As the title suggests, I'd like to discuss the compatibility of these two scripts with LSPDFR 0.4.9. In my opinion, it seems that due to the lack of updates for these scripts, they may not be fully optimized for use with LSPDFR 0.4.9. While both of them offer impressive features that I'd hate to part with, I often encounter situations where they duplicate some of the functions recently integrated into LSPDFR, causing a bit of confusion in the overall experience.

 

One prominent example of this is the frisking features present in both LSPDFR and StopThePed. They operate independently of each other, resulting in perplexing outcomes when searching pedestrians. Furthermore, although I appreciate the alternative surrender animation offered by StopThePed, I sometimes revert to the original system due to compatibility issues with callout packs. These are only two examples and, although I can offer more, I believe my point is clear.

 

I'm primarily interested in hearing your opinions on this matter and any alternative solutions to common issues that people encounter with these two scripts. If there's something significant that I might be overlooking, I would greatly appreciate it if someone could fill me in.

Edited October 28, 20232 yr by dbor
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7 minutes ago, dbor said:

In my opinion, it seems that due to the lack of updates for these scripts, they may not be fully optimized for use with LSPDFR 0.4.9.

I've been using them for quite a bit after the public updates stopped and they work fine for me. I know the biggest gripe is that there is an update (not sure what it adds) but it is paywalled. Other than that, the public versions work fine.
 

9 minutes ago, dbor said:

Furthermore, although I appreciate the alternative surrender animation offered by StopThePed, I sometimes revert to the original system due to compatibility issues with callout packs

Can you provide log examples of these "compatibility issues"? I would be interested to see these.
 

10 minutes ago, dbor said:

I'm primarily interested in hearing your opinions

I like using them, amongst other plugins by Bejo like ALPR Lite, because they provide a sizeable amount of content to traffic stops/running traffic that no other plugin comes even close to. It's simply those niche issues (version checker/paywalls) that have people frowning on those plugins. But objectively, they are pretty good.

13 hours ago, UnknownBastion said:

I've been using them for quite a bit after the public updates stopped and they work fine for me. I know the biggest gripe is that there is an update (not sure what it adds) but it is paywalled. Other than that, the public versions work fine.
 

Can you provide log examples of these "compatibility issues"? I would be interested to see these.
 

I like using them, amongst other plugins by Bejo like ALPR Lite, because they provide a sizeable amount of content to traffic stops/running traffic that no other plugin comes even close to. It's simply those niche issues (version checker/paywalls) that have people frowning on those plugins. But objectively, they are pretty good.

 

So, to clarify, the scripts are still being updated to work better with LSPDFR 4.9, but those updates are just unavailable without paying the creator? I've been on the creator's Discord & there has been no sign of interaction with the community from the author in about a year or more.

 

Although I'd love to help, I'm afraid that my poor compatibility experiences occurred in the past and that none of my logs from that time would be accessible.

 

I completely agree with you. I've had some of my best times playing LSPDFR with these two. Despite this, they seem to have begun to fall behind in terms of their purpose, especially considering the changes to LSPDFR for which this version of the plugins did not account for. I'm sure you'll agree when I say that I find the LSPDFR animations, UI, and mechanics among other things much more polished than what STP & UB offer. 

 

As a disclaimer, just know that my understanding on this topic is limited. Although I have extensive experience with development, my knowledge of this community and the history of popular plugins/authors is very broad.

29 minutes ago, dbor said:

the scripts are still being updated to work better with LSPDFR 4.9, but those updates are just unavailable without paying the creator?

They all still work fine. There is just a slight update that is paywalled.

 

 

30 minutes ago, dbor said:

I'm sure you'll agree when I say that I find the LSPDFR animations, UI, and mechanics among other things much more polished than what STP & UB offer. 

I agree with animations and mechanics to a degree. But I think STP/UB have a much more enhanced UI and have better options when it comes to traffic stops and arrests.

7 hours ago, UnknownBastion said:

They all still work fine. There is just a slight update that is paywalled.

