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I was passing through and thought that I would lend some clarity to this.

One, not all police in the United States are EMT trained, in fact, very few are. Typically the only police that recieve actual EMT training (at the NREMT standard) tactical teams, resident law enforcement officer, police officers serving as flight officers on helicopter units (who recieve paramedic training on occasion), boat/marine units, or police officers that are part of a combined "Department of Public Safety" in which all sworn personnel are trained as both police officers and firefighters (e.g. Sunnyvale CA).

Secondly, CPR has an NEAR ZERO chance of converting a lethal cardiac dysrythmia. "Cardiac Arrest" is when the heart muscle ceases to be able to efficiently circulate blood. This is most commonly caused by a lethal rhythm called ventricular fibrillation with is essentially the disorganized quivering of the lower chambers of the heart. No matter what the root cause of vfib is, cannot be converted without the introduction of electricity to sort've "restart" the heart's electrical system. Mechanical compressions (the core aspect of CPR) will not convert an electrical rhythm in the heart. Ever. The can lengthen the amount of time someone's brain and heart can survive without a heartbeat, sometimes quite significantly, but the only way to "bring someone back" from cardiac arrest is defibrillation.

Current survival rates are all over the place, but with early intervention and good CPR certain communities are seeing survival rates in the 30 and 40%, sometimes higher, but this is only counting witnessed arrest where the lethal rythym was shockable (one where a defibrillator would be effective, there are some, such as the notorious "flatline", that are not shockable). Also factor in that survival rates are measured very differently. Some measure anyone who regains a pulse, some measure those who survive until they reach the hospital, some to 24, and yet others until hospital discharge or beyond. So no one statistic is definate, greatly depending on the area and the methods of measurement.

Also, there are tons of non-EMS agencies that carry defibrillators. Manual defibrillators are $65k pieces of equiptment only appropriate for use by a paramedic or in a hospital, but much cheaper $1,500 or so Automatic defibrillators (AEDs) are increasingly common. They're found in various public areas, as well as being carried by many non-paramedic public safety entities such as police, fire, park services etc. NYPD's AED pilot program has been in use since 1997. AEDs are about 90% as effective as a trained paramedic wih a manual defibrillator.

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    I was passing through and thought that I would lend some clarity to this. One, not all police in the United States are EMT trained, in fact, very few are. Typically the only police that recieve act

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Agreed, LEOs are not mandated to be certified as an EMT-B. Some may recieve certification at the First responder level, I think the Fire colleges call it EMC certification... Many agencies have SOPs which prefer Officers to provide only life-saving care. However, lots of departments are having their Officers certified in Adult, Child, Infant CPR and Adult, Child AED. AEDs are relatively inexpensive and I can say from personal experience that they save many lives. I had heard that one city, maybe Buffalo, has AED's on many street corners as they provide voice commands and are easy to use without experience. The AEDs are housed in a container and once they are accessed a direct line of communication is setup between the dispatchers and the person using the AED. It's kinda like those Police Call boxes you see at Universitys except they now have AEDs!

Maybe... 1% chance Police Officer, or just enough to keep them alive until EMS arrives and they have 60% chance like someone said(Yay Imaginary defibrillators ftw!)

even though its not entirely realistic just make it so that the people that are half dead (laying on the ground moveing) can be revived along with the getting on thare feet more smothly and that would be good enough for me or maybe even make it harder in hardcore, just some food for thought.

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Appears as though it's near impossible for me to resurrect someone now, and as usual Ambulances either don't show up or they just drive past the blood bath at the end of a shootout. lol I used to be able to solo-res an entire crime scene. :tongue: I wouldn't put it past myself to hit a wrong button combo. Just using Alt & M right now.

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Appears as though it's near impossible for me to resurrect someone now, and as usual Ambulances either don't show up or they just drive past the blood bath at the end of a shootout. lol I used to be able to solo-res an entire crime scene. :tongue: I wouldn't put it past myself to hit a wrong button combo. Just using Alt & M right now.

Lol, friggin medics. Like it happened to someone in a video, he called the medics, the medics came and instead of helping the woman drowning in her own blood... guess what... there was a hotdog guy next to the dying woman, well I'm just gonna say that he preferred to save his stomach rather than the life of the woman.

Wow dude I wish you had a video of that happening. I wouldn't put it past them though. lol I would have shot the hotdog guy, Would have got his attention that way. :rolleyes:

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Lol, friggin medics. Like it happened to someone in a video, he called the medics, the medics came and instead of helping the woman drowning in her own blood... guess what... there was a hotdog guy next to the dying woman, well I'm just gonna say that he preferred to save his stomach rather than the life of the woman.

Since when did Carl transfer to EMS? :teehee:

Since when did Carl transfer to EMS? :teehee:

Lol... Imagine fatcop as the EMS... I'm gonna replace the EMS model with Fatcop and make a new EMS skin. LOL Hilarious... when the fat EMS gets to the injured person he's already dead and In a coffin.

Lol... Imagine fatcop as the EMS... I'm gonna replace the EMS model with Fatcop and make a new EMS skin. LOL Hilarious... when the fat EMS gets to the injured person he's already dead and In a coffin.

In my experience, fire fighting that is, the EMS teams we worked with were always one skinny, young, effeminate kid and one big ol' gal who was busting out of her uniform. And in all seriousness, the AI ambulance drivers in GTAIV seem like pros compared to the ones I've worked with on actual calls.

In my experience, fire fighting that is, the EMS teams we worked with were always one skinny, young, effeminate kid and one big ol' gal who was busting out of her uniform. And in all seriousness, the AI ambulance drivers in GTAIV seem like pros compared to the ones I've worked with on actual calls.

Lol wtf... I remember this from somewhere... I once went in an ambulance and the guy was skinny , and the woman looked more like a man lol.

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Well, in 0.95RC1 there seems to be a much lower chance of reviving downed suspects/officers, at least in my experience, so is this problem resolved?

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Well, in 0.95RC1 there seems to be a much lower chance of reviving downed suspects/officers, at least in my experience, so is this problem resolved?

The thing I feel it is, from my experience is that you often have to revive them ASAP. If you wait, they'll simply die from lack of care.

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