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Solidefiance

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    Solidefiance got a reaction from navdata in Fatal Police Shooting Sparks Unrest   
    I'm not entirely sure what the United State laws are in their entirety, nor what each State law is vs. another (I'm Canadian), but isn't that sort of "protest" illegal? Isn't that obstruction or impeding traffic of some sort? They're literally stopping people who have actual Jobs from getting to them, all those Transport Trucks incapable of meeting their time quota and unable to drop off their goods at the given time. It may be "peaceful" by no violence (yet), but it's far from making a point or clear cut message, all it's doing is angering motorists, I know I'd be furious and could care less about an ignorant protest if it was keeping me from my job to put food on my family's table. 
    A couple years back, here in Canada we had the Native Americans protesting their "rights" I believe they were angry that the government were treating them the same as every other Canadian citizen and they thought they were some sort of special human being. They wanted to be exempted from having to pay any sort of Tax, so on and so fourth. They ended up blocking numerous highways, as well as Train tracks keeping passenger and cargo trains from going to their destination. The entire situation was rectified by a hefty fine and a few days in jail, the bigger the role of a given protester the bigger the fine and jail sentence. (a lot of the "chiefs" who led individual protest groups were handed months of jail time and fines). 
    What I don't get is a lot of the protests are far from peaceful, especially the Ferguson protests as an example. Protesters lighting cars and local businesses on fire, lighting houses and whatever else they can get their ignorant hate filled hands on fire. Why would you damage your own neighborhood? Damage businesses not even related to anything? Why would you put a family out on the street by burning their house down to further your agenda? It's sad, pathetic and ignorant in its most pure form. 
    I'm by no means racist, I'm all for equality - but if the black community thinks lighting their own neighborhood on fire, thinks blocking people from getting to their job is going to further their "rights" or agenda, they couldn't be any farther from the truth. I for one, don't have any sympathy for anyone protesting here whatsoever, nor anyone in the Ferguson protests, you lose all credibility when you burn your own neighborhood down and put people out on the street and keep those from just trying to make a living. Is this what is going to happen every time someone that happens to be black gets killed now? Burn a few things down, block traffic? Maybe they should change their chant from "Black Lives Matter" to No One Else Matters But Black Lives.
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    This x1000. As a Canadian the ability for us to obtain a weapon legally is more complex, thus that is why I own two big German Shepherds that on command will tear anyone apart that enters my home with ill intentions. If someone enters my home, with intentions beyond wanting to borrow a cup of milk....I won't hesitate to gut them where they stand. I have two kids and a wife to protect and I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger either. 
     
    People seem to be overly pussified now, trying to rationalize and sympathize for someone that tries to hurt you or your family "but think of the criminal and the underlying 'negative' effects it may have". Or my favourite "That's what the judicial system is for" Is it? So when the criminal kills you and your entire family is that the resounding answer to that? Just let the judicial system work it out? This is probably the same type of people that would sit and watch as the rapist rapes their wife in front of them, too. 
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from Anthony203 in ELS Lights   
    May be something to do with the fact that Scripthook (AFAIK) doesn't currently work with the latest GTA V update. Unless I am missing something, the scripthook website claims to be only working for the previous GTA V version. 
     
    Unless, of course, you're referring to the scripthook that has been floating around that isn't the official scripthook by Alexander Blade. If that is the scripthook you're using, that specific one has been reported to have numerous issues. 
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from Reddington in Need Help With ELS   
    Ah. I might of misread the OP. I thought he said ELS worked, but only certain parts of it. This is true though, ELS, much like in GTAIV in its infancy had a lot of issues to be ironed out. Though it's a lot more polished and well rounded in GTAV, but every mod has its hiccups, even the best of them. 
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    Solidefiance reacted to Reddington in Need Help With ELS   
    I've never had the blacked out lightbar, but I have had instances where my ELS lights simply will not turn on, yet ELS itself works.  At least for us, there's no way to really say "this is for sure the problem."  ELS overall needs to be ironed out big time.
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from Elementteddy in ELS Problem   
    Yeah, that isn't an ELS vehicle, so that is probably your biggest concern right now. Any vehicle that does not explicitly state that it's an ELS vehicle somewhere or doesn't have ELS in the title more than likely isn't an ELS vehicle. 
     
