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6 minutes ago, medic4523 said:

You're not mad? 😛

I mean... I can't be. You're sharing all this hard work and now taking time to fix up some bugs to make them better. How could I be mad?

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3 hours ago, medic2840 said:

will this be released?

 

 

If it's a picture of a model by Medic, it'll be released.  He releases almost everything he shows off, which is kinda rare for modders nowadays.  (I say "almost" because I'm sure there's been a time or two where something happened and it wasn't released).

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1 hour ago, Ezra said:

 

If it's a picture of a model by Medic, it'll be released.  He releases almost everything he shows off, which is kinda rare for modders nowadays.  (I say "almost" because I'm sure there's been a time or two where something happened and it wasn't released).

I was about to say.. NOT all the time just reading the preview of your comment lol. 

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3 hours ago, Ezra said:

 

If it's a picture of a model by Medic, it'll be released.  He releases almost everything he shows off, which is kinda rare for modders nowadays.  (I say "almost" because I'm sure there's been a time or two where something happened and it wasn't released).

True... but, sadly, my days of sharing models on this website may be coming to an end. It has become disheartening to people like myself who put money and hours into models for the community... only for portions of the community to take these models, rip them, and share private unlocked versions across the web. This website offers no protections against that, or actions against the person, unless said ripped model is then re-uploaded here. To not ban the people that are stealing from some of the community's best model creators is to passively endorse their behaviors. When it's their community to run however they want, and they choose not to remove malicious thieves... I don't know how anyone with morals could be expected to stick around. 

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20 minutes ago, medic4523 said:

True... but, sadly, my days of sharing models on this website may be coming to an end. It has become disheartening to people like myself who put money and hours into models for the community... only for portions of the community to take these models, rip them, and share private unlocked versions across the web. This website offers no protections against that, or actions against the person, unless said ripped model is then re-uploaded here. To not ban the people that are stealing from some of the community's best model creators is to passively endorse their behaviors. When it's their community to run however they want, and they choose not to remove malicious thieves... I don't know how anyone with morals could be expected to stick around. 

 

I truly, truly do not mean for this to sound as douchey as it does, but how is people uploading ripped/stolen models on other websites our/LCPDFRs problem?  What exactly can we do to prevent it, stop letting members upload unlocked models?  Hinder our good community because of the bad ones?  People have been stealing things from content creators for years across various platforms.  It is a problem, but it's not just a GTA problem.

 

I understand the frustration, but vehicle devs need to realize how absurd it is to even consider punishing someone on this website for what they do on other websites.  If we started doing this, literally all of our member would start getting PMs and warnings.  I know how rowdy people get in their Discord servers and in private,  I know how people let loose with their friends and say shit they shouldn't.  Even the idea of punishing people for what they do on other sites and/or in private is outrageous.

 

This is an impossible scenario that has nothing to do with staff of any website.  We can't control humans, we can't make them stop stealing, we can only control what is on the site we moderate.  If you guys want to be mad at someone, be mad at those who steal.  Be mad at whose who force us to even have rules against stealing to begin with.

 

I also want to point out, going to another website, or going to your own Discord is not going to prevent the problem.  Unless you restrict access to your models to only your best best friends, eventually your models will get leaked for people to fuck with.  Randoms can join your Discord, wait out the time needed to have access to downloads, and well-la! They can download and do what they want.

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19 hours ago, Ezra said:

 

I truly, truly do not mean for this to sound as douchey as it does, but how is people uploading ripped/stolen models on other websites our/LCPDFRs problem?  What exactly can we do to prevent it, stop letting members upload unlocked models?  Hinder our good community because of the bad ones?  People have been stealing things from content creators for years across various platforms.  It is a problem, but it's not just a GTA problem.

 

I understand the frustration, but vehicle devs need to realize how absurd it is to even consider punishing someone on this website for what they do on other websites.  If we started doing this, literally all of our member would start getting PMs and warnings.  I know how rowdy people get in their Discord servers and in private,  I know how people let loose with their friends and say shit they shouldn't.  Even the idea of punishing people for what they do on other sites and/or in private is outrageous.

 

This is an impossible scenario that has nothing to do with staff of any website.  We can't control humans, we can't make them stop stealing, we can only control what is on the site we moderate.  If you guys want to be mad at someone, be mad at those who steal.  Be mad at whose who force us to even have rules against stealing to begin with.

 

I also want to point out, going to another website, or going to your own Discord is not going to prevent the problem.  Unless you restrict access to your models to only your best best friends, eventually your models will get leaked for people to fuck with.  Randoms can join your Discord, wait out the time needed to have access to downloads, and well-la! They can download and do what they want.

Not douchey at all... I've heard this before, and respectfully disagree with the opinion. I don't agree with the notion that because those people can go do this work elsewhere, that we shouldn't take any measures possible to help curb the abuse happening here. To be honest, 50% of these abusers will likely give up simply because it is made more difficult for them to obtain the models to rip. 

 

This community is a privilege for people to be part of... there is no constitutional right that we must allow anyone and everyone in, and allow them to stay, unless pre-defined rules are broken in a black & white manner. Rather, this is a privately operated function, where the owners, managers, moderators, etc. can choose who is in, and who is out... without reason if necessary. There is no requirement for any leader of this community to maintain some kind of due process or the like. Just like, if it is not liked that I'm questioning how things are being approached, I could be kicked, and as a private establishment, that would be within your right. It would just be a sad day when the developers with morals decide they've had enough here, and decide to pull the plug... leaving this place with only those of less character and ripped/stolen models... When that day comes, we won't get any joy out of saying "told ya so."

 

And trust, I am mad at the people who steal and rip. I'm not mad at the moderator staff, just disappointed. This apparent "turn the other cheek" when they know people here are taking models, ripping them, and distributing elsewhere... it's a bummer. You mention that nothing would be different if models were taken to a different website or Discord... and you're right, the ability to obtain models would remain, but you best bet their ass will be permanently banned once their morals are discovered. When you say "Even the idea of punishing people for what they do on other sites and/or in private is outrageous..." isn't actually that outrageous. Imagine if you live in State A and your driver's license is revoked or suspended... you don't have a license to drive in any other state either. State T doesn't say "well, the reason his license was suspended didn't happen here, so we don't have to enforce that here. He can drive without consequence if he wants."

 

Again, my disagreement with the opinion here is not out of disrespect. The leaders here have the right to operate the community how they choose, I just think it should be of great interest to the leaders to hear some of the other opinions and concerns. Thank you for your time.

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