect cars. There's something about those loads that ruin it. I think it's a memory leak. Answer too many calls and the memory doesn't dump itself regularly, so it chokes. I was using approximately 4GB (I have 6GB) as I closed the game using the dialogue box.

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