Although maybe not necessarily broken, you have features like pat-downs that will have STP using their own method to return pedestrian possessions while LSPDFR now has their own. Although this in itself is something you can deal with, you also have callout packs like "Lore Callouts" that take advantage of the LSPDFR searches as a mechanic. This causes confusion. This is just an example, but I can name a number of similar occurrences that could be fixed.

 

7 hours ago, UnknownBastion said:

I agree with animations and mechanics to a degree. But I think STP/UB have a much more enhanced UI and have better options when it comes to traffic stops and arrests.

Absolutely agreed with you. It's the only reason I'm trying my best to correct these issues without having to consider removing it (which I doubt I'd do anyways.)

2 hours ago, dbor said:

STP using their own method to return pedestrian possessions while LSPDFR now has their own

I don't think it is possible to customize the search items in base LSPDFR while STP allows for customization in that manner.

 

16 hours ago, UnknownBastion said:

I don't think it is possible to customize the search items in base LSPDFR while STP allows for customization in that manner.

 

Sadly, you're right, there is not. I completely agree that STP has a pretty nice system, but I also believe that more of this kind of stuff should be standardized and polished to the same or a similar level as LSPDFR. My point here is just that, as good as STP is, I think that there is a lot more room for improvement.

On 10/28/2023 at 4:19 AM, dbor said:

As the title suggests, I'd like to discuss the compatibility of these two scripts with LSPDFR 0.4.9. In my opinion, it seems that due to the lack of updates for these scripts, they may not be fully optimized for use with LSPDFR 0.4.9. While both of them offer impressive features that I'd hate to part with, I often encounter situations where they duplicate some of the functions recently integrated into LSPDFR, causing a bit of confusion in the overall experience.

 

One prominent example of this is the frisking features present in both LSPDFR and StopThePed. They operate independently of each other, resulting in perplexing outcomes when searching pedestrians. Furthermore, although I appreciate the alternative surrender animation offered by StopThePed, I sometimes revert to the original system due to compatibility issues with callout packs. These are only two examples and, although I can offer more, I believe my point is clear.

 

I'm primarily interested in hearing your opinions on this matter and any alternative solutions to common issues that people encounter with these two scripts. If there's something significant that I might be overlooking, I would greatly appreciate it if someone could fill me in.

I use them both and have been for quite some time. I know now that there are Updates available behind a paywall, but frankly I'm a bit skeptical to put in any sensitive information, granted I have not visited the sites where you would pay for them. 

 

As for my opinion, I think STP is good, and UB is great, they both do what I intend them to do. My only grips are primarily with STP and honestly, they really boil down to me being both lazy and picky. I could easily go and edit the Q&A files myself but there really is no fun in that (in my opinion) and the modified ones that you can download are either lackluster or they have A LOT of grammatical errors, again small nitpick but it is the reality of it. As for UB, I have a few gripes like sometimes when I first start playing some stuff just doesn't work properly until after a few minutes, a very weird issue but certainly not game breaking. 

 

Moving on to Compatibility, I myself have had absolutely zero that stemmed from either UB or STP, and I have been using both for a considerable amount of time, the crashed I have had usually stemmed from an issue within the Callout or the Ambient Event having an issue with something else entirely, and my philosophy on LSPDFR is, Expect Issues, Expect Crashes, ect ect. So it doesn't bother me a ton with I get a CTD or Soft Crash in Game. 

 

My primary plugins are 

STP

UB

Police Menu/Compulite (I switch between the two a lot every 8 months or so because I always get bored of one lol)

Callout Interface

EUP

Ect Ect. 

 

While I agree that there are a lot of things that can be improved, for the time being STP and UB are excellent Plugins. Hopefully in the Future we will see AI improvements that maybe will allow AI TTS or something along those lines. 

6 hours ago, dbor said:

this kind of stuff should be standardized and polished to the same or a similar level as LSPDFR

That's the thing though. At it's core, LSPDFR is fairly basic. No hate on LSPDFR, because I love the mod for its framework  for others to built upon, but that is the truth of it. Plugins for LSPDFR will always have "room for improvement" because there will always be people suggesting more stuff to add. It's a vicious cycle of never enough.
 

6 hours ago, GrizzlyCMMG said:

but frankly I'm a bit skeptical to put in any sensitive information

You could always set up a PayPal using a dummy email. Not that I condone paying for that content as I dont think it is worth it. Just providing alternatives.

