Ya, and those people are called wanna-be's. You can have functioning lights/sirens on it, but you better hope you don't get caught using them.

 

The Crown Vic that we all know will never return. I'm sure Ford will bring in a design in 10-15 years and name it that, but it will not be the same car, just like the Caprice.

 

Hell, I loved the old Caprice, but that doesn't mean I want to see that design brought back. It just doesn't work in today's market.

 

While the Crown Vic is very roomy, it handles like utter crap. Your life is in the balance in any inclement weather no matter if it's rain, ice, or snow. At speeds over 100mph you feel like you're floating, which is not a good thing. The new PI by Ford is way too small inside. I find it funny that a car "totally designed for police functioning" is really anything but.

 

The Charger is the only vehicle that really compares to the CVPI, while maintaining modern features. It's got plenty of room, plenty of power, and is rear-wheel drive. Although the 2014 models will have AWD as an option which is great. Give me a Charger any day. I can't say much about the Caprice because I've not seen it. But if I had to choose a car, I'll take the Charger.

 

Check your tone with the wannabe crap get's really irritating since you would take a Charger I can call you a wannabe? same thing, since you have no idea some of the reason why people buy them..

I have an 03 CVPI, has it's issues but they are a great riding car & keep in mind the regular maintenance done on them while in service, sounds good,

FYI lights are legal where I am & I have lights in mine

Cop wannabe's have radio's scanners, spotlights, hells some don't even have lights, they have everything else though.

Never will happen, Ford made 2 much better models with the Interceptor's and Utility then it did with the CVPI. After all, the CVPI was a civilian car modified to become a police car, the newer models are designed from the beginning to be a police car, there made for officer comfort and control. Many departments in my area are using the Utility as every day patrols because they find the SUV is much better in the winter months. Saves money on the chains and the manpower to put them on. Officers like them more and that's what the final choice comes down to. Every officer I talk to like the newer models better then the old boat of CVPI.

Never will happen, Ford made 2 much better models with the Interceptor's and Utility then it did with the CVPI. After all, the CVPI was a civilian car modified to become a police car, the newer models are designed from the beginning to be a police car, there made for officer comfort and control. Many departments in my area are using the Utility as every day patrols because they find the SUV is much better in the winter months. Saves money on the chains and the manpower to put them on. Officers like them more and that's what the final choice comes down to. Every officer I talk to like the newer models better then the old boat of CVPI.

 

The CVPI was a civilian car modified to be a police car?

And so was the Taurus. It has been a civilian car for years.

 

Yes the Taurus and Explorer PI's were designed to be police cars, and so was the CVPI.

 

Once again, you can't say police officers like them in general, every officer is entitled to their own opinion just as we are.

Just because all the ones you talked to like them, doesn't mean every single one does.

The CVPI was a civilian car modified to be a police car?

And so was the Taurus. It has been a civilian car for years.

 

Yes the Taurus and Explorer PI's were designed to be police cars, and so was the CVPI.

 

Once again, you can't say police officers like them in general, every officer is entitled to their own opinion just as we are.

Just because all the ones you talked to like them, doesn't mean every single one does.

 

You are apparently the 'CVPI' fan, so I have a question. What's the difference between the P71 and P7B?

You are apparently the 'CVPI' fan, so I have a question. What's the difference between the P71 and P7B?

 

There's no physical difference.

They changed it simply because there was becoming too much P71 VIN numbers, and in 2010/2011 it was changed to P7B.

 

Just like in the '90s there was a P72 VIN, before it was changed to P71.

And the standard Crown Victorias had P73.

Edited February 19, 201412 yr by Chamimnya

There's no physical difference.

They changed it simply because there was becoming too much P71 VIN numbers, and in 2010/2011 it was changed to P7B.

Anything else?

 

EDIT: Just like in the '90s there was a P72 VIN, before it was changed to P71.

And the standard LX Crown Victorias had P73.

 

Hmmm... Cool! Thanks! 

The CVPI was a civilian car modified to be a police car?

And so was the Taurus. It has been a civilian car for years.

 

Yes the Taurus and Explorer PI's were designed to be police cars, and so was the CVPI.

 

Once again, you can't say police officers like them in general, every officer is entitled to their own opinion just as we are.

Just because all the ones you talked to like them, doesn't mean every single one does.

