8 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

 

You're not understanding the concept man. Christians that kill others in the name of God are ignorant and directly contradicting the word of God. Muslims that kill in the name of Allah are only doing what they've been commanded to do as per their beloved Quran. It's not the same thing.

 

 

 

Thank you, it's really that simple. Judging by the likes on my previous posts and various others we are not alone in thinking this.

1 hour ago, LCPD McGee said:

 

 

Thank you, it's really that simple. Judging by the likes on my previous posts and various others we are not alone in thinking this.

Don't understand why such a minority of people don't understand the concept, because they are a minority.

7 minutes ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Don't understand why such a minority of people don't understand the concept, because they are a minority.

 

I think a lot of people understand, however they are not publicly or even privately online willing to voice their own true personal opinion due to the fear of being criticized and or called out as something negative. 

6 hours ago, LCPD McGee said:

 

I think a lot of people understand, however they are not publicly or even privately online willing to voice their own true personal opinion due to the fear of being criticized and or called out as something negative. 

 

You're assuming people that have posted are giving fake opinions, and why?  Simply because they refuse to "understand" something that is said.  Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they don't understand.  I can guarantee almost every single person who has posted has given their honest opinion.  What purpose is there to lie on this forum?  Why should anyone care what you or anyone else thinks of their opinion?  The entire point of this section is to debate with people, whether you agree or disagree.

 

There's absolutely no reason to claim false opinions on the basis of "you refuse to agree with what I've said".

 

6 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Don't understand why such a minority of people don't understand the concept, because they are a minority.

 

We're basing majority and minority off likes?  Funny, 'cause plenty of people who have replied to you in other threads have gotten a shit ton of post likes, yet you still think you're right.

 

Lets remember, this is a forum where people with various opinions are allowed to post, not a "here is my opinion, if you choose to ignore it/not understand it, you're wrong".

 

 

Let's just agree to disagree and understand everyone has the right to their own opinion. However i don't like when people think that facts and proven statistics recorded world wide are false because they are considered " offensive " or " mean ". There is only the truth, not your truth. And the truth is there is a direct relation between Islamic Culture and violence and various other barbaric actions. Stoning, acid throwing, burning, arranged marriage to 13-15 year olds. Female genital mutilation in the form of removing the clitoris so that a women can experience no sexual pleasure, because in Islam women are only for breeding. All in all i will leave us with this. 

 

Edited March 28, 20188 yr by LCPD McGee

5 hours ago, LCPD McGee said:

Let's just agree to disagree and understand everyone has the right to their own opinion. However i don't like when people think that facts and proven statistics recorded world wide are false because they are considered " offensive " or " mean ". There is only the truth, not your truth. And the truth is there is a direct relation between Islamic Culture and violence and various other barbaric actions. Stoning, acid throwing, burning, arranged marriage to 13-15 year olds. Female genital mutilation in the form of removing the clitoris so that a women can experience no sexual pleasure, because in Islam women are only for breeding. All in all i will leave us with this. 

 

 

Your point is mute when gender mutilation happens in almost all religions.  Plenty of males who had Christian and Catholic parents had their genitals circumcised as babies.  Did they ever get a say in what happened to their genitals?  No, they had to live with it, and guess what, the parents are never held responsible for it!  There's no question Islam has some terrible things, but you and Divine are under the misguided assumption Islam is the only religion that has bad things about it.  News flash, all religion has their positive and negatives.  Stop being so close minded and focusing on the negatives only.  You're no better than the news that feeds off the bad things that happen.  You both can talk down about a religion all you want, but the reality is, it'll always exist.  It'll always have its followers, good or bad.

 

What really floors me about this entire debate is the attack against ISLAM specifically.  If you're going to try and attack religion, at least be fair and attack all of it, not just the one you don't like.

5 hours ago, LCPD McGee said:

Let's just agree to disagree and understand everyone has the right to their own opinion. However i don't like when people think that facts and proven statistics recorded world wide are false because they are considered "offensive" or "mean".

 

Okay. Okay. You might be upset by what I'm going to say, but it's an important bit, so here it is.

 

You. Have. NOT. Presented. Any. Kind. Of. Proven. Statistics. Or. Facts.

 

Zero. None.

 

All you presented was a bunch of videos showing 10 dudes doing useless shit (like there are thousands over the internet, from every country, race or religion), or from a bunch of biased people who barely presented any number based on... on what? Wikipedia, most likely? Because I haven't seen a single trustworthy institute credited as a source anywhere.

