Yes, the US would have something to complain about if they had to intercept Chinese vessels, but it's the other way round here. The US entered the exclusion zone that were aware of (as their own carriers has these too) to see what the Chinese would do.

 

 

It's a non-story because it happens every day all over the world. It's a part of the political game, nobody wants to look weak even though they full well know that its' pointless.

The guided missile cruiser USS Cowpens, which recently took part in disaster relief operations in the Philippines, was confronted by Chinese warships in the South China Sea. That doesn't sound like the US trying to see what the Chinese would do does it now 

The Chinese did not confront the the US, the US confronted the Chinese navy.

 

The Chinese had their own vessel, an aircraft carrier in international waters when US vessel APPROACHED the Chinese carrier, the Chinese told the US  vessel to turn away. the US vessel didn't change their course despite being able to (as the evasive manoeuvre shows), they continued towards the Chinese carrier. The Chinese correctly assessed the US vessel as being aggressive and despatched a intercepting craft, the US vessel held its course as long as possible in order to see exactly what the Chinese navy would do, the Chinese interceptor didn't back down which forced the US vessel to take avoiding action, the Chinese navy escorted the vessel away from the carrier, as is their right to do so.

 

What the US vessel were doing before is not relevant, they still ignored warnings and knowingly approached a Chinese carrier when they had every opportunity not to do so.

 

 

Let's say that you're sitting in the park minding your own business when a man begins to shout at you, you tell him to go away, but he walks towards you. He's a big man whit strong overarms so you take a defensive stance as you expect him to punch you. You tell him to stop again, but he ignores you. You take a step forward to intimidate him, he turns around and leaves, he calls the cops who show up and take you to jail.

You didn't do anything wrong, you were defending yourself  from an aggressor, as you have a right to do.

 

 

Both sides of this has done this trick before and they'll do it again, they both know it will happen and it does not matter in the grand scheme of it all. It's a non-story.

The Chinese did not confront the the US, the US confronted the Chinese navy.

 

The Chinese had their own vessel, an aircraft carrier in international waters when US vessel APPROACHED the Chinese carrier, the Chinese told the US  vessel to turn away. the US vessel didn't change their course despite being able to (as the evasive manoeuvre shows), they continued towards the Chinese carrier. The Chinese correctly assessed the US vessel as being aggressive and despatched a intercepting craft, the US vessel held its course as long as possible in order to see exactly what the Chinese navy would do, the Chinese interceptor didn't back down which forced the US vessel to take avoiding action, the Chinese navy escorted the vessel away from the carrier, as is their right to do so.

 

Now where in the news story say that the US confronted the Chinese navy the Chinese confronted the US navy. The US navy isn't that stupid do confront their navy

Bad move china, you'll be lucky if you avoid a nuclear war. lol

Really? Wouldn't be joking when ye...................I won't.

The US navy isn't that stupid do confront their navy

As NB stated, the US, and all other world powers, keep themselves in check by doing stuff like this. I believe that this was intentional.

 

Bottom line is that China was minding it's own business and the US wanted to test China's restraint by blatantly ignoring China's warnings to back away.

As NB stated, the US, and all other world powers, keep themselves in check by doing stuff like this. I believe that this was intentional.

 

Bottom line is that China was minding it's own business and the US wanted to test China's restraint by blatantly ignoring China's warnings to back away.

where is your evidence to prove that the US was in fact provoking China?

Right here:

 

 

According to the officials, the run-in began after a Chinese navy vessel sent a hailing warning and ordered the Cowpens to stop. The cruiser continued on its course and refused the order because it was operating in international waters.

 

The Chinese issued a warning which means that the Chinese is going to take protective measures to ensure that no harm comes to their assets.  You have to expect some sort of reaction if you ignore a warning regardless of whether or not you agree with it.

 

Chinese tank landing ship sailed in front of the Cowpens and stopped, forcing the Cowpens to abruptly change course in what the officials said was a dangerous maneuver.