 

What's funny about that statement is the civilian crown vics other than the LX & other Sedan CV's were not made public & were designed AS civilian CV's but weren't actually made available to the public, so they provided them with this massive 4.6L V8 engine that had more power & unique modifications, struts, sway bars, rear shocks, chipped motor then any ordinary civilian vehicle.

 

I have one, it's 11 years old, but she hauls ass and keep up with the new model F-150, I have raced it a few times, the good thing about them is when you actually drive one it is in fact a boat, but it feels a lot smaller driving it then it actually is & I love the handling & the increased turning radius.

the newer models are designed from the beginning to be a police car, there made for officer comfort and control.

No they aren't. The new Fords are based off of the Ford Explorer and the Ford Taurus SHO, although they're both uglier than their civilian counterparts, if you ask me. That being said, the law enforcement versions of these cars are indeed much more well thought out as far as it's equipment setup goes. It's way more than just comfort and control. As far as the Taurus goes, seating in the back is now better for prisoners, the front cabin is more comfortable for the officers, the engine has been changed from a big V8 to a smaller V6 which gets better gas mileage, but it is now turbocharged to make it slightly faster than the Crown Victoria. The car's body is smaller and lighter so handling is better.

 

On paper, the Taurus is a great car. I have a few problems with them though:

1.) With the cars reduced weight, comes reduced strength and durability. A PIT maneuver from a CVPI is heavy hitting and can spin you off of the road regardless of whether you're driving a Toyota Corolla or a Ford F350. I've even seen a single Crown Victoria push an entire stolen school bus with a PIT (although it wasn't able to 100% spin the bus). Although the Ford Taurus is lighter and nimbler, it won't be able to shrug off any damage it may incur during pursuits as well as the old Crown Vics do, nor will the car on car impact be as forceful so PITS and rolling roadblocks will be less effective.

2.) Turbochargers are great in theory since they can take mediocre engines and turn them into absolute beasts just by fitting a small accessory to the engine. But there is turbo lag associated with that, meaning that if you mash your foot down, there can be a delay between the pedal reaching the floor, and the car responding to it. A V8 that's cranking out all of its power all the time is less efficient on fuel, but guarantees all the power is there when you need it. 0-60 time isn't everything. 40-100 is important for chases since not every single police chase starts out with a suspect vehicle that's completely stopped.

 

3.) They're not really any less expensive to buy or maintain than the CVPI's were.

 

4.) They're ugly, and they don't appear to be well made. Just look at it:

 

My 8 year old computer chair that's falling apart looks like it's built better than that thing.

Edited February 19, 201412 yr by unr3al

 

4.) They're ugly, and they don't appear to be well made. Just look at it:

 

My 8 year old computer chair that's falling apart looks like it's built better than that thing.

 

I can DEFINITELY agree with you there. :P

No they aren't. The new Fords are based off of the Ford Explorer and the Ford Taurus SHO, although they're both uglier than their civilian counterparts, if you ask me. That being said, the law enforcement versions of these cars are indeed much more well thought out as far as it's equipment setup goes. It's way more than just comfort and control. As far as the Taurus goes, seating in the back is now better for prisoners, the front cabin is more comfortable for the officers, the engine has been changed from a big V8 to a smaller V6 which gets better gas mileage, but it is now turbocharged to make it slightly faster than the Crown Victoria. The car's body is smaller and lighter so handling is better.

 

On paper, the Taurus is a great car. I have a few problems with them though:

1.) With the cars reduced weight, comes reduced strength and durability. A PIT maneuver from a CVPI is heavy hitting and can spin you off of the road regardless of whether you're driving a Toyota Corolla or a Ford F350. I've even seen a single Crown Victoria push an entire stolen school bus with a PIT (although it wasn't able to 100% spin the bus). Although the Ford Taurus is lighter and nimbler, it won't be able to shrug off any damage it may incur during pursuits as well as the old Crown Vics do, nor will the car on car impact be as forceful so PITS and rolling roadblocks will be less effective.

