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  1. I think the initial point they were trying to make was that US is now trying to play the good guy, bombing countries that use chemical weapons, but that they haven't been so good either. Anyway, Russians claim to have identified 17 people that are supposedly dead. Interesting fact is that they're bringing them to OPCW HQ in The Hague... ALIVE. At least 7 of them are clearly identifiable as being in the video, being a victim of the attack. (Source: https://nos.nl/artikel/2228854-rusland-syrische-doden-uit-nepvideo-douma-komen-naar-den-haag.html Dutch National News, big time pro-western. In Dutch but tweet speaking for itself.). If this is true, that means US, UK and FRA have a lot of explaining to do.
  2. Yeah a couple of years ago we merged all 25 policedistricts to 1 big national police organisation. As you may know our country is pretty small, which is in this case a benefit. That makes it so that we have very standardized processes and systems in place now, which is a good thing. The bad thing though that there is 1 central application proces, and being denied for that, means that you have no alternatives, except for waiting 6 months/1 year to reapply. In that sense I am jealous of Americans who have pleeeennttyyyy of choices :D
  3. You sure as hell can't post statistics here without any context or any other factors that could possibly influence those statistics though.
  4. So what is the American take on efficiency?
  5. Americans saying "Time for van control" incoming :D Good police work. National news here in my country covers this as well. Tweet from vince is interesting, as you get to see the arrest of the suspect: https://nos.nl/artikel/2228716-busje-rijdt-in-op-voetgangers-toronto-negen-doden.html Spot-on policework. Officer had all rights to shoot the guy, but he kept his cool and subdued him. Very good job.
  6. Well, we both know that every situation is different. My comments are merely meant for this situation, and since you seem to agree that this is unjustified, we're on the same page. I was going against those that think this is justified, out of total blindness for the police. There's a lot of police haters out there. They are blind, but turning blind pro-police should be avoided as well. I'm pro-police but am trying my best not to turn blind, which means that I am capable of criticising bad police work.
  7. Ha, I know exactly what you mean. Same here Is that like a bachelors degree that you're referring to? Out here, it really depends on what rank you're going for. 1. Our lowest rank (surveillant) will make you do a lot of jailshifts (booking prisoners, giving them food, looking after them) and a lot of working at reception. Also a lot of traffic control. That'll be a total of 2.5 years. 2. Then we have the rank of officer, mainly 112 calls, but not really highly ranked, so I suppose they get the shittiest jobs. 3 years of academy 3. Then we have the rank of officer first class, working 112 calls all the way. I guess this is very similar to the usual US cop. 3.5 years of academy 4. Last ones are the "brigadier" (is that a word in english?). They are also working 112 calls, but are trained to also look at the bigger picture. So if in 1 week at the same intersection 11 collisions happen, he'll be getting in contact with the city and try to make the intersection safer, where 1,2,3 will only be giving help, towing cars and creating a safe space at the scene. This one is 4 years Now within all these years are a lot of practical parts. Like first you get 6 months academy, then 3 month on the street with an FTO, then another 6 months at the academy, 6 months street etc.
  8. Last time I checked, Mozambique was not in Europe, but somewhere in Africa I won't say anything about judgement, but training? Like, how can you train to shoot or train to fight in that little time? 6/12/20 weeks could get you far, but considering a big chunk of academy is case law and all other kinds of theoretic stuff, I don't think the academy is capable of actually teaching you in terms of fighting something that will stick. Which is why police officers jump so quick to a high level in the force spectrum.
  9. It strikes me how some people in here think shooting an unarmed man is a fine thing to do. This situation would be good for pepperspray or taser. Even baton or with your own fists. You took the wrong job if you will do anything to make sure you're not getting hurt. Being a police officer, you're gonna have to fight. Fighting hurts. That's how it is, and if you're willing to get hurt from a fight, don't become a police officer. Of course, don't go recklessly fighting, get proper fighting training. I very much doubt US police really trains in that. I mean, when your academy is running for 6 or 12 or 15 or idk how many weeks, you just don't get a lot of training. Your FTO's probably not gonna train you either, because there's no practice target whatsoever. Compared to being at least 3-4 years in academy here... they'll teach you how to fight here. By the way, the force spectrum is applied at a way that you attempt the steps before you move on to the next level. So first pepperspray. Doesn't work? Taser. Doesn't work? If colleague arrived, hands. If not, draw firearm, warning shots, then aim for legs. Yes, you can still hit the legs if you have got the proper training to do so, even when you're under adrenaline. The training is exactly what worries me though...
  10. Do city police/sheriffs not respond when a trooper needs assistence if they're way closer? Or can they only call other troopers for backup? If so, doesn't sound like a very efficient system...
