For the record, I live in NYC and I am a reader of the news.  I am fully aware of what is occurring right now; the city is missing out on cash because summons/ticket revenues are down, arrests for throw-away offenses are not being made because they shouldn't have been made in the first place (until the aforementioned Kelly administration practically took away discretion from officers and made them pull numbers day in and day out), and officers are allegedly responding to calls with additional backup in order to hopefully prevent the tragedy that happened to officers Ramos and Liu from happening again, showcasing that increased wait times amount from a need for additional officers on top of the ones out there already.  The city had a comparable patrol force during the 1975 layoffs compared to today, and perhaps that may also be a side effect of a decreased crime rate.  Perhaps officers are making a statement, but perhaps it is the flawed implementation of policies and systems in the past to chase short-term goals that was not looking at the long term that caused the majority of issues today.

I also live in NYC.

 

The fact that cops are making a statement by not doing their jobs means that they should be fired. They're all up in arms at DiBlasio, but he was democratically elected by the people of NYC, who they as officers swore to protect. But they're not protecting the people, they're choking them to death on the sidewalks. Obviously that's only one instance, and the cops in the city are doing well overall. But you can't excuse behavior like this, because once you give cops the ability to make statements using their job, it'll never end.

Always good to see a fellow NYC'er on the forum, hehe.

 

The fact of the matter is that officers are still conducting their jobs [again, evidenced by consistent activity in the news as well as the often completely unreported interactions with the public.  Get a hold of a scanner if you can and you'll see that jobs are still being answered, and therefore officers are still doing their jobs.]  MOS in other areas aside from patrol are surely doing their jobs as well, or cases would not be researched upon, arrests would not be made, etc.  Should the numbers ever have dictated policing in NYC as much as they have over the past ten years, and should the numbers ever gone that high considering what was an arrestable offense then would've been thrown out in the 70s/80s/90s - an era of significantly higher violent crime to focus upon?  You say that the police are doing well overall but then go on to make a blanket statement about them not doing their jobs and instead committing murder [albeit with a disclaimer at the end]?  I will not speak on the particular incident in question because differing opinions of specific aspects and actions of the case will undoubtedly foster nothing but arguments of a subjective nature, but one must at the very least respect the legal process.  A fundamental part of having an occupation is the ability to be fairly treated and subsequently advocate for your fair treatment.  That is surely an admirable cause, and one that is at place here, even though officers are continuing to work.

 

As a note, it was a pleasure to have a civilized conversation on this topic with you.  I've sent you a link through PM to an article explaining why some of the numbers that I speak of were arguably artificially inflated and thus why tensions are so high, in the event that you were curious.

Edited January 9, 201511 yr by FCV96

Guys let me explain to you what takes place during a job slow down in new york city as I myself was a part of and took place in one. First NYPD had s.o.p's in place that state you must follow all vehicle and traffic laws while on patrol,in order to stop those making moving violations this is counter productive and has been over looked to keep numbers up, hence the drop in summons numbers for moving violations. Parking tickets before you just write the ticket during a slow down you ask the driver to move his/her car. As for arrests during an every day patrol you see large groups of teens you stop and investigate what's going on and use the stop and frisk procedure to check them out, during a slow down you watch the individuals to make sure they are not breaking the law without approaching. So you are still doing your job just the mechanics of it have changed and you are sticking to the letter of the patrol guide. No crime is going overlooked just as I said the mechanics of it are changing slightly therefore arrests are down.So do not think for a minute that the job is not getting done it still is just your not going into the Grey areas of the patrol guide that let you run the red lights it order to catch the violator of a moving violation ,giving people more of a chance to move there cars and not hasseling every group of kids to"find"something to effect an arrest the city is still being protected,changing those mechanisms of how you do your job will just bring numbers down not make them non existent

Edited January 10, 201511 yr by gatekeeper