On 10/30/2023 at 4:40 AM, UnknownBastion said:

That's the thing though. At it's core, LSPDFR is fairly basic. No hate on LSPDFR, because I love the mod for its framework  for others to built upon, but that is the truth of it. Plugins for LSPDFR will always have "room for improvement" because there will always be people suggesting more stuff to add. It's a vicious cycle of never enough.
 

You could always set up a PayPal using a dummy email. Not that I condone paying for that content as I dont think it is worth it. Just providing alternatives.

Yea, I could but frankly I won't. Now if it were a Major Update or Overhaul to STP then I wouldn't much mind paying a couple bucks for it, but asking people to pay for minor improvements to something that is already relatively stable and is already full of content providing that you use Third Party additions to the Plugin (STP Q&As for example) is kind of absurd to me. And for what it is LSPDFR is very appreciable even being extremely basic on its own, I could not imagine the trial and error developers had to go through to get it to where it is at now. 

 

It really is kind of incredible when you realize just how much LSPDFR itself adds to GTAV in terms of possibilities, especially when GTAV is not a particularly Mod-Friendly Game. 

1 minute ago, GrizzlyCMMG said:

Yea, I could but frankly I won't. Now if it were a Major Update or Overhaul to STP then I wouldn't much mind paying a couple bucks for it

I was telling the other person that because they were worried about the information they were giving up. I also said myself that I do not think it is worth purchasing either as the current public version works exceptionally fine.

On 10/30/2023 at 4:40 AM, UnknownBastion said:

That's the thing though. At it's core, LSPDFR is fairly basic. No hate on LSPDFR, because I love the mod for its framework  for others to built upon, but that is the truth of it. Plugins for LSPDFR will always have "room for improvement" because there will always be people suggesting more stuff to add. It's a vicious cycle of never enough.

I see your point. A good chunk of playing LSPDFR can involve your imagination at times, especially since (as you already said) not every single possible course of action for a player has been scripted.

 

On 10/31/2023 at 4:26 PM, GrizzlyCMMG said:

And for what it is LSPDFR is very appreciable even being extremely basic on its own, I could not imagine the trial and error developers had to go through to get it to where it is at now. 

Amen. I would say that, although lacking features, LSPDFR is by far the most polished mod I've ever seen released for GTAV. It's clear that a lot of care went into planning out the development of it.

 

On 10/31/2023 at 4:28 PM, UnknownBastion said:

I also said myself that I do not think it is worth purchasing either as the current public version works exceptionally fine.

I looked more into purchasing the new versions of STP & UB and yeah.. it's not worth my time. Your warning about this is appreciated.

On 10/29/2023 at 10:32 PM, GrizzlyCMMG said:

I could easily go and edit the Q&A files myself but there really is no fun in that (in my opinion) and the modified ones that you can download are either lackluster or they have A LOT of grammatical errors, again small nitpick but it is the reality of it.

This is a good point. It's a small thing but bothersome enough to make me want to take care of it by writing everything myself. Might do that soon since I seem to be having no luck with downloads.

 

On 10/29/2023 at 10:32 PM, GrizzlyCMMG said:

Moving on to Compatibility, I myself have had absolutely zero that stemmed from either UB or STP, and I have been using both for a considerable amount of time, the crashed I have had usually stemmed from an issue within the Callout or the Ambient Event having an issue with something else entirely, and my philosophy on LSPDFR is, Expect Issues, Expect Crashes, ect ect. So it doesn't bother me a ton with I get a CTD or Soft Crash in Game. 

I agree, crashes are part of the experience at this point. By compatibility issues, I'm mainly referring to the inability for STP to properly interact and behave well with newer plugins. I understand that part of the responsibility of developers is to account for widely used plugins made by others, but STP is years behind on doing their part.

 

On 10/29/2023 at 10:32 PM, GrizzlyCMMG said:

(I switch between the two a lot every 8 months or so because I always get bored of one lol)

100% percent relatable. I've got one always disabled but still in the files, switching back and forth every now and then. I'd also add that the new Computer+ is pretty good.