    Also, graphic mods aside, make sure to have your post fx quality at high or above, same with shader quality. Both of these have a considerable effect on overall lighting quality. 
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from DivineHustle in Carrie Fisher/Princess Leia Dead.   
    Sad news reported that Carrie Fisher, iconic Star Wars character Princess Leia dies at the age of 60 due to a Heart attack on Friday, December 23rd. She was on a flight from London to Los Angeles when she went into Cardiac arrest. Paramedics removed her from the flight and treated her at the Hospital where she was later pronounced dead later that morning. 
     
    Not sure how many people here are Star Wars fans, but this is sad news nevertheless. The year of 2016 has been a rather troublesome year for celebrity deaths, hopefully 2017 turns out to be the opposite of the tragedies that have occurred. 
     
    For those interested in the new Star Wars film, reports say that Carrie Fisher managed to do the remainder of the film, meaning there should be no issue with the new Star Wars coming out in 2017. 
     
    Rest in peace Carrie Fisher and may the force be with you. 
     
    Link to the article reporting her death: http://people.com/movies/carrie-fisher-dies/
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from thegreathah in Carrie Fisher/Princess Leia Dead.   
    Sad news reported that Carrie Fisher, iconic Star Wars character Princess Leia dies at the age of 60 due to a Heart attack on Friday, December 23rd. She was on a flight from London to Los Angeles when she went into Cardiac arrest. Paramedics removed her from the flight and treated her at the Hospital where she was later pronounced dead later that morning. 
     
    Not sure how many people here are Star Wars fans, but this is sad news nevertheless. The year of 2016 has been a rather troublesome year for celebrity deaths, hopefully 2017 turns out to be the opposite of the tragedies that have occurred. 
     
    For those interested in the new Star Wars film, reports say that Carrie Fisher managed to do the remainder of the film, meaning there should be no issue with the new Star Wars coming out in 2017. 
     
    Rest in peace Carrie Fisher and may the force be with you. 
     
