For conspiracy theorists; I'm just going to post

This: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

(Satire article)

and

This: http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

("Loose change" point by point rebuttal)

Again, thank you all for the condolences.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/lsWZHKIg3Cs

Edited September 17, 201114 yr by lomnutjo

http://youtu.be/BmP2Vy8K0i0

http://youtu.be/Sm73wOuPL60 and http://youtu.be/KlWSv0NZBRw

I think I am a realist. I don't trust the conspiracy theories but I also don't trust the anti-conspiracy theories... They happen to both have some wrong facts...

But when I turn on my tv and see some documentary about 9/11 on the official tv (so no "faked action movie") then I get into thinking about it.

Example:

Conspiracy says: Plane crashed, burns at ~800°C, steel melts at ~1600°C -> WTC was a CD

Anti-Consp says: Plane crashed, burns at ~800°C, steel loses 50% of strength -> WTC collapsed by terrorists

Official TV says: Plane crashed, but the building was built for a way(!) bigger crash without collapsing (told by one of the architects of the WTC) -> WHY THE HELL DID IT COLLAPSE?

So you see, both theories are based on weak facts and going further than they can proof it. Only the last one is completely based on facts and is proofed. They do not clearly say who or what it was but they explain the situation as it was.

There was some more footage but I can't remember all this now. The documentary was about 2 hours so they discussed nearly everything. They made a lot of interviews with surviving firemen or policemen and so did catch a lot of more or less detailed impressions of this day - that's better than any informations by government or tv shows...

Oh and btw. this guy who is calling all 911 conspiracies to be totally wrong and bullshit is some morron himself. Did he even watch the videos about 911? Because he states that it is correct that steel isn't going to melt on that temperature but on some videos you can actually see some melting steel dropping and also many guys that were actually at the WTC said that there were "rivers of molten steel". I don't know but it kinda sounds like he is also wrong with his thesis^^

So you see, it isn't that easy to trust it or not!! There is a big grey zone and you gotta find your own way through...

Rich, that was one of the most intelligent answers Ive seen on the conspiracy theory side of this thread, two more unexplained events that happend that faithful day that alot of people fail to remember is another building over a block away owned by the port authority and the same people tied to the WTC fell and was never even touched by a plane or anything for that matter, and what about the people down in the basement that heard explosions under the trade center before the plane even hit (Documented) The truth of the fact is, that everyone is so used to going about there day to day life, and are so afraid of something serious changinging there life completely around forever that they fail to see that there are major changes going on in this world right now that people are to stuck in there ways to see, The american dollar is becoming worthless, we owe so much debt to foreign countries, that they are not going to accept us currency anymore, right now it is in the works to make the euro our world currency, does anyone know what happens when money becomes invaluable and nobody excepts it, Ill tell you, prices quadroople and when prices quadroople, nobody will be able to afford anything, so then crime starts on an outrages level, crime that I would be forced to do because my family isnt starving to death, crime that governments are unable to contain because so many people are involved, witch then leads to martial law, and when martial law hits you will see the world change forever,as we speak these things are all ready in the works, just in the past five years we have been in the worst recession ever in the united states, not to mention mortgage collapse, stock market collapse, our government almost went into a lockout, the price of gold here has skyrocketed, do you know why? because he who holds the most gold at the end, will have the most power, Im not trying to change anybodies perspective on life, I just wish people would come out of the trance this country has left them in and wake up and c things arent the way they used to be, keep telling yourself everything will be ok , but when the shit really hits the fan and people start to realize, it maybe to late

Example:

Conspiracy says: Plane crashed, burns at ~800°C, steel melts at ~1600°C -> WTC was a CD

Anti-Consp says: Plane crashed, burns at ~800°C, steel loses 50% of strength -> WTC collapsed by terrorists

Official TV says: Plane crashed, but the building was built for a way(!) bigger crash without collapsing (told by one of the architects of the WTC) -> WHY THE HELL DID IT COLLAPSE?

Kerosene (Kerosin) burns at ~1927°C (~2200 Kelvin). http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosin

This is a fact!

Edited September 17, 201114 yr by xDodox

y would they have such a highly flammable material stored under the WTC? google liquid thermite they actually found traces of that at the WTC,.

Edited September 17, 201114 yr by lomnutjo

LIQUID THERMITE http://youtu.be/9J8ojEWlkrs

http://youtu.be/913Am7ZScVM

Edited September 17, 201114 yr by lomnutjo

Kerosene (Kerosin) burns at ~1927°C (~2200 Kelvin). http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosin

That's just what I wanted to say! Don't trust all them theories but get your own opinion!Best example here...

As described above BOTH theories said that kerosene doesn't burn at 2200K. But I gotta say those 2200K aren't realistic though^^ It's the highest temperature possible with kerosene. I'm not really into this stuff but I read some things about it and there was also a passage about some "optimal situations" and so on. It's divided into several categories of burning types.

That's just what I wanted to say! Don't trust all them theories but get your own opinion!Best example here...

As described above BOTH theories said that kerosene doesn't burn at 2200K. But I gotta say those 2200K aren't realistic though^^ It's the highest temperature possible with kerosene. I'm not really into this stuff but I read some things about it and there was also a passage about some "optimal situations" and so on. It's divided into several categories of burning types.

Yeah, I know. I just wanted to say that 800°C is unrealistic, nothing more. ;)