 

The reactive move they chose was the least aggressive option, they despatched a vessel similar to the one in the spoiler to block the path of a destroyer:

 

This did not pose any threat to the US vessel at all, it simply blocked their path in order to force the destroyer to comply with the warning issued.

 

 

 

The Chinese warned the US destroyer, the US destroyer ignored the warning so the Chinese took action and somehow the Chinese is the bad guys. The Chinese did as expected, the US should have backed down as soon as they received the warning if they wanted to avoid a confrontation with the Chinese navy, it does not matter whether or not the destroyer agreed with the warning

 

Right here:

 

 

 

The Chinese issued a warning which means that the Chinese is going to take protective measures to ensure that no harm comes to their assets.  You have to expect some sort of reaction if you ignore a warning regardless of whether or not you agree with it.

 

 

The reactive move they chose was the least aggressive option, they despatched a vessel similar to the one in the spoiler to block the path of a destroyer:

 

This did not pose any threat to the US vessel at all, it simply blocked their path in order to force the destroyer to comply with the warning issued.

 

 

 

The Chinese warned the US destroyer, the US destroyer ignored the warning so the Chinese took action and somehow the Chinese is the bad guys. The Chinese did as expected, the US should have backed down as soon as they received the warning if they wanted to avoid a confrontation with the Chinese navy, it does not matter whether or not the destroyer agreed with the warning

According to the officials, the run-in began after a Chinese navy vessel sent a hailing warning and ordered the Cowpens to stop. if the Chinese were trying to defend their assets they would have asked the ship to TURN AROUND not stop dead in the water think about that for me 

The full definition of "Stop" from the Merriam Webster dictionary:

 

 

a :  to close by filling or obstructing

 

b :  to hinder or prevent the passage of

 

c :  to get in the way of :  be wounded or killed by <easy to stop a bullet along a lonely…road — Harvey Fergusson>

2

a :  to close up or block off (an opening) :  plug

 

b :  to make impassable :  choke, obstruct

 

c :  to cover over or fill in (a hole or crevice)

3

a :  to cause to give up or change a course of action

 

b :  to keep from carrying out a proposed action :  restrain, prevent <stopped them from leaving>

4

a :  to cause to cease :  check, suppress

 

b :  discontinue

5

a :  to deduct or withhold (a sum due)

 

b :  to instruct one's bank to refuse (payment) or refuse payment of (as a check)

6

a :  to arrest the progress or motion of :  cause to halt <stopped the car>

 

b :  parry

 

c :  to check by means of a weapon :  bring down, kill

 

d :  to beat in a boxing match by a knockout; broadly :  defeat

 

e :  baffle, nonplus

7

:  to change the pitch of (as a violin string) by pressing with the finger or (as a wind instrument) by closing one or more finger holes or by thrusting the hand or a mute into the bell

8

:  to hold an honor card and enough protecting cards to be able to block (a bridge suit) before an opponent can run many tricks

 

 

Note 3a:

 

 

to cause to give up or change a course of action

 

The full definition of "Stop" from the Merriam Webster dictionary:

 

 

 

Note 3a:

*facepalm* you got me there 

It doesn't take a genius to work out that the stop order meant not to continue on the current course/path. The US ignored the warnings that the Chinese issued, having been given every possibility to do so (as mentioned by NB). Thus the US vessel was escorted away by the Chinese.

If it's in International waters, then neither side would have listened to the other. Unless i missed it somewhere, the article didn't explicitly say that the Cowpens was heading for the Chinese naval group. My interpretation of it, is that the Chinese felt that the Cowpens was getting "too close" and ordered them to stop or change course. Seeing as the Chinese have, in the past, harassed US naval groups, it wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese just wanted to harass the US again. Since neither side seems to really like each other, I think the Chinese were just overreacting and looking to try to "bully" the US.  

We can't argue semantics about the warning as we haven't heard it, the US Government officials (hardly an unbiased source) used the the word Stop.