    Link to the article reporting her death: http://people.com/movies/carrie-fisher-dies/
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from DivineHustle in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    No, unfortunately not. Riots are now pretty common, cities are having to rebuild their infrastructure and thousands upon thousands of dollars are spent on a rebuilding process that never should of happened from the get go. Welcome to the new age, goodluck raising your children in this mess. 
    I think everyone would probably live a more comfortable life if they just accepted that racism is a thing and that it won't really ever die. It's been a thing since the beginning of Human existence, it stems from that web of bs exclaiming you're better than someone else. It's like Religion in that sense too, people are asinine if they think everyone will be able to live peacefully without the mentality of "my religion is better than yours" like a kid who claims their shiny new toy is better and rubs it in your face. 
    There are a lot of things in life that will never have a peaceful resolution throughout, racism, religion, to name a couple, hell even bullying. Why? Because we're human and humans, well, they're assholes. It unfortunately is escalating because now we have a key component fueling the fire, the Media/Internet.....and people always believe the stuff the News shovels onto their plate.  
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from DivineHustle in [Official] Gun control   
    Your argument, while I agree to a certain extent holds the value that can be used against you. Guns, really any weapon of choice, can be seen as tools to hunt too. Archery used to be and still is in many cases a sport, something to do for fun and test your strength. The same can generally be said for guns too. You're going along the idea that guns are just used solely to kill people, they are not. At one point in time guns in Canada surpassed those in America per capita because we in the North love to hunt and very few, were used to kill another human. The analogy you go by, cars, guns, blades, etc, can all be classed as evolving as the human race. Equally, cars, guns, blades, etc all kill people too....and while one or the other effectively kills people more than another, it doesn't mean that it was solely made for killing. Another example of this is that a study was made back in 2015 for the top 10 vehicles that were involved in the deaths of many. Four door, small and lightweight vehicles like the Kia Rio, Nissan Versa, Hyundai Accent were the top 3 that had the most fatalities attached to them. That said, does that mean we should ban/restrict four door lightweight vehicles because they're killing people more than heavier, more stable cars and trucks, just because they're statistically killing more people than any other vehicle of choice? In short, no. 
    However, I don't disagree in that there needs to be something done. But on the other hand, if history has taught me anything is that humans love to kill one another, back in the Roman times it was swords and shields, all the way up to the Medieval period. Then came Muskets and cannons, now it's pistols and rifles. The necessity to kill one another has never changed, it's just the way we do it that has since evolved over time. In my opinion, I highly doubt this will ever change. Even if we manage to completely remove firearms off the face of the planet, people will start holding people by the neck with steak knives and whatever sharp object they can get their hands on. 
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from DivineHustle in [Official] Gun control   
    The problem is just that though. "Trying" to impose restrictive laws on guns isn't something you just "try" it isn't something you give a whirl and say "hey, screw it, if it works great, if it doesn't, oh god" because the last thing needed is thousands upon thousands, upon thousands of people who own guns feeling like their backs are against a wall. People from other countries that are expressing the need for harsher laws don't have the problem of already existing weapons. They also don't have the problem with the fact that America is made up of 320 million people, either. People from France, Australia, etc, they don't even touch a fraction of America's population. Hell, the amount of people in America per capita that have guns is much bigger than the population of Australia or France and both combined. It's a delicate scenario all around, and it requires delicate tinkering in order to get it right otherwise trying to impose something when America has such a huge investment in guns could get much bloodier than the already existent problem.
    I keep seeing people from Australia saying "we haven't had a mass shooting since 1996!" Well, great, for you -- but the population of the state of California is almost double to that of Australia. People from other countries just don't get it as a whole, and that is something coming from someone who agrees that something needs to be done, but at a delicate level and not something just to temporarily bandage an open wound, which at the end of the day could open a much, much bigger sore. I also believe there is other problems other than just guns that make up violence, but that is a whole different topic and story altogether. 
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from Beren in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    No, unfortunately not. Riots are now pretty common, cities are having to rebuild their infrastructure and thousands upon thousands of dollars are spent on a rebuilding process that never should of happened from the get go. Welcome to the new age, goodluck raising your children in this mess. 
    I think everyone would probably live a more comfortable life if they just accepted that racism is a thing and that it won't really ever die. It's been a thing since the beginning of Human existence, it stems from that web of bs exclaiming you're better than someone else. It's like Religion in that sense too, people are asinine if they think everyone will be able to live peacefully without the mentality of "my religion is better than yours" like a kid who claims their shiny new toy is better and rubs it in your face. 
    There are a lot of things in life that will never have a peaceful resolution throughout, racism, religion, to name a couple, hell even bullying. Why? Because we're human and humans, well, they're assholes. It unfortunately is escalating because now we have a key component fueling the fire, the Media/Internet.....and people always believe the stuff the News shovels onto their plate.  
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    Solidefiance reacted to Reddington in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    Once something catches on ("Lives matter"), people are going to run with it.  BLM, BLM, WLM (oh you know the neo nazis on the white supremacy forum are going nuts), etc etc.  The funny thing is, how about ALL LIVES matter?  Where are the riots promoting this?  BLM acts like all white people are racist and against them.  Uh...hello...I'm here waving a peace flag and I'm white. 
    I get it, I get it, it's mainly white cops doing wrong to black people, but you get my point.  BLM started off being about BLM, but now they have turned into a hate group.
    I honestly would've hoped that as time passed, this whole race bullshit would've died off and we'd all live without seeing color or race, just fellow human beings.  Instead, we're going downhill faster than an 18 wheeler with no brakes. I just don't get how we got to this point.
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from DivineHustle in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    I'll just leave this here:
     
