S.Bekowski

You're right they admit to be one sided, but I dont watch them alot just off and on regarding world events or domestic ones.

Fox news ins't perfect but they're much more reliable than any mainstream media outlet.

Well I appreciate you saying that, and its cool and I agree about the things you have to do to obtain one but my whole point is that if you're apart of a Paramilitary Organization then you can get access to these types of weapons and people in Poland are able to get them and nothing bad happens is my point, you even showed me that the country had lower gun crime than yours. Just an FYI to you Ben I'm not intending to attack you, you and I have different beliefs and thats alright and I respect that, nothing wrong with debating and sure it can get heated but I want to let you know that. I will submit to that, you are correct, I mixed up the US and Poland system, my point is that they do work and can operate through the entire country. similar to American Federal Agencies.

Internal Security Agency - this is like Britains MI5, they handle counter-terrorism and counter espionage. (Federal Agency) Goverment Protection Bureau - Secret Service basically. (Federal Agency) Central Anticorruption Bureau - That one is in the name. (Federal Agency) Customs Service - Border Control / Border Force / US Customs (Federal Agency) Civilian Watch Deatchment - protect military bases Prison Service - no explanation needed Border Guard - US Border Force type blokes (Federal Agency) Railway Protection Guard - armed security on trains Military Gendarmerie - Military Police. Forgot to also mention BOA which are an Anti-Mafia Federal Agency those I've marked above are federal agencies because they operate FEDERALLY which is the whole country. Should also mention the people above are receiving training but are paying for it, which you cant do with the Territorial guard, Reservists dont pay to go to training. Those weapons aren't issued to Reservists since the M4 Platform isnt used by the Polish Government. I thought this was the video of the two guys with the 416 and M4 at their home but its a more recent one when the Government changed and was offering it. Also I didn't say he was apart of the National Police. I said he was apart of one of the countries Federal Agencies. Well most journalists are biased but you seem to miss that I said I look at multiple sources, such as journalists, stats, and if im lucky in person. Here is another link showing different Paramilitary groups One more link showing a different paramilitary group in Poland, very similar camo so I understand the confusion but notice weapons are not what the Armed Forces use.

Most Journalists are biased, I gave you stats on how guns save people etc, you send journalist articles, I dont rely solely on the internet for information, it is a benefit, but I get my info from multiple journalists, stats, and if I'm lucky in person, the benefit for myself is that I have alot of relatives in Poland, and a few are apart of different Law Enforcement Agencies, Also its Policja not Polijca is, there are several other Federal Law Enforcement Agencies there I dont think I need to show you, there are several links you can find on your own I will provide you with evidence of militias im surprised you havent found any. These people apart of the military, these people were paying for these excercises out of pocket when the governemtn was Liberal and didnt support this. (Also notice him walking out of his home with an M4)

One thing you need to understand that this country has been through many wars, it has been oppressed and almost wiped off the face of the map completely something you would not understand since this country sacrificed itself to save yours essentially and got the boot thanks to your government. this country was flooded with guns from foreign invaders and people took them, after all these wars a majority of weapons weren't accounted for, where did they go? My Uncle works for a Federal Law Enforcement Agency there and he told me that these stats are false, many people dont want to say they own these weapons or hid them because they fear they may be put on a list and they will be taken away. A friends family member that is a retired police officer has a Browning HP handgun that isnt registered for the same reason and keeps it hidden. The Territorial Defense is a reservist group the US National Guard is Considered a Militia doesn't mean every paramilitary group is associated to it, they are groups of either military veterans, or law enforcement that offer training to the civilian populace and will defend the country if an invasion occurs. For instance look up the AZBR in the US its the same thing in Poland. Edit: The Previous Government in Poland (Liberal Party) was against training civilians from these paramilitary groups, calling them white supremacists, and Christian Extremists. Which was completely incorrect, many of these groups are christian but then again almost the entire country is such as the rest of europe. these groups offered training to civilians in case of a tyrannical government or a Russian Invasion

Well yes the Territorial Defense exists they are essentially the National Guard or Reserve Military like you said BUT there are also Paramilitary groups in Poland that are funded by the Government to train civilians. As of recently they've been more promoted and they are for people not looking to join the armed forces but be capable in a time of war and are capable of defending themselves. Law Enforcement is especially effective because they have the same attitude as American Law Enforcement, if you have the whole intention to kill me I will put you down. Hell even GROM Polish Special Forces train certain Law Enforcement Agencies. And the Gun ownership stat is incorrect most families in Poland carry a firearm and dont say they do, they are especially more common in the country because you cannot always rely on Law Enforcement to help you if somebody is threatening to kill you or your family.