 

 

It's a political game, there's not going to be a war with China because the US has nothing to gain, there's no assets in China that are of interest to the US.  We also have to take into account that the Chinese government has loaned a huge amount of money to the US government, the US does not want to bite the hand that feeds them.

 

It's a complex situation, both sides know that war will not happen because it wouldn't benefit either side, but both sides has to save face in order to stay in power, the US government does not want to look weak in front of its allies or its own citizens, neither does the Chinese government.

Both sides benefit from this kind of thing, it instils fear into the US citizens because their mighty navy is being threatened by the evil Chinese empire. Meanwhile the Chinese citizens are proud of their PLA (People's Liberation Army) for defending the Chinese Empire from the evil Western army. Everyone wins.

We can't argue semantics about the warning as we haven't heard it, the US Government officials (hardly an unbiased source) used the the word Stop.

 

 

It's a political game, there's not going to be a war with China because the US has nothing to gain, there's no assets in China that are of interest to the US.  We also have to take into account that the Chinese government has loaned a huge amount of money to the US government, the US does not want to bite the hand that feeds them.

 

It's a complex situation, both sides know that war will not happen because it wouldn't benefit either side, but both sides has to save face in order to stay in power, the US government does not want to look weak in front of its allies or its own citizens, neither does the Chinese government.

Both sides benefit from this kind of thing, it instils fear into the US citizens because their mighty navy is being threatened by the evil Chinese empire. Meanwhile the Chinese citizens are proud of their PLA (People's Liberation Army) for defending the Chinese Empire from the evil Western army. Everyone wins.

Agree. No one was "in the right" here.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/13/politics/us-china-confrontation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 here is the CNN news story 

chinese troops were on American soil in Hawaii not to long ago for a grid x "drill" http://www.examiner.com/article/communist-chinese-troops-boots-on-the-ground-hawaii-next-Tuesday I would say THAT alone is a bad move which is concerning

chinese troops were on American soil in Hawaii not to long ago for a grid x "drill" http://www.examiner.com/article/communist-chinese-troops-boots-on-the-ground-hawaii-next-Tuesday I would say THAT alone is a bad move which is concerning

That is very concerning thanks for sharing 

Come on. Be real for one moment and think. If China wanted to prepare an attack on the US, the US government would know about it. I'm not going to think for one second that the US government isn't keeping secrets from us such as spying on foreign nations and taking the role of world police. Like NB has said, the US and China have an interesting relationship and they aren't going to fuck up that relationship with conflict because neither side will benefit.

Come on. Be real for one moment and think. If China wanted to prepare an attack on the US, the US government would know about it. I'm not going to think for one second that the US government isn't keeping secrets from us such as spying on foreign nations and taking the role of world police. Like NB has said, the US and China have an interesting relationship and they aren't going to fuck up that relationship with conflict because neither side will benefit.

 

Thank you! Just what I tried to say a while ago    

@NB: You are technically wrong about exclusion zones. There is nothing in international law to support the idea that a country can declare the area around any of its ships to be off-limits. This is not to say exclusion zones don't exist, or that they aren't pretty universally accepted in practice, but as a matter of law, there is no force behind them (again, as a matter of actual force, instead of legal force, what's behind them is an aircraft carrier battle group, which is quite a lot of real force).

Nevertheless, the whole point of freedom of navigation exercises is that one country sends warships where they are legally allowed to go, but where another country has warned them not to go. The idea isn't to shoot: the USN shot down a few Libyan fighters in the 80s in an exercise, but a) that's Libya, which isn't a credible military threat and b) that's fighters, not ships. In this case, I'd expect both sides were under orders not to fire unless fired upon or given permission by high command. Even if either side did attack, I doubt it'd lead to a full-on war. No one sane wants a war. There's the human cost of any war, the risking-the-world cost of a war between nuclear powers, the economic cost (the US and China are massive trading partners, and both sides benefit from the economic relationship), and all for not much upside. If I had to guess, I'd guess the US would back down before getting into a real war.