    What I don't get is where people seem to think that every Officer that has shot a black man woke up one day and decided to say "Hm, today I shall kill THIS guy in particular" or in general black people seem to have this idea that every Cop has a personal goal to kill people with darker skin than them. Although what is interesting is that when a black Police officer kills another black man, the outcry remains the same and it's still "racist" in their own delusional world. Not a single moment did any of them consider that gee, the man that was shot was a real piece of work that more or less got what was coming to him. 
    Another thing is that all these BLM people seem to have a very hypocritical stance on their very own propaganda. "Not every black man/woman are the same, one person cannot defy an entire race" That is great and all, but then the very same people turn around and pin EVERY cop to be a racist pig that has a personal vendetta to wipe a race from the Earth. This asinine thought process is highlighted in the above video, completely disgusting.
    So let's sum up the BLM movement: Every cop is a racist pig, be it White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, whatever. Every cop is "the same" as the next. Every "white" man is equally bad, this means Joe Blow from Idaho just walking his dog deserves a beating of a life time (again, highlighted in a video posted prior in this thread). Every black man shot means every black person deserves to burn their city to the ground, riots are now considered "get together's" by these people. But WAIT!! Do you hear that? That is the sound of someone saying "But, there is peaceful protests and the actions of those rioting doesn't define BLM as a whole" That's all swell, but uh.....it's funny how the BLM movement NEVER condemns these people, the very same people that BLM are apparently trying to protect against all these white people (be it cop or not) killing them or "oppressing" them.   
    That's another thing, oppression. That's a funny word, isn't it? It's not funny in the funny "Ha Ha" way but in a way that highlights a very peculiar set of events that transpired the word to be commonly used the way it is nowadays. It's funny because all of these people screaming "Racism! Racism by the white man!" But interestingly enough, don't ever highlight the fact that their own people back in the day sold them as slaves to the white man. Oh well, it's just easier to sweep facts under the already preexisting dirty rug in favor of burning down your local Mom 'n' Pop shop anyways. I mean, facts have left the building long, long, long ago anyways. 
    Lastly, to whoever said "there's no outcry when a white man kills a cop" You're intolerably ignorant. If you honestly believe that people in general (prior to the BLM agenda rising), didn't look down upon those killing cops, then you're selectively remembering things you want to remember. The only difference between now and then that sparks #bluelivesmatter is that the amount of cops' being killed now vs. then is that cop killings are happening much more frequently, on a much, much greater scale too. We didn't have someone picking off cops from football fields away with a sniper rifle like it's a duck-hunt years and years ago, things we never, ever thought would happen then, are happening now. 
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from Original Light in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    Blue Lives Matter is an actual group? What the hell. Although in their SLIGHT bit of defense, any company be it large or small should more than likely steer clear of affiliating themselves with anything this controversial. Ben and Jerry's just painted a big red target on their employee's backs with this one, especially for employee's that don't support BLM or anyone for that matter. 
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from Lee10 in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    I'll just leave this here:
     
    What I don't get is where people seem to think that every Officer that has shot a black man woke up one day and decided to say "Hm, today I shall kill THIS guy in particular" or in general black people seem to have this idea that every Cop has a personal goal to kill people with darker skin than them. Although what is interesting is that when a black Police officer kills another black man, the outcry remains the same and it's still "racist" in their own delusional world. Not a single moment did any of them consider that gee, the man that was shot was a real piece of work that more or less got what was coming to him. 
    Another thing is that all these BLM people seem to have a very hypocritical stance on their very own propaganda. "Not every black man/woman are the same, one person cannot defy an entire race" That is great and all, but then the very same people turn around and pin EVERY cop to be a racist pig that has a personal vendetta to wipe a race from the Earth. This asinine thought process is highlighted in the above video, completely disgusting.
    So let's sum up the BLM movement: Every cop is a racist pig, be it White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, whatever. Every cop is "the same" as the next. Every "white" man is equally bad, this means Joe Blow from Idaho just walking his dog deserves a beating of a life time (again, highlighted in a video posted prior in this thread). Every black man shot means every black person deserves to burn their city to the ground, riots are now considered "get together's" by these people. But WAIT!! Do you hear that? That is the sound of someone saying "But, there is peaceful protests and the actions of those rioting doesn't define BLM as a whole" That's all swell, but uh.....it's funny how the BLM movement NEVER condemns these people, the very same people that BLM are apparently trying to protect against all these white people (be it cop or not) killing them or "oppressing" them.   
    That's another thing, oppression. That's a funny word, isn't it? It's not funny in the funny "Ha Ha" way but in a way that highlights a very peculiar set of events that transpired the word to be commonly used the way it is nowadays. It's funny because all of these people screaming "Racism! Racism by the white man!" But interestingly enough, don't ever highlight the fact that their own people back in the day sold them as slaves to the white man. Oh well, it's just easier to sweep facts under the already preexisting dirty rug in favor of burning down your local Mom 'n' Pop shop anyways. I mean, facts have left the building long, long, long ago anyways. 
    Lastly, to whoever said "there's no outcry when a white man kills a cop" You're intolerably ignorant. If you honestly believe that people in general (prior to the BLM agenda rising), didn't look down upon those killing cops, then you're selectively remembering things you want to remember. The only difference between now and then that sparks #bluelivesmatter is that the amount of cops' being killed now vs. then is that cop killings are happening much more frequently, on a much, much greater scale too. We didn't have someone picking off cops from football fields away with a sniper rifle like it's a duck-hunt years and years ago, things we never, ever thought would happen then, are happening now. 
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    Solidefiance got a reaction from Deactivated Member in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    I'll just leave this here:
     