 

So don't come and talk about facts and proven statistics, because so far, your opinion is based on none of them, and solely on what you think is correct. Which, surprisingly enough, could be wrong, regardless of it's offensive or not.

Edited March 28, 20188 yr by Hystery

19 minutes ago, Hystery said:

 

Okay. Okay. You might be upset by what I'm going to say, but it's an important bit, so here it is.

 

You. Have. NOT. Presented. Any. Kind. Of. Proven. Statistics. Or. Facts.

 

Zero. None.

 

All you presented was a bunch of videos showing 10 dudes doing useless shit (like there are thousands over the internet, from every country, race or religion), or from a bunch of biased people who barely presented any number based on... on what? Wikipedia, most likely? Because I haven't seen a single trustworthy institute credited as a source anywhere.

 

So don't come and talk about facts and proven statistics, because so far, your opinion is based on none of them, and solely on what you think is correct. Which, surprisingly enough, could be wrong, regardless of it's offensive or not.

 

You refuse to accept facts. I'm not going to further debate something so stupid and simplistic on this thread. Way off topic here anyways at this point. I bet just how he turns a blind eye in London you do the same in France. It's cool and all, not my life not my problem. Meanwhile a few days ago in France....You lose a Citizen and a great man and Officer. To Radical Islam.

 

 

 

 

Europe has come a long way in the last hundred years, but some areas have gotten really bad with this cultural/ideological/political issue.

 

 

Nothing to see here people, move along lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's all fake though right?, never happened. All not proven facts from Universities you desire and such. Maybe once it reaches out and touches you it will become clearer for you what is occurring. 

 

Edited March 28, 20188 yr by LCPD McGee

34 minutes ago, LCPD McGee said:

You refuse to accept facts. I'm not going to further debate something so stupid and simplistic on this thread. Way off topic here anyways at this point. I bet just how he turns a blind eye in London you do the same in France. It's cool and all, not my life not my problem. Meanwhile a few days ago in France....You lose a Citizen and a great man and Officer. To Radical Islam.

 

I don't need to refuse to accept facts, because you haven't presented any. On the other hand, everytime someone presents you with a fact, a statistic, some history lesson or a proof of your blatant double standard and discriminatory behavior, you purposefully choose to ignore them.

 

Yes, we've got a hostage situation. Yes, innocent people died, and a police officer sacrificed his life to trade himself for a hostage. Did we lose them from islamic extremism and terrorism? Yes. Does that mean every, single, muslim is dangerous and should be put down? No. Because those are a minority. You want a fact? Here's one: if islamic terrorism and islamic extremism concerned a majority of muslims, France would be FUCKED. Because Islam is the second most popular religion here. But surprisingly enough, it's not a civil war or theological war outside. It's just a bunch of people from different origins trying to live all together. Extremists are a minority. Just like christian extremists are a minority. Or jews extremists are a minority. That, is a fact. Deal with it, friend.

 

34 minutes ago, LCPD McGee said:

[Bunch of videos about "No-go zones"]

 

Nothing to see here people, move along lol

 

That's all fake though right?, never happened. All not proven facts from Universities you desire and such. Maybe once it reaches out and touches you it will become clearer for you what is occurring. 

 

You know what? As a matter of fact, it is fake. Do you know where the "No-go zone" thing came from? Fox News (how surprising). Do you know how french medias responded? By sending journalists in said "no-go zones" and show that everyone could go wherever they want in those areas.

 

Oh, and you haven't heard the best part. Fox News APOLOGIZED for saying there were "no-go zones" in Paris, and even better, the mayor of Paris sued Fox News! Ain't that a beautiful proof that no-go zones are pure bullshit?

 

But of course, you're going to deny all this. Rightfully so, after all, you most likely know better than me what happens in my own country.

Edited March 28, 20188 yr by Hystery

Ok. Very interesting stuff. One video was out of context. Good to know. 

 

Most of the videos i sourced are based on confirmed information from REAL knowledgable sources, including UMD. Go ahead and see how many of the attacks listed involved Islam. I am not just blowing these numbers out my rear end ( nor is Ben Shapiro or other informed political analyst and etc. ). 