2.) Turbochargers are great in theory since they can take mediocre engines and turn them into absolute beasts just by fitting a small accessory to the engine. But there is turbo lag associated with that, meaning that if you mash your foot down, there can be a delay between the pedal reaching the floor, and the car responding to it. A V8 that's cranking out all of its power all the time is less efficient on fuel, but guarantees all the power is there when you need it. 0-60 time isn't everything. 40-100 is important for chases since not every single police chase starts out with a suspect vehicle that's completely stopped.

 

3.) They're not really any less expensive to buy or maintain than the CVPI's were.

 

4.) They're ugly, and they don't appear to be well made. Just look at it:

 

My 8 year old computer chair that's falling apart looks like it's built better than that thing.

 

Your response was def very thought out, +1 to you, great facts!

 

No they aren't. The new Fords are based off of the Ford Explorer and the Ford Taurus SHO, although they're both uglier than their civilian counterparts, if you ask me. That being said, the law enforcement versions of these cars are indeed much more well thought out as far as it's equipment setup goes. It's way more than just comfort and control. As far as the Taurus goes, seating in the back is now better for prisoners, the front cabin is more comfortable for the officers, the engine has been changed from a big V8 to a smaller V6 which gets better gas mileage, but it is now turbocharged to make it slightly faster than the Crown Victoria. The car's body is smaller and lighter so handling is better.

 

On paper, the Taurus is a great car. I have a few problems with them though:

1.) With the cars reduced weight, comes reduced strength and durability. A PIT maneuver from a CVPI is heavy hitting and can spin you off of the road regardless of whether you're driving a Toyota Corolla or a Ford F350. I've even seen a single Crown Victoria push an entire stolen school bus with a PIT (although it wasn't able to 100% spin the bus). Although the Ford Taurus is lighter and nimbler, it won't be able to shrug off any damage it may incur during pursuits as well as the old Crown Vics do, nor will the car on car impact be as forceful so PITS and rolling roadblocks will be less effective.

2.) Turbochargers are great in theory since they can take mediocre engines and turn them into absolute beasts just by fitting a small accessory to the engine. But there is turbo lag associated with that, meaning that if you mash your foot down, there can be a delay between the pedal reaching the floor, and the car responding to it. A V8 that's cranking out all of its power all the time is less efficient on fuel, but guarantees all the power is there when you need it. 0-60 time isn't everything. 40-100 is important for chases since not every single police chase starts out with a suspect vehicle that's completely stopped.

 

3.) They're not really any less expensive to buy or maintain than the CVPI's were.

 

4.) They're ugly, and they don't appear to be well made. Just look at it:

 

My 8 year old computer chair that's falling apart looks like it's built better than that thing.

 

I love the Taurus <3 not gonna argue, we all have our own opinions. 

1.) The amount of PIT's happening now(Atleast in my area of MA) has gone down, very rarely are PIT depolyed due to issues of officer safety. No car can do a PIT and not have the chance of injuring the officer and/or others on the roadways. Most go till the suspect hits something, or is able to get blocked in somehow. With todays computers and cameras, get the plate number and if they go over a certain MPH(In MA I think its 100 in a car and 90 on Bike) they let them go and cancel the pursuit. Just a question, what right mind officer would ever PIT a school bus with a CVPI, thats why they make spikes...

2.) Clearly you have not driven a Ford with a ecoboost motor, There is no such delay, you press on the pedal and it gives the power right to you. The delay doe not exist, and compared to a V8 the 0-60 is the same. The fuel economy has been better and departments all over have reported to save money by changing to the smaller engines. We dont live in the gas guzzle world anymore.

 

3.) Exactly, so why make two models. You have a car out of production completely. And a model in production in which can only be improved on. The old CVPI was a boat.

 

4.) Ugliness is a personal choice. They dont look bad, they can handle the damage and made look modern.

 

 

The point of this thread wasn't to voice which on is better then the other. The CVPI had a long stretch of success that no one can lie about. The car has been used all over the world and been through the ages. For a vehicle it lasted and did its job but like all models, they must retire. A new design team comes in and releases a model that they can build off what the Taurus, They took active officers, asked them what they wanted and provided that in a car in which departments can afford, saves money and is easy to maintain. The point is, Ford released 2 models for first responders, both have been on the market for over and year and had like all vehicles mixed reviews but generally most have been good. The officer are after all the ones that matter here, this is their office. These 2 models have forever changed the way a police car is made and it has been seen in the Chevy and Dodge models.

