What do 'regions of excessive swearing' have to do with this topic?

Everybody has their own opinion. It is 'your' opinion, and may not be the opinion of others. It is okay to believe what you want to believe, but don't shove it down other people's throats.

Edited July 17, 201312 yr by Michael V.

Hahaha, "Keep his life" K-9 He did not get hurt at all and killed trayvon.

How the hell does 'regions of excessive swearing' have to do with this topic?

Everybody has their own opinion. It is 'your' opinion, and may not be the opinion of others. It is okay to believe what you want to believe, but don't shove it down other people's throats.

THANK YOU!! I say my opinion of the case and everybody is attacking me over it. I just said what I believe and left everyone else alone until they started commenting on my opinion.

doesn't matter on top side in front nothing     Treyvon was the aggressor and kept attacking  and Zimmerman had to shoot to stop him and keep his life  and was unable to escape

 

Ok let me ask you this question. what would you have done if you were in treyvon's shoes. a creepy man(doesn't matter the race) was watching you and started following you at night and you feared for your life and you can't run anymore because your tired and the man approaches you. you don't know what this man's intentions are. what would you do to get out of the situation. i'm not a bad person but i would've reacted the same way.

 

Ok let me ask you this question. what would you have done if you were in treyvon's shoes. a creepy man(doesn't matter the race) was watching you and started following you at night and you feared for your life and you can't run anymore because your tired and the man approaches you. you don't know what this man's intentions are. what would you do to get out of the situation. i'm not a bad person but i would've reacted the same way.

 

I think Trayvon was trying to defend himself because he was sared. If Zimmerman would have just waited for the cops to come none of this would have happened and we wouldn't be having this conversation

Ok let me ask you this question. what would you have done if you were in treyvon's shoes. a creepy man(doesn't matter the race) was watching you and started following you at night and you feared for your life and you can't run anymore because your tired and the man approaches you. you don't know what this man's intentions are. what would you do to get out of the situation. i'm not a bad person but i would've reacted the same way.

 

 

Getting off the phone with that girl and calling 911 would have been a big step in the right direction.

Getting off the phone with that girl and calling 911 would have been a big step in the right direction.

If you are trying to run but you are tired and all of a sudden the man is right there in front of you. You think he is going to let dial 911. No he would try to apprehend you and do whatever.

Getting off the phone with that girl and calling 911 would have been a big step in the right direction.

 

Ok but that wouldn't have stopped the man from running you down. So you're telling me you wouldn't try to defend yourself. i don't think anyone on this thread would just stand there and get beaten or murdered. they would fight. getting on the phone won't stop that person. by the time the cops arrive you could be dead or kidnapped or whatever.

If you are trying to run but you are tired and all of a sudden the man is right there in front of you. You think he is going to let dial 911. No he would try to apprehend you and do whatever.

 

If that's what really happened, then Martin would have been justified to defend himself from what he believed would be an imminent threat. Of course, seeing that Zimmerman was armed with a firearm, the scenario would have likely ended the same way for Martin, but Zimmerman would have been found guilty.

 

Unfortunately, the prosecutors didn't provide enough evidence to support that theory beyond a reasonable doubt. So, in the eyes of the law the state failed to meet their burden of proof and the jury had no choice but to find Zimmerman innocent.

 

That's how the law works, regardless of your opinion,or my opinion.

excuse my language everyone but no one said anything when zimmerman called treyvon a fucking coon. that's a racist remark towards african americans. and by the way if anyone is wondering, i am caucasion and i live about 60 miles from sanford.

If that's what really happened, then Martin would have been justified to defend himself from what he believed would be an imminent threat. Of course, seeing that Zimmerman was armed with a firearm, the scenario would have likely ended the same way for Martin, but Zimmerman would have been found guilty.

 

Unfortunately, the prosecutors didn't provide enough evidence to support that theory beyond a reasonable doubt. So, in the eyes of the law the state failed to meet their burden of proof and the jury had no choice but to find Zimmerman innocent.

 

That's how the law works, regardless of your opinion,or my opinion.

now i see what you are saying. It's really the state law that set him free. If I was In that situation where somebody is armed and you cant call 911 I would rely on my Martial Arts to help save me.

Ok but that wouldn't have stopped the man from running you down. So you're telling me you wouldn't try to defend yourself. i don't think anyone on this thread would just stand there and get beaten or murdered. they would fight. getting on the phone won't stop that person. by the time the cops arrive you could be dead or kidnapped or whatever.

 

You're right, no one would just stand there and get beaten, they would fight. Which is why Zimmerman chose to fight when he was attacked

If that's what really happened, then Martin would have been justified to defend himself from what he believed would be an imminent threat. Of course, seeing that Zimmerman was armed with a firearm, the scenario would have likely ended the same way for Martin, but Zimmerman would have been found guilty.

