THEONEANDONLYSAUL

First off, I wouldn't consider the possibility of our own government killing its own citizens "a pointless debate" because it concerns the safety and security of the American people. This isnt new, Governments killing their own people has happened many times throughout history, why is the US an exception. You want a more current event, how about the fact that Russia might start WWIII anytime soon. I don't want to disrespect the Brave firefighters, police officers, and paramedics that did their job on 9/11. I just want people to find the real culprits of this horrible event I'm not saying this is the piece of evidence that will without an doubt show that the government did it. All I did was point out the first and most obvious mistake or "plot hole" if you will, in the official 9/11 report. There is a lot more evidence, that shows that government could be behind it, or at the very least, show that scientifically, things don't add up. However the main conspiracy isn't either, I will admit.

before you leave, I would just like to say that I saw both videos, and the very first and most obvious flaw is that, you cant make a phone call on an airplane. Its not 100% impossible but if you manage to make even one, short phone call on an airplane, consider it a miracle. yet on 9/11, dosens of people where able to make phone calls on multiple planes and some lasted more than 30 min. Doesn't seem right don't you think. But any way, the videos are informative, and did give me some insight on the rebutting side of the issue.

im not saying no body died on September 11th 2001, of course people died, thousands of people died. I'm saying is that it might have been the government that conducted the attacks, rather than a couple of Jihads There is no need for you to apologize. However, when I see these topics, I am forced to relive the memories of that day. They are painful, and they are, unfortunately, a part of my life. With all due respect, it is not the part of participating in a heated discussion that is my particular problem. It is rather that, I must relive the memories of that day every time I see these topics, and I would rather have these conspiracies closed. Instead of discussing what may have been, why continue to go back to looking at the same point in the past? It's like repeating history, still to no avail. As a collective, international community, I believe we should be able to move on from this event and the painful memories it brings, and look toward a brighter future. A future where, when we look back, we can take the time to give the lives of the heroic people the respect they deserve, as well as remember the two shining twins. Thank you. sorry if I brought some painful memories, cant imagine the horror you witnessed

I dont want to offend or disrespect anyone, I just want people to think I appreciate your honesty

Again, im sorry if im offending anyone, but where is your proof. Im not trying to disgrace anyone. There have been controversial topics on LCPDFR before, like a couple weeks ago there was one one Creationism vs evolution, and you know how controversial that is.

ok then, I apologise for my poor choice of words yeah but this time, we can actually support it with scientific evidence

Jet fuel cant melt steel beams well, in the 1930, many jews began to have outlandish claims of the Germans capturing them and sedning them to death camps where they are sent to gas chambers and worked to death. Nobody believed them, but look what happened next once again, jet fuel can not melt steel beams Im sorry if I offended you guys, but I have a hard time believing a bunch of Jihads who barely know how to use and AK-47, where able to learn how to fly a jet liner withing a year, and successfully fly them into US landmarks and government buildings yeah, there is none because unlike 9/11, there was good substantial evidenced that proves that they did it.

Im done with making requests, im done with browsing, I think its time to start making my own vehicle modification for IV. So what software do I need to start making cars, and what are some basic steps in making a car?

ok my bad, my memory isnt good

quick question, do you think you can convert models from this website, http://www.dmi-3d.net/

been there, done that

Problem is, I once tried to make a car pack that took place in 2001. But I ran into some copy right issues, so i was banned from GTA forums after that. The car pack was realesed, but then shut down due to once again copy right issues. Problem is that getting permission from everyone is impossible, since most modders are inactive 90% of the time. I still all have the files for the car pack, and I was even in the process of making a second version, dont expect to see it until I magicly get permission from all modders

me too man, me too what I dont get is why do so many people make nissan skylines. Literally almost everyday on GTA4-Mods.com, there is another model of a nissan skyline. Like what the hell? ironicly, this was the car pack that made my computer stop the crashing and texuture bug. With this one, there was absolutely no problems, with no additional help from command lines. Before intalling GCU car pack, my computer couldn't handle more than 3 modded cars. After I could replace every car with no problems. do you guys think I should make a car pack that is just normal everyday cars? But Mitch, you have several 90s cars you refuse to release to the public, why is dis?