    What I don't get is where people seem to think that every Officer that has shot a black man woke up one day and decided to say "Hm, today I shall kill THIS guy in particular" or in general black people seem to have this idea that every Cop has a personal goal to kill people with darker skin than them. Although what is interesting is that when a black Police officer kills another black man, the outcry remains the same and it's still "racist" in their own delusional world. Not a single moment did any of them consider that gee, the man that was shot was a real piece of work that more or less got what was coming to him. 
    Another thing is that all these BLM people seem to have a very hypocritical stance on their very own propaganda. "Not every black man/woman are the same, one person cannot defy an entire race" That is great and all, but then the very same people turn around and pin EVERY cop to be a racist pig that has a personal vendetta to wipe a race from the Earth. This asinine thought process is highlighted in the above video, completely disgusting.
    So let's sum up the BLM movement: Every cop is a racist pig, be it White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, whatever. Every cop is "the same" as the next. Every "white" man is equally bad, this means Joe Blow from Idaho just walking his dog deserves a beating of a life time (again, highlighted in a video posted prior in this thread). Every black man shot means every black person deserves to burn their city to the ground, riots are now considered "get together's" by these people. But WAIT!! Do you hear that? That is the sound of someone saying "But, there is peaceful protests and the actions of those rioting doesn't define BLM as a whole" That's all swell, but uh.....it's funny how the BLM movement NEVER condemns these people, the very same people that BLM are apparently trying to protect against all these white people (be it cop or not) killing them or "oppressing" them.   
    That's another thing, oppression. That's a funny word, isn't it? It's not funny in the funny "Ha Ha" way but in a way that highlights a very peculiar set of events that transpired the word to be commonly used the way it is nowadays. It's funny because all of these people screaming "Racism! Racism by the white man!" But interestingly enough, don't ever highlight the fact that their own people back in the day sold them as slaves to the white man. Oh well, it's just easier to sweep facts under the already preexisting dirty rug in favor of burning down your local Mom 'n' Pop shop anyways. I mean, facts have left the building long, long, long ago anyways. 
    Lastly, to whoever said "there's no outcry when a white man kills a cop" You're intolerably ignorant. If you honestly believe that people in general (prior to the BLM agenda rising), didn't look down upon those killing cops, then you're selectively remembering things you want to remember. The only difference between now and then that sparks #bluelivesmatter is that the amount of cops' being killed now vs. then is that cop killings are happening much more frequently, on a much, much greater scale too. We didn't have someone picking off cops from football fields away with a sniper rifle like it's a duck-hunt years and years ago, things we never, ever thought would happen then, are happening now. 
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    Solidefiance reacted to Deactivated Member in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
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    Solidefiance reacted to Beren in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    I can't speak for most folks, but to me, it's not the message that I have issues with, but rather the actions of the people who use BLM as a slogan. Like many groups/ideologies that started out from seemingly noble ideas, I feel like BLM has been hijacked by what seems like radical and even racists. From a video of a BLM rally where whites were ordered to go to the back, to a gay pride parade that was stopped unless they made BLM issues the main focus, or a memorial for the Orlando victims interrupted simply because cops where the ones organizing it. The people who have taken up the BLM flag have continuously proven that they cannot be reasoned with, and with them chanting death to cops, it's not hard to see why other people see them in such a negative light.
    I have to disagree, if society did in fact treat blacks as if they didn't matter then we never would have black police chiefs, black attorney generals, black musicians, black movie stars, black supreme court judges, and even a black president. I don't think it's so much a matter of race or skin color, but rather an individual's own upbringing and will to achieve in life.
    Regarding the "SCORES" of unarmed blacks, just in 2016 alone, according to The Counted, only 26 "unarmed" blacks have been EDIT: shot dead (not just killed) by police. However, the "unarmed" bit is usually given in a literal sense. Some of these cases involved suspects where unarmed but went to reach for a weapon when shot, so the real number of true unarmed killings might be lower. Someone will have to dig deeper for that number. But let's say it's really just 26, BLM seems to always say how unarmed killings by police officers are so prevalent. But 26 killings in just one year out of the thousands of police interactions everyday? It doesn't really scream "epidemic" to me.
    Didn't the police chief say in a press conference that the police videos were inconclusive to whether or not a gun can be seen? Releasing something like that can only serve to fan the flames. And they were right. Even with the release of the dash and body cam footage, there is still a huge debate on whether or not he was armed.