 

http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

Edited March 28, 20188 yr by LCPD McGee

8 hours ago, LCPD McGee said:

Let's just agree to disagree and understand everyone has the right to their own opinion. However i don't like when people think that facts and proven statistics recorded world wide are false because they are considered " offensive " or " mean "

With respect the only point you have tried to make so far is that the United Kingdom is Afghanistan backed up by a few videos and the opinion of the leader of Englands anti-muslim group. I don't like when people like you blatantly make up stuff and try and back them up with opinions which are masquareded as a fact to simply try and prove a point.

 

I will listen to facts but none have yet to be presented stating that all 1.8 billion muslims are terrorists and until some evidence comes out saying they are, I will continue to believe that Muslims shouldn't be banned from any country for other peoples actions.

On 3/27/2018 at 11:24 PM, Giordano said:

We're basing majority and minority off likes?  Funny, 'cause plenty of people who have replied to you in other threads have gotten a shit ton of post likes, yet you still think you're right.

 

Lets remember, this is a forum where people with various opinions are allowed to post, not a "here is my opinion, if you choose to ignore it/not understand it, you're wrong".

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No, we're basing majority and minority off of statistics. I'll refer you to the charts that I've posted earlier in the thread. Also, those that have liked your stuff are typically the same people that like everything that goes against what I'm saying in any debate and have been for years.

18 hours ago, Hystery said:

So don't come and talk about facts and proven statistics, because so far, your opinion is based on none of them, and solely on what you think is correct. Which, surprisingly enough, could be wrong, regardless of it's offensive or not.

 

I'm still patiently awaiting my Quran interpretations of how the commands to slaughter aren't actually violent.

15 hours ago, Ben said:

until some evidence comes out saying they are, I will continue to believe that Muslims shouldn't be banned from any country for other peoples actions.

 

The proof is in the pudding.

 

We've presented verses of the Quran that state exactly this. Commands to slaughter the non-believers and commands to literally terrorize the infidels. Have you ever read the Quran, Ben?

7 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

No, we're basing majority and minority off of statistics. I'll refer you to the charts that I've posted earlier in the thread.

 

Charts based on what people "think" rather than what reality actually is. I know it's difficult to conceive, but your perception of the world doesn't mean the world is actually like how you perceive it. Charts that are based on people's sentiments have no scientific value when it comes to statistics. Feelings =/= facts.

 

7 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

Also, those that have liked your stuff are typically the same people that like everything that goes against what I'm saying in any debate and have been for years.

 

Funny, that's exactly what you do as well. But if I tell you that, you're going to tell me that for you it's not the same, that you put a like on people's posts because you agree with them, while other people put a like on people's posts just because they want to team up against you regardless of if they agree with the posts content or not. That's weird, I swear I've seen this line of defense somewhere... Oh yeah, it's the same as "We're not the same, it's not the same, they're different and they come for us" argument that I've seen being repeated over and over on this thread. You know, that's almost paranoia at this point.

 

7 hours ago, TheDivineHustle said:

I'm still patiently awaiting my Quran interpretations of how the commands to slaughter aren't actually violent.

 

Do you know what the New Testament says? "2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." All scripture includes the Old Testament. The Old Testament which is, actually, even more violent than the Quran. I could also quote quite some hateful or violent verses from the New Testament if you want me to. But, surprisingly so, I haven't got a christian trying to slaughter me for blaspheming their god or being gay, despite what the Old Testament or New Testament say. Could it be that christians actually don't follow every single word of what their holy texts are saying?

 

My point is, you can be as religious as you want, no one, and I insist on that, no one ever follows every single precept the Bible, the Quran or any other holy book are teaching. No one. For example, you're christian. Somewhat your religion forbids you from stealing. But I'm pretty sure that, as anyone else in the world, at some point you stole a candy from a friend or someone else, or a pen from the school, or any other small thing you'd consider so small it'd be irrelevant. Because everyone is like this and everyone does this. No one follows every word of what a book says. Everyone makes their own interpretation. Everyone decides to follow or not follow a certain part of a book. 

 

And if you want an example (and actual fact), it's easy: you keep saying muslims are taught to follow every word of the Quran. Alright. Then how do you explain almost every muslim in your country or mine doesn't try to slaughter you for being a christian, if it's not that they purposefully decide to ignore that part of their book?

 

 

Edited March 29, 20188 yr by Hystery

For fuck's sake. From the forum description:

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This thread is a pretty good example of why we removed politics as a category. It's a zombie thread that should never have been revived, which in the revival lost all connection to the actual attack in November 2017 that spawned it. I'm locking this.

 

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