The funniest thing about this is you watch this and how Feds handle protesters vs how Local and State Law Enforcement handle them. This is what happens when you mess with the Feds and they will put it to a stop immediately. These guys handle the situation perfectly, Spicey boi with the OC paintball gun goes ham on these guys. The funny thing is these "protesters" called these guys nazis, and said racial slurs at the officers and the person holding the camera tried to cover it so the viewers couldn't hear it.

don't see how it's related since politics haven't been brought up? unless you mean the video itself and you're replying to that then apologies.

Well yeah but they aren't apart of the military, they are a militia. The Polish Government is paying these groups to provide the civilian populace with equipment, weapons and military training free of charge, the civilians are also paid approx 150-200$ a month for doing it on weekends. This is for the whole population to be familiar with how weapons work, how to use them and handle them safely, and in a time of crisis can either assist military operations or defend their homes. That is its sole purpose. Also you asked for proof and I showed you proof that they offer it. The population is armed and with automatic weapons and no mass shootings with people that own them legally occur because they wont allow you to own one if you are mentally unstable or have a criminal history. The reason I bring it up is that Ben respectfully brought up the argument that it couldn't work in the UK due to culture differences. and I showed that Poland and the US have a similar system and it works yet they are on different sides of the world and the only similarities between these countries is that they believe in freedom of speech, freedom of choice, self defense, protecting the citizens of the country and helping those outside it, and the people control the government not the other way around. These are similarities that are shared among other nations im sure and we can agree on. my point is that if these weapons are put in the hands of the good it will deter the evil because good will always conquer over evil. Well the unfortunate reality is that tasers work 50% of the time, they are fantastic and every LEO should be equipped with one along with OC spray and a ASP Baton. but times are changing and people are finding new ways to try and kill police officers, and while higher ups sit safely in their offices while the patrol officers have only those is incredibly dangerous. I heard the argument that one reason why they dont have guns is because they dont want the family of that person to be upset they lost a loved one. I can agree there but If it were me and this person with a weapon charges at me with the intention to kill me and holds no value of life towards me and I have to try and use my taser (one shot only and they work 50% of the time) why my life is less valued because he then could kill me and my family will suffer while the person who killed me will think nothing of it. Honestly that doesnt seem fair. not to those officers or their families, because they want to go home too. That person has made their choice and it is intended to kill somebody yet I have to try and stop them, if backup is there great but if im alone I might not come back to my family. These are real life situations that can occur, I'm suggesting methods that could save an LEOs life and return to his or her family at the end of a shift.

http://www.visegradgroup.eu/polish-paramilitaries look up Paramilitaries in Poland, they are supported by the Government and have the population ready in case of an Invasion and they can defend themselves.

Not sure because I've seen civilians being trained by the military and at their homes one had an H&K416 and the other a M4A1 which are both automatic and went to training and they weren't military or Law Enforcement. should also add the country also offers training for the populace and pay them?

Ok well it's shown to work in the US and is shown to work in Poland because they allow it, in Poland you can own an automatic weapon and no mass shootings.

Of course I agree, something could of gone wrong, anything is possible but thankfully the only ones harmed was suspect shooting at police and nobody else and thats thanks to that officers amazing training. We all can have our own opinion with or without experience not saying yours is less because you dont have it. I agree with ya, I know alot of LEOs and they are fantastic guys to be around and tell some really great stories, its a shame that places that dont understand what they go through judge them so harshly and say they'll literally shoot anything.