 

This is the future and no amount of signature will change that, sorry folks!

 

Edited February 19, 201412 yr by Soucy

1.) The amount of PIT's happening now(Atleast in my area of MA) has gone down

2.) Clearly you have not driven a Ford with a ecoboost motor, There is no such delay, you press on the pedal and it gives the power right to you. The delay doe not exist, and compared to a V8 the 0-60 is the same. The fuel economy has been better and departments all over have reported to save money by changing to the smaller engines. We dont live in the gas guzzle world anymore.

 

3.) Exactly, so why make two models. You have a car out of production completely. And a model in production in which can only be improved on. The old CVPI was a boat.

 

4.) Ugliness is a personal choice. They dont look bad, they can handle the damage and made look modern.

1.) There are 49 other states in the U.S. with different pursuit policies, and these cars are also being sold to other countries. It's not healthy for any company or anybody to say "Well it doesn't effect me, so I don't care." 

 

2.) I'm not talking about Ecoboost, I'm talking about a turbocharger, which is something the Police Taurus is supposed to be equipped with according to the statistics of the vehicle. Turbochargers have lag unless it's compensated for by a complicated electronics system which you'll only find on the finest sports cars and super cars. Smaller turbochargers don't have as bad of lag, but we're talking about Ford here, so I doubt what they're doing with any engine beyond that of the GT40 or the Mustang is precision engineering per se. I also already mentioned that 40-100 is equally if not more important for cars. 0-60 time is slightly reduced with the Taurus but not enough to merit a whole "new" design, and to merit the same cost per vehicle.

 

Cutting features to cut cost isn't always the best solution to things, either. The reason the CVPI consumed fuel the way it did was because it's latest generation was designed in the late 1990's and had barely changed since then.  V8's don't always have to guzzle gas. There are plenty of companies out there that can produce V8's with even higher horsepower and torque levels that can give you upwards of 30mpg, some of them by disabling cylinders when not in use, some of them by using a fancy electronic motor, some by just plain more thoughtful engineering. Ford, like many companies, got lazy and didn't change the design because there weren't enough complaints. The CVPI itself was canceled out of convenience, because the civilian Crown Vics weren't selling. Not because of complaints from law enforcement.

Regarding PITing a bus, it was an example. And the bus had already been spiked but didn't stop. It took three Chevy Tahoe's to spin it out. But I was pointing out the fact that the CVPI had enough power and weight to knock around something as heavy as a bus. The Taurus looks like a tin can, and the body is smaller which improves handling but at a couple of sacrifices I already went over.

 

3.) I'm not saying they should make two models. I don't support the Crown Vic coming back. I just came to this thread to talk about the new Taurus, which I don't like. I didn't say I think the Crown Victoria should still exist in its current state. It shouldn't. I think Ford needs to scrap the Taurus AND the Crown Vic and make a new car from scratch, or let Dodge have it since the Charger has most of the benefits of the Crown Vic and is roughly the same cost. Any vehicle that's supposed to be touted as a better answer to an old question better have what it needs to prove that, and a price tag to match. I pointed out that there are benefits to the Taurus, 100%. But with all of the corners Ford cut, they should have been able to cut the price down by a few grand, especially with all the plastics and the lightweight body work they used. But nope. That's Ford for you.

 

4.) It is personal choice, yes. Keep in mind I just listed what problems I had with it, not problems everybody thinks it has or police departments themselves have with it, although I'm sure I'm not alone with my perspective.

Edited February 19, 201412 yr by unr3al

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I posted on the first page my thoughts on the Ford NGPI on the first page. I have serious doubts to longevity and cost of service/maintenance being better or the same as the Crown Victoria.

 

Also, ever sat in one? The beltline for the car is way too high and the interior visibility sucks.

I agree the new taurus/caprices look seriously awful.

A little off topic, but since this conversation has transitioned to Taurus's it seems, I'll add my own two cents.