    I can't really say much on the 6 hour standoff, I'll have to make some time to research more about it. But if the point of that statement is to say that police take other races into custody more than blacks, then I suggest looking up which ethnicity makes up the majority of our prison system.
    The problem with that is whenever there's a protest involving police shootings blacks, most of them have turned up into violent riots.
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    Solidefiance reacted to Deactivated Member in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
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    Solidefiance reacted to Beren in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    Those people do sound crazy, but how often do we hear of gun rights groups actually killing cops in the name of their ideologies? BLM can say what they want, but the moment when people start acting upon those violent rhetoric, that's when it becomes an issue. I've also yet to see a gun rights activist go up into my face pushing their agenda, whereas BLM activists have been... more than vocal, to say the least. And I blame the media for downplaying issues and selectively reporting based on which will net them the most views. And race issues definitely garners views.
    If we were both in the 60s, I can wholeheartedly agree with you. There certainly was oppression in one form or another, the police were brutal, and there were laws actively discriminating against blacks. I don't think anyone can deny that. But, as nic227 pointed out, that's more than 40-50 years ago, progress has been made since then. What law, that we have now, specifically discriminates against blacks and other minorities? I'd like to know, because I'll stand by you to fight against it, but at this point I can't think of any. And protesting is completely fine, they have a right to do so, I only take issue when it turns into a riot and stores are looted and burned. At that point, nobody wins regardless of the point being made. Also, believe it or not, but segregation is back. But it's not mandated by the government - it's self-imposed by black students in universities, and I can't, for the life of me, understand why...
    And what kind of reform does BLM want, exactly? The disbandment of the police force? Because that was brought up
    I don't mind the read, I want to be able to gather every info on a topic. I'll be looking into the sources of those articles though, as some of those sites I've found to be misleading before.
    The thing with stereotypes, as much as I try to avoid using it to justify anything, is that there are some truth to them. Something had to have happened in order for it to be so pervasive in society. Blacks, while only making up around 13% of the entire US population, are responsible for around 50% of murders, 60% of robberies, and make up 40% of cop killers.
    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime/19439
    https://infogr.am/Black-34991937313
    But again, I don't believe it has anything to do with race. Blacks are also disproportionately impoverished while having one of the largest single-mother rates of any demographic. And it's this level of poverty and plight that causes such high crime rate. I believe that this is the root of the problem.
    Yes, I agree that Scott's death does seem highly suspicious. There are a lot of questions I keep asking regarding the entire ordeal, to both sides. Like, why did Scott not have his arms up as he backed up? Why was he doing it so quickly? What was that black object on his leg? And what made the cops deem it necessary to really shoot the guy? There has to be more to this. I'm only leaning towards the cops side for now on this simply because after the shooting, the cops were asking for the wife to come over, to which she refused. If the cops really were trying to cover up the gun, why would they be willing to have her over? As she was filming? Like I said, a lot of questions that I've been trying to find answers to. But if the cops were in the wrong, then they do deserve whatever punishment that's handed to them. Doesn't matter if the man had a lengthy record on his name.
    As in the case of Tulsa, I'm more inclined to believe that the man was under the influence of something to have him behave the way he did. I'm not saying the shooting was entirely justified, but he was strangely going towards his car for whatever reason and the fact that witness say he ran out of the car saying it was going to blow. If it really was just a simple case of the car breaking down, why would he think it was going to explode? We'll have to wait for toxicology reports I guess.
    And what makes you assume that it has to be the cops who provoke them first? It could easily have been any of the protesters, or even some maniac who just wants to see the world burn, who attacked first.
    But I'm finding it difficult to properly compare the two since the man in SF was attempting suicide and even called the police about it. There's a whole different mindset when it comes to handling the situation and the police were aware of the type of situation and were able to take the time to plan things through in SF, whereas Scott was a complete unknown to the officers who came up to him and things happened fast.
    Perhaps, but the vast majority of civil unrest in the US in 2013-16 that did occur stem from protests against police shootings.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States#2010s
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    Solidefiance reacted to Beren in Charlotte Riots and Black Lives Matter   
    The thing that confuses me about the FBI statistics on that is they sometimes include Hispanics into the white category, so the overall number of whites could be lower than that.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/
