Riley24

You’re more likely to accidentally shoot yourself, an innocent person, or a family member than to effectively use your gun in self defense. The facts don’t lie. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/01/defensive-gun-ownership-myth-114262 http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/1814426/accessibility-firearms-risk-suicide-homicide-victimization-among-household-members-systemati Also, when you introduce a gun to a situation where you assailant doesn’t have a gun, you dramatically increase your chances of getting shot. Those are the un-sexy realities that people who profit off of gun proliferation don’t tell you.

If she lunged, the police would not have left that detail out while trying to explain themselves. Use common sense.

And? Videos of African Americans looting proves what? If you're going to be make this about race, at least be brave enough to actually make a point. Tell us how you really feel about African Americans.

Sarcastic lol

You would think that with all the CCW custom AR-15 EDC go-bag #sheepdog #pewpewlife tactical operators in the country that we’d be safer.

Playing google translate through a car speaker? Bringing a family member out to translate? She was probably so terrified to suddenly have a dozen cops pointing their guns at her and shouting in a language she doesn’t understand. It’s not as easy to ‘just follow orders’ when you don’t speak English. there was no threat. She didn’t lunge or jump at anyone. She was just standing there. And they got frustrated, so they stun gunned an 87 year old. Shame on them. Maybe losing their jobs every now and then would make them more patient. They could have killed her. And shame on the person who called 911.

Refugees.

You might be too young to remember, but ICE was established in 2003, in the era of post-9/11 panic. ICE is not an essential government organization. Abolishing ICE is not the same thing as getting rid of the border, or the people guarding the border. You're arguing against something no one is arguing for. Also, they're protesting the human rights violations being committed by ICE, especially against children. Maybe you somehow missed the thousands of news stories about it? Oh, and I won't respond to you. I don't care enough about changing your mind to continue talking to you.

Nah yeah, meant the video itself. All good bro.

This might be the cringiest OP I have ever read in my 5 years on this website.

Right wingers: "Liberals love to play the victim....victim mentality!" Also right wingers: "Conservatism is under attack! Persecution of white people! Demonetization of straight white males! What about men's rights? Christianity is under attack!" The people that hold the most power, both politically and culturally, whining about being the victims. Pathetic.

Death penalty is usually more expensive, there’s always the possibility we’re killing the wrong person (and we do). There’s no evidence to suggest it’s an effective deterrent to crime. And its not moral. Killing people to show that killing people is wrong makes no sense. People support the the death penalty because they are emotional. Understandable, but we shouldn’t necessarily base our laws off of emotion.

Police are ‘always the good guys’ in very few places, if any. They’re made up of humans, after all. On topic: Both the US and Mexico need to end the drug war. It’s been a complete failure and it’s only making things worse.

Put that cop in jail.

Guns are not knives. They are, and should be regulated differently. You're deflecting. Incorrect. There is a legal definition for assault weapons: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/09/what_is_an_assault_weapon.html I never claimed that assault weapons made up for the majority of gun homicides. And come back when you have a smarter argument than 'only a few hundred people are murdered every year'. And I don't believe you about your hero story, sorry. It's the internet, you can't expect anyone to believe you. His mother definitely didn't need an AR-15, especially not in a town with virtually no violent crime. And she definitely didn't need it outside of a safe, where anyone could get to it, including her deranged son. Other countries have laws regarding the storage of firearms, and inspections to enforce them. When the second amendment was written, the militia would do inspections of their members homes to ensure their weapons were stored correctly and up to code. Just a thought. That sentence made no sense, dude. Definitely an argument for reducing the number of guns in circulation. We need less people's dads to have guns. Some of that change needs to happen culturally, I understand. Are you pro-Bundy? Oh god.... Yup. I believe so. "Why should I get a speeding ticket? I didn't crash!" Love it when people drop macho one-liners but misspell a word. And yes, I believe in self-preservation. That's why I want less guns near me. Call me a liberal snob, but I believe there's a more nuanced and complex solution to gun violence than 'shootin back'. That's a sad story. I'm sure that's made you quite the advocate for civil liberties, especially Hispanic immigrants and Muslim-Americans. You would probably advocate for arming those groups of people, right? When in the last 50 years have guns been used to defend freedom? Black Panthers? I'm genuinely asking. If we introduced 80 million guns to Canada, would individual Canadians be safer? You're literally wrong. Don't like NBC? Here's a Fox News article reporting the same exact thing (their website is a bit more factual than their TV program): http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/25/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act.html 'those polls are lies' - you definitely know how to receive new information. I'm honestly just warning you, claiming that credible polling agencies are 'lying' makes you sound unhinged.