 

It seems Ford's pushing for the future where the Taurus and Explorer (Police Interceptor Series) are their main police cars for sale (There were others you know!), and from what I've seen the Taurus is off to a bad start. A lot of departments have rejected their use for one reason or another. Our state bought a few for testing in the field, and implemented a few (My neighbor is a state trooper and he's got an unmarked one) but it's nowhere as popular as its counterpart, the explorer SUV. In my state, the state police has only been buying explorers recently (They maintain the oldest and a relatively large fleet). They love them. The 2007 chargers were a huge disappointment for the department, so they did not buy the 2012 models. The caprices were not chosen due to the oversea production issue, and the impalas, well let's be serious here, we're looking for highway patrol/ police cars. As for the vics, it's still the most common vehicle in the fleets by far, such a versatile vehicle.  

 

As of the 2014 lineup, Chevy - Tahoe/Impala/Caprice, Dodge - Charger, Ford - Police Interceptor Sedan/SUV, in my experience I'm seeing the Explorers coming out as the clear winner here. (Based on what I've been seeing in my state, both Local/State/Federal level). 

 

WARNING: OPINION: As for personal appearance and personal taste, I love the rear of the Crown Victoria. I love the front of the Ford PI Sedan (Menacing), I hate the rear of the 2012 Charger (Too flashy, looks like a typical Dodge Sports Car), and overall hate the Caprice & Impalas (Tahoe is only solid Chevy vehicle). :)

Edited February 20, 201412 yr by Mr.Quiggles

Check your tone with the wannabe crap get's really irritating since you would take a Charger I can call you a wannabe? same thing, since you have no idea some of the reason why people buy them..

I have an 03 CVPI, has it's issues but they are a great riding car & keep in mind the regular maintenance done on them while in service, sounds good,

FYI lights are legal where I am & I have lights in mine

Cop wannabe's have radio's scanners, spotlights, hells some don't even have lights, they have everything else though.

 

As far as "tone" goes, how about you check yours, buddy.

 

I'm sure you'll have a difficult time following along, so I'll try and keep it as simple as possible for you. There's no need to call me a "wanna-be" because the simple reason why I would take a Charger over a Ford PI is because I would take it for the patrol use. I am a police officer, so if I want to throw my 2 cents in about what makes a better patrol vehicle, I think I'm much more qualified than you.

 

I'm fully aware why the majority of people buy used police vehicles. They're cheap, well maintained, and durable. Cab companies also like them because they have a lot of space as well as the prior reasons mentioned. Then you have some waco's such as yourself who just like to show off. If you look more closely at my first post, you'll see that I said lights are legal so long as you don't actually turn them on. Why, may I ask, do you have lights in yours? Just in case you happen to "roll" up on something and be of some assistance? If so, don't bother. Be like the majority of people and just call 911 and let us handle it. We don't need your help. Is it so you can flash your lights at people to scare them? Is that something you enjoy? Gotta get your rocks off somehow, right? Either way, there's really no good justification for putting lights on a civilian road-used vehicle. All it does is make you look like an idiot. Do yourself a favor and take them off.

 

You are correct that wanna-be's also have anntenae, scanners, etc...But the most visible thing are the lights. If you have an old police car that's made to look like a police car, it doesn't matter what combination you have in it, you're still a douche. Maybe you're having a rough time being called a wanna-be and it's getting irritated because it's true? Now, did you get all of my "tone" in this one?

 

Now, back on topic....The new Ford has an option of getting the Ecoboost in it. It is more expensive though and more costly to repair, so many places are just opting for the regular V6. Despite what some people are saying, there IS a noticable delay when you punch the gas. However, you get used to it and it doesn't take long for the car (even without the boost) to kick up to speed. The handling in them is outstanding. The downsides is that the vehicle is not very comfortable and space in the main cabin is extremely tight. Getting in and out of the door is awful as the door frame was made way too narrow. I'm not sure if they've fixed that in the new models.

 

Many are opting for the SUV's. They have a ton of space and they're not overly uncomfortable. The handling is just as good and they're just as fast. They're a little more expensive than the sedans though, so that is a draw back.

 

Dodge is really setting themselves up nicely with the new models, as they will also have an AWD option. They're fast, they handle well, they have plenty of room, and the just look awesome. The new models are much better improved also. In my opinion, the Charger is what resembles the old Crown Vic the closest as far as an operatable patrol vehicle. Not everyone has that opinion though and that's fine. However, if you're just some jackass spouting off about the functionality of a patrol vehicle when you have no idea what you're talking about, please do everyone a favor and shut up.