 

Unfortunately, the prosecutors didn't provide enough evidence to support that theory beyond a reasonable doubt. So, in the eyes of the law the state failed to meet their burden of proof and the jury had no choice but to find Zimmerman innocent.

 

That's how the law works, regardless of your opinion,or my opinion.

 

Well i can't argue with that, even though i was for treyvon

excuse my language everyone but no one said anything when zimmerman called treyvon a fucking coon. that's a racist remark towards african americans. and by the way if anyone is wondering, i am caucasion and i live about 60 miles from sanford.

Dude you might as well say Black person or white person. I wouldn't care if you was to call me a black man. YES I'm Black.

now i see what you are saying. It's really the state law that set him free. If I was In that situation where somebody is armed and you cant call 911 I would rely on my Martial Arts to help save me.

 

Yes that's correct. Zimmerman was found not guilty by a jury, because as defined by law, he did not commit murder.

 

But you know and understand that already, because you said work for the Alabama State Troopers right?

 

Reasonable doubt and the burden of proof in criminal cases are basic principles of law.

Yes that's correct. Zimmerman was found not guilty by a jury, because as defined by law, he did not commit murder.

 

But you know and understand that already, because you said work for the Alabama State Troopers right?

 

Reasonable doubt and the burden of proof in criminal cases are basic principles of law.

Yes i do. And I wished that stuff would have happened down here so Zimmerman would be in jail.

Well i can't argue with that, even though i was for treyvon

 

Which has been my point all along.

 

If we remove emotion and opinion from the equation, the law is clear. Zimmerman is not guilty of murder as defined by law.

 

Like I said back on page 1 of this thread, Zimmerman should not have been in that situation, he should have remained on his property, he should have followed the instructions of the 911 call taker. But, he wasn't charged with menacing, or assault, or trespassing, or any other charge for the laws he actually did break. He was charged with murder; a crime he did not commit as defined by the law.

Also, it's not illegal to disobey a 911 call taker. They are not police officers or sworn public safety officials. They do not have the authority to issue lawful orders, and you are under no obligation to do anything a 911 call taker says. Was he stupid, yes. But sadly, "criminal stupidity" is not yet a valid charge in American courts.

If you want to be upset at the verdict of this case, then be upset at the prosecutors office that filed worthless charges against Zimmerman. It almost appeared that the prosecutors office was trying to make a show, and thought they could play the race card to get emotion involved and get a "win" for their resumes. That's the real "injustice" here.

You're right, no one would just stand there and get beaten, they would fight. Which is why Zimmerman chose to fight when he was attacked

 

yeah you're right but how can you be 100% certain that treyvon attacked first. from the witness statements everyone said either they saw treyvon on top or zimmerman on top. so that concludes that they both were rolling around on the ground and someone got the upperhand.

yeah you're right but how can you be 100% certain that treyvon attacked first. from the witness statements everyone said either they saw treyvon on top or zimmerman on top. so that concludes that they both were rolling around on the ground and someone got the upperhand.

 

I can't be 100% certain, and neither can you. Neither of us were there that night to witness the incident. But that's why reasonable doubt exists in law. Zimmerman stated that he was assaulted, pinned to the ground, and in fear for his life because his skull was being hit against concrete. He had visible injuries to his face and head consistent with that account. No other evidence was presented during trial that could disprove that statement beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

Yes i do. And I wished that stuff would have happened down here so Zimmerman would be in jail.

 

You're kidding yourself if you think the verdict would have been any different in Alabama. The laws for Alabama concealed weapon holders are very similar. If Zimmerman could articulate compelling reason to justify that he was in fear for his life or of great bodily harm (which he did) and his statements could not be disproved beyond a reasonable doubt by the state (which they couldn't), then he would not have been found guilty of murder because he did not commit murder. That's the law.

Which has been my point all along.

 

If we remove emotion and opinion from the equation, the law is clear. Zimmerman is not guilty of murder as defined by law.

 

Like I said back on page 1 of this thread, Zimmerman should not have been in that situation, he should have remained on his property, he should have followed the instructions of the 911 call taker. But, he wasn't charged with menacing, or assault, or trespassing, or any other charge for the laws he actually did break. He was charged with murder; a crime he did not commit as defined by the law.

Also, it's not illegal to disobey a 911 call taker. They are not police officers or sworn public safety officials. They do not have the authority to issue lawful orders, and you are under no obligation to do anything a 911 call taker says. Was he stupid, yes. But sadly, "criminal stupidity" is not yet a valid charge in American courts.

If you want to be upset at the verdict of this case, then be upset at the prosecutors office that filed worthless charges against Zimmerman. It almost appeared that the prosecutors office was trying to make a show, and thought they could play the race card to get emotion involved and get a "win" for their resumes. That's the real "injustice" here.

Thats also my point. All Zimmerman had to do was wait for the police to handle it and no one would be hurt or dead