  11. The point that I am trying to make is that both EU and American are aware that a situation can turn bad very easily, but that I think that US cops are actively thinking that something can turn bad and that reflects in their decisions, like cuffing a person while searching his vehicle. In EU I'd say the cops are trained to react instantly when a situation turns really bad, and in the back of their head they all know it. But they are not constantly actively thinking about it which also reflect in their decisions. But I guess this difference has gotta be there, because it is way more dangerous in the US. And I don't think EU's should judge US too easily as the US shouldn't judge EU too easily. I mean, when I read comments from US people about EU police officer safety I sometimes think 'dude, you have no clue why we'd it this way' and I suppose that's vice versa, so I'll leave it at this.
  12. Never heard of that but after a quick read on wikipedia, I'd say that that's a similar case.
  13. I was shocked when I saw it on the news. He made some really good music. 28 is very young and completely by suprise to me :/
  14. Nono, that's not what I am saying. I am saying that EU cops are aware that a situation could turn bad in a second, but they are less focused on that happening. You can see that in many things, like traffic stops for example. Most dangerous part of the job say many US cops. In EU that's not a thing at all. So that'll make a traffic stop on a normal nice mother, a very different thing. Where US cops will (sometimes) make people put their hands on their steering wheel, in EU (or at least my country) they'll be casually chatting, doing their thing. And like I said, they're trained to respond in a split-second to a very dangerous situation.
  15. But then the US police has a great danger of getting a tunnel vision. When you go into a situation with the mindset that it will or could very possibly turn lethal, you're gonna be shooting a lot quicker than when you go into a situation only taking into account that it can turn lethal. This could possibly make a hugely different outcome for the same situation but with the different approaches that US and EU police handle.
  16. Lol that's funny and sad. Currently driving a lot of your vehicles and I love them. Sad to see that creation of new cars has ended :/
  17. This was not very de-escalating, lol. In terms of policing this was really bad, but it's true though, you can one-size-fits-all the crap out of your entire community, but community policing will never reach this family or this neighbourhood at all I'm afraid. Such kids need a beating and who else than the guy who grew up in that same neighbourhood could better judge what such kids need? So I don't think it's such a bad thing to do, but in the traditional sense of policing this is of course unacceptable.
  18. I can agree to that. I'm not really aware of the situation as it had went down in California, but would these differences be the result of a completely different kind of policing? I mean, you are presenting 2 different cases here, but how come they are different for US and EU? Why does EU get to plan ahead and US doesn't? Maybe because at least in my country there's always 2 in a car? Less danger of the suspect having a gun? That I find a negative side of the gun laws in the US. I am pro-gun, but it makes the police job so incredibly harder.
  19. Hah, nice picture. Looks like a massive exhaust coming out its roof :D Netherlands has no town police. We only have national police and all of them pretty much drive the same cars. Volkswagen Touran, most common police vehicle: Volkswagen Transporter 6 (Same function as a touran, preferred in terms of prison transport, but they patrol the streets with these) and our traffic police (mostly highways) drive Volvo V70. The Volvo's are actually going to be replaced by what you can see in my PF: Audi A6. Really fast and great looking cars :D
  20. Alright so this time it had nothing to do with Islam and those implying it were wrongly doing so. Them implying that isn't wrong though when indeed it's statistically factual. Nevertheless shouldn't we judge so easily. First get some facts about it before you judge.
  21. Then how is it possible that in my country this would not happen but the outcome would be the same? I do not recall a single situation where that many rounds are fired and that many are missed.
  22. Why though? Why do American police officers die more than police officers of other countries? About the shooting part: Sure, not every shot means death, but shooting 20 rounds and only hitting 8 (60% missed!!) sounds more like reckless shooting somewhere in the direction of the suspect instead of being aware of what you're actually doing. I know I know, of course you can't expect someone who is under maximum stress to hit every shot, but having a hit chance of only 40% isn't pretty either.
  23. I don't think this is micromanaged though. It's micromanagement when every possible scenario is written out with instructions on how to use their weapons. Not any officer will not fire his gun in order to save someones or his life. Saving someone's life sounds like 'necessary force' to me. Personally I think police in the US in general are quite quick to pull the trigger in comparison to other civilized western countries in the world. I also think that emptying the entire magazine is little bit overkilling. So tweaking the rules here and there a little bit isn't bad at all. This bill will not change anything to the situations in which it's 100% clear the officer had to shoot. It's focusing on the grey area between a clear lethal-situation and a clear non-lethal situation.
  24. I went to the US recently and I was highly suprised by how the traffic lights function. Especially when you are a pedestrian and walking around (not in a city). You have to wait ages before it's your turn. Furthermore I noticed on quite a big road, 2 lanes, with traffic lights to a side road, that at a certain point there were cars waiting from that side road to get on the main road. Then for a long time there were no cars coming from the other directions, but their lights kept green. After like 20 seconds there came cars and right before those cars their light turned red, so they had to stop (Apologies if my example isn't so clear ). It was so ineffecient. Here the traffic lights are very carefully set up and evaluated after a while. At some places there are even sensors that'll recognize when it rains, so that cyclists get an early green light.
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