Here in Ohio, I still see a lot of 90s camry or civics. The problem is that the majority of the cars or service, or luxury cars. Dont get me wrong, its a good car pack, but half of it is luxury cars

Why are there no car mods for normal everyday cars. Why aren't there more normal everyday cars from the 70s. 80s, 90s. and 00s. Why is everything just sports and luxury cars i've seen a million times. For example, do you know how many Nissan skylines there are for GTA IV. They are everywhere, its rediculus. I would like to see something like 1998 or 1991 toyota camry, or a 1990 Honda Civic, or a mid 90s crown vic. It would be nice to see more everyday cars for IV, so it add more realism. The only normal cars ive seen are either A. this years new models or B. A car that has a police cruiser counter part, such as the crown vic, caprice, and impala.

at least you provided some good evidence though

Good point, but you have yet to explain the phone calls, world trade center 7, lack of footage of the pentagon, flight 92, and the fact the that jet fuel cant melt steel beams.

That dosent make any sense, that would mean the world trade center couldn't support its own weight, thus, it would have been impossible for the towers to be built in the first place. The lower part of the World Trade center was perfectly fine, the top part would have just fallen off

You don't need the documents, its the fact that its physically impossible for a Boeing 767 to destroy a building like the World Trade Center that exposes them. Im not saying the planes where filled with C4, im saying is that the "Official Story" is complete bullshit and something more sinister is at work. Yes I know the towers did indeed fall, but im sure as hell it wasn't because of the Airplanes

Even if the Terrorists where successful in hijacking the Boeing 767s, a 767 airplane cannot take down the Twin Towers, its just sceintificly impossible, unless of course the whole plane was filled with C4. Just because something explodes, dosent automatically mean it will destroy everything That dosen't mean anything. It could just give people a reason to believe they did it again, dispite the scientific evidence

Ok finally time to state my opinion in this debate. If you disagree, that's fine, but I please...please urge you to back up your claims with evidence if you are gonna counter argue me. First off, there is just so much wrong with the official story, I don't even know where to begin 1. The Phone calls from the 9/11 flights are almost impossible. Tipcally, cell phones stop working after an altitude of 10,000 ft (keep in mind this is for modern new cell phones, let alone phones from 2001) and the cruising altitude of the Boeing 767 is 35,000 ft. The fact that even one phone call got through is a miricale, let alone several, some that went on for 30 min+ 2. I'm sure most of you have heard this already, but the amount of Jet fuel in both Boeing 767 airplanes was not enough to melt the steel beams of the World Trade Center. On top of that, some of the jet fuel was used already (because the plane uses fuel to get from the airport to New York) and 75% of the jet fuel that remained in the airplane was burned off instantly in the explosion when it hit the tower. 3. Even if the steel beams did melt, the collapse of the top floors of the World Trade Center would not cause the rest of the building to crumble with it. Even if it did, it would certainly not fall straight down to the ground like we saw in 9/11 4. World Trade Center 7, a building that was part of the World Trade Center complex, was a building that collapsed on 9/11/2001 around 5:00, despite the building not being hit by an airplane and did not suffer enough structural damage to the point of collapse. 5. Both World Trade Centers were built to survive multiple impacts from airplanes the size of Boeing 777, which are bigger than the Boeing 767 that Hit the World Trade Center 6. There where around 87 cameras working and online at the time the plane hit the pentagon, yet we still have not seen clear footage of a plane hitting the pentagon (key word here "clear") 7. When Flight 93 crashed into Pennsylvania, most of the plane was vaporized and only small fragments, and an impact crater where found, even though there have been similar plane crashes that did not completely vaporize the plane. Not to mention the crash of space shuttle Columbia, which disagreement on re entry from thousands of feet, yet still had larger crash fragments that the ones on Flight 93. 9. Non of the Black boxes of any of the 9/11 airplanes where found, but yet a passport of one of the terrorists that was made of paper, survived both the plane crashing into the World Trade Center and the collapse. I could literally write a paper on the many things wrong with the official 9/11 report. However, there are some things wrong with the conspiracy, I will admit. If you disagree, fine, if that's what you believe, then that is what you believe, but please don't start raging, and please I urge you, if your gonna refute me please back it up with some evidence. I'm not trying to be mean here, for all we know you could be right. I feel sorry for anyone that lost any friends or family in the 9/11 attacks

Thats fine, I understand

blue and black, end of story

was kinda hoping for a more interesting thread.

I don't want to start a fight. More controversial topics have been put on the forum.