I'm an adult, I only go to forums in the rare occurrence when I don't have better things to do. As soon as your responses bore me, I stop responding. I tend to stop responding when pro-gun people get emotional about their freedoms, choose to ignore facts from credible sources, or boringly state 'The second amendment. End of discussion.' So you support gun control, and we're largely in agreement. I support banning bump stocks and assault weapons (which have a legal definition, you can look it up). I know I probably loose you there, but frankly I don't really care. Ammosexuals (not saying YOU are one) are too in love with their sexy black rifles. Instagram is full of tacticool weekend operators. Those guys aren't the guys I'm worried about. Sure, they might blow their wife's head off during a drunken argument, but if we're talking about mass shootings, they don't fit the profile. I'm worried about the amateur enthusiast who bought an AR-15 to stick it to the liberals, and his mentally deranged high school kid who has access to it. I just don't believe pro-gun people when they claim they want an AR-15 for improved effectiveness in home defense, and I don't believe them when they say they're stock piling to defend against tyranny. I'm a knife guy, building a small collection. I use and carry them for work, but I get the appeal of collecting and modifying guns. But I want the safety of the public, and our police officers to be a higher priority than the specific freedoms of owning certain kinds of weapons, and the ways we allow them to be sold in the first place. I never said that you said the majority of Americans own guns. YOU claimed to be in the majority of Americans who were pro-gun, I informed you that you were incorrect in a number of ways. And if you spout the exact talking points expressed on the largest right wing media organization, I'm going to assume that you get your news there. And I never claimed that you voted for Trump. You were condescending and dickish about teenage survivors of a massacre, so I included a jab about the absolute morons who are on YOUR side. Majority of Americans support assault weapons ban, majority of Americans support bump stock ban. What is and isn't common sense is a matter of opinion. I think it is common sense to ban assault weapons and devices that allow for a loophole in laws regarding automatic weapons, and evidently, so do the majority of Americans. https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2521 http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/355376-poll-82-support-a-ban-on-bump-stocks

So do you support rigorous background checks, registration, and waiting periods? Or do you think getting more guns into the hands of the good guys will happen by the honor system? And you have uneducated hicks on your side. And you're wrong again: the majority of Americans do not own a gun, and support gun control by a substantial margin: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-support-gun-control-hits-record-high-n849686 YOU are in the minority, no matter what fox new tells you. You live in a fantasy world my friend. And those 'misguided and uninformed high schoolers' certainly seem more eloquent and informed than most Trump voters. Give me sources for your claims, or don't bother responding. I won't entertain your fantasies unless you provide proof for your arguments from this point on. And unless you're 14 years old, not responding on an internet forum doesn't mean you 'lost the argument'.

And yours hasn't? Your argument that more guns will lessen gun violence gets disproven every year. I'm open to new ideas. But if more guns was the answer to gun violence, we'd be living in the safest country on earth, and not the 103rd safest. Honestly, what would it take for you to realize you are wrong? Ever stop and think, maybe every other first world country figured this out already?

Wow, you play too many video game my friend.

I've never advocated for taking away guns from people like you, if you are truly as mentally fit and law abiding as you claim to be. Metal detectors don't stop bad guys with guns. And as parkland and many other shootings proved, even good guys with guns often times can't stop bad guys with guns. Just as a random example, Chris Kyle was a decorated, high skilled, and armed Navy SEAL, and was executed because he had his back turned for a moment. Armed guards at schools is not good enough if you're serious about protecting children in this country.

Much easier for a single deranged individual to massacre dozens of people with a gun than a knife, and you know that. I sure hope you know that. Right. We should 'secure the school'. Remember Fort Hood?

Weird coincidence that the country drowning in guns has a lot of awful mass shootings.

Thank God the attacker couldn't and didn't get their hands on a gun.

'Leftists' aren't arguing less for gun control because it was a woman, that's just made up. Its being talked about less because no one died. Its literally a less important news story than the recent mass shootings where 10+ people have died.

All the people cheering the killing of an obviously mentally ill man....you're sick. You're just not good people. Legal justification is complicated and figured out in court. In my unprofessional opinion I think its justified, but I'm not going to celebrate his death.