    Racism and racial biases, still exist, yes, I agree. But systemic racism? When I mentioned laws, I was referring to laws that could possibly prevent blacks and minorities from succeeding in life. They're not excluded from receiving a better education, from applying for jobs, or even landing in high positions within government. The war on drugs, while devastating for sure, is targeting people who are already committing crimes in the first place. Whether or not drugs should be legal, is another debate, but right now, a lot of them aren't.
    Also CNN... isn't exactly the most reliable of sources. Especially after this:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/cnn-edits-out-milwaukee-victims-sister-sherelle-sm/
    I'm assuming that you meant to say, "Today, our laws aren't explicitly racist," and you're right. And regardless of how small they are, they are still crimes.
    And I did, most of it boiled down to, "you owe us, give me money."
    https://policy.m4bl.org/reparations/
    Also, "direct community control" over all law enforcement agencies? Really? I don't think they realize what a dangerous precedent that could be.
    Looking back at it, yes, they should have an actual link to that FBI statistics page, but the point of that was to explain why the police and the public view blacks in that stereotype of being thugs. Not that the stereotype itself is a good thing, mind you, but maybe because of this, the police act the way they do around poorer black communities.
    At this point, we can't say for sure either way.
    On the contrary, erratic behavior is unpredictable, and unpredictability can be a life or death situation for an officer. They reported to have found a vial for PCP in the car. I've seen videos of people under PCP, they can literally go berserk. But of course, we still need the autopsy and toxicology reports to know for sure. And I think that example would be better if it wasn't some well known actor. Another type of bias would be in play, or that his star power would sway the officer's actions. Of course cops wouldn't be so quick to kill him. It would have been the same if the person was Shaq. All we know is that he was acting strange, and refused to obey orders to stop, and he had a vial for PCP in the car. I think the real question should be - could the officers really tell if the windows were rolled down or not? That's why he was shot, right? Because they thought the windows were down and he was reaching? Of course, we found out that it wasn't, but that's later. How did those cops see it at that moment? I really wish one of them had a body cam. And I can understand why the officer was initially scared of him first. He was bigger than her. And men are just naturally stronger than women. But that's before backup came. I agree that she shouldn't have had reason to be scared of him after that.
    And I don't think you're accusing cops of being evil. We all want this violence to end. I agree that there is embedded racism on a personal level, but I can't agree that it's systemic in that the system itself actively discriminates.
    The pilot said that he looked like a "bad dude" because he seemingly wasn't obeying orders to stop. You have to put yourself in his shoes - you see a suspect, walking back towards his car, refusing to listen to the cops. Usually, that means one of two things: a. he's going to jump in and flee, b. he's going to reach for something. How would you describe him? I'd say that he looks like a bad guy too, wouldn't you? Regardless of skin color.
    And the token black guy doesn't always die first, if at all:
    http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2013/10/black-characters-horror-movies/verdict
    Yes, but around 20 officers were injured from rocks and other objects during the riots in St. Paul, Minn. They weren't wearing full protective riot gear. With amount of riots that's been happening in the US, I'd prefer to wear some protective gear too if I was a riot police.
    We can both agree on that. This violence has to end. This racial divide is also something we need to tear down. I don't consider a person black, asian, or hispanic, I consider them as fellow human beings. I also agree body cameras should be mandatory (hopefully with better quality... the videos we get look like there taken from a potato) and better training. The problem I have with military members saying all that is most of their engagements happen over long distances and they go in there knowing that they will be engaged. When it comes to cops, shootings can happen just a few feet away, sometimes point-blank. A lot of cops have died from criminals quickly shooting them before they could even say hello. So, I don't know. Also, aren't some cops veterans as well? I don't hear them saying the same thing. Of course, they're the ones who actually know how it feels to be on patrol. But change also needs to come from the people as well. The healing process is a two-way street. Cops need to connect more with community, while the community needs to learn to not engage in crime.
    Doesn't surprise me either. And it's not just BLM protests, there are a ton of individual cases where they simply blast their own racisms and violent rhetoric. I mean, there are videos of them everywhere to the point that they've become the butt of the joke for the internet.
    BLM UK seems to think that even air pollution is racist, nevermind that we all breathe the same air...
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    Just explain this to me and tell me how this is a legitimate group

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    You're definitely stuck in the 60s here's the problem they are in generational poverty some of them try to fix it some don't but it's not always the cops fault 

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