^ lol I agree putting strobes in an ex cop car just screams wana be no matter how hard you try to justify yourself they are pointless and serve no purpose if you are not a real police officer

The CVPI was a civilian car modified to be a police car?

And so was the Taurus. It has been a civilian car for years.

 

Yes the Taurus and Explorer PI's were designed to be police cars, and so was the CVPI.

 

Once again, you can't say police officers like them in general, every officer is entitled to their own opinion just as we are.

Just because all the ones you talked to like them, doesn't mean every single one does.

 

The CVPI was using 20 year old technology, nothing note changed from 1999, to 2012 or when ever they stopped making them. They were designed the same way, had the same specs and stuff. I know cops that hate the crown vic, I know cops that hate the caprice, I know cops that hate all cop cars because none of them are as good as civilian vehicles... 

 

I may not be a cop, but I have done enough hours in the squad car to know, these newer models handle a whole lot better then the CVPI. For starters taking a turn in the crown vic you could easily lose control and spin out. In the new squads its not like that anymore, they handle better, they stop faster. Only thing is they really don't have a lot of room in them. The department I ride at has the new police interceptor and the new Chevy Tahoe or what ever it is. The handling in both are out standing. Also in Wisconsin the AWD comes in nice because now the cops can actually drive in the snow with out losing control and wrapping the car around a light pole. 

 

I think its safe to say this topic should be close. Everyone here is just pulling this crap out of there ass when in fact they don't know a flying fuck of what there talking about. 

The only people that actually know what these cars are capable of are the cops and the people who have rode over 100 hours in them...

Edited February 20, 201412 yr by Darkangel

As far as "tone" goes, how about you check yours, buddy.

 

I'm sure you'll have a difficult time following along, so I'll try and keep it as simple as possible for you. There's no need to call me a "wanna-be" because the simple reason why I would take a Charger over a Ford PI is because I would take it for the patrol use. I am a police officer, so if I want to throw my 2 cents in about what makes a better patrol vehicle, I think I'm much more qualified than you.

 

I'm fully aware why the majority of people buy used police vehicles. They're cheap, well maintained, and durable. Cab companies also like them because they have a lot of space as well as the prior reasons mentioned. Then you have some waco's such as yourself who just like to show off. If you look more closely at my first post, you'll see that I said lights are legal so long as you don't actually turn them on. Why, may I ask, do you have lights in yours? Just in case you happen to "roll" up on something and be of some assistance? If so, don't bother. Be like the majority of people and just call 911 and let us handle it. We don't need your help. Is it so you can flash your lights at people to scare them? Is that something you enjoy? Gotta get your rocks off somehow, right? Either way, there's really no good justification for putting lights on a civilian road-used vehicle. All it does is make you look like an idiot. Do yourself a favor and take them off.

 

You are correct that wanna-be's also have anntenae, scanners, etc...But the most visible thing are the lights. If you have an old police car that's made to look like a police car, it doesn't matter what combination you have in it, you're still a douche. Maybe you're having a rough time being called a wanna-be and it's getting irritated because it's true? Now, did you get all of my "tone" in this one?

 

Now, back on topic....The new Ford has an option of getting the Ecoboost in it. It is more expensive though and more costly to repair, so many places are just opting for the regular V6. Despite what some people are saying, there IS a noticable delay when you punch the gas. However, you get used to it and it doesn't take long for the car (even without the boost) to kick up to speed. The handling in them is outstanding. The downsides is that the vehicle is not very comfortable and space in the main cabin is extremely tight. Getting in and out of the door is awful as the door frame was made way too narrow. I'm not sure if they've fixed that in the new models.

 

Many are opting for the SUV's. They have a ton of space and they're not overly uncomfortable. The handling is just as good and they're just as fast. They're a little more expensive than the sedans though, so that is a draw back.

 

Dodge is really setting themselves up nicely with the new models, as they will also have an AWD option. They're fast, they handle well, they have plenty of room, and the just look awesome. The new models are much better improved also. In my opinion, the Charger is what resembles the old Crown Vic the closest as far as an operatable patrol vehicle. Not everyone has that opinion though and that's fine. However, if you're just some jackass spouting off about the functionality of a patrol vehicle when you have no idea what you're talking about, please do everyone a favor and shut up.

 

Not the place for an argument, PM inbound.

 

 

@Tz71- how long did that take you to think up?