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Dear LSPDFR Community,
 
A few years ago we were involved in a feud that seemed to tarnish our (Wingman Games - Police 1013) reputation here with your members. A lot has happened since then and I wanted to write to you all as a group and ask that we have a new beginning. I think the first thing I want to do again after all this time is apologise on my behalf for anything that was said in anger back in those days that people found offensive. I actually can't remember much about it but it was silly of me to not take criticism so well. I am here to build new bridges with you all and to see if we can't mend old scars. The truth is we are looking for forgiveness and want your support. We have done a lot over the years with Police 1013 and it really is shaping up to be an amazing project. Things have gone slowly but we are now working toward an alpha release and have done so since April this year. Previous years we have spent looking after our investors best interest with a tech demo for them as a proof of concept. That has come and gone now so we are now pushing toward an alpha release. 
 
We understand that for this game to be a success, that we need people like you who love Police games to have more input and more relationships with us. As you know its difficult building a game that is so big in scale and we don't pretend that it's going to be easy. In fact its going to be much harder than you'd expect. However, we know that with support from this community we can and will make it the best it can be. 
 
The support we're looking for takes on a few tiers. The first being the acceptance of our apology. I didn't take criticism too well back in the day and I'm really doing my best to rethink that approach as we lead up to alpha release in the future. The second tier is to acknowledge that there are a lot of good devs here in this community that could become part of our team. Coders, model makers etc are an important part of any game development, so i'd like to ask those of you who would like to put some time into the game to come join us. We have put in a lot of money of our own to build the business and company structure to a place that can accept large investments from outside the gaming community and have gained much respect from leading investors here in Australia. But to get to the next level we need to match that investment within the gaming community via our Project Blue line and soon to be kickstarter campaign to finish the alpha. 
 
I am hoping that for some of you, my apology opens the door to some of you who want to help get this game made. The alpha is currently being made on a 65km Square map size and will reach 100km square on completion after alpha. I don't want to lose the greatest resource we have available to us within your membership and would really like to start building new relationships with you. 
 
I should also say that we're not competing with LSPDFR but we're hoping that we can fill a void that has been open for a long time to come up with a Police simulator that is highly realistic, multiplayer, amazing graphics and less bugs so that both roleplaying communities and those just wanting to play on their own can enjoy. Again, I've made mistakes over the years with a lack of communication and am asking for your forgiveness for that as that was not my intention. We'd like to embrace this community with open arms so that together we can make something special together.
 
We have a discord channel for those that would like to come say hi to me personally and also enjoy the great community we've built at www.discord.gg/wingmangames I would love to see you guys there and be able to start fresh between communities. I'm doing this because we all want the same thing. I am hoping that by me making the first move in bringing our communities together that some of you might enjoy the challenge of helping us build 1013 the way you want it made. It would be silly of me to pretend that some of you will want to shake the tree in the comments below and I appreciate the fact that this is part and parcel of my willingness to open up to you. All I ask is that you consider the fact that I am just like you. I'm trying to make something for all of us to enjoy and want nothing more than to experience this with you. You can also view some progress at facebook.com/police1013 if you'd like to check us out. 
 
Again, to all of you in the LSPDFR community I apologise for any ill-will against me and take full responsibility for that. I do hope that this helps mend some broken fences. 
 
With Kind Regards
 
Matt Norman
Wingman Games Pty Ltd
Police 1013.   

It works fine, there is no issue with clipping, you just can't get how Multiplayer peds works, even without EUP you'll get clipping skin if you selected an incompatible upper skin with your top, I can't believe you are persuaded to be right.
Have beautiful nightmares

I think modding is too much for you, you should go back to GTA online.

Hello Matt,
 
Speaking on a personal level, I appreciate (as I'm sure many others here do) your attempt at making amends with our community. 
 
However, this puts us in a challenging spot from a moderation perspective as you are a representative of a commercial company whose goal is to make profit and your post is somewhat resembling of an advertisement for Police 1013, especially considering the links to your various platforms and your appeal for people to get involved with them.
 
More importantly though, looking back, what happened in this case is reminiscent of the drama that existed previously with your project and our community and it's something that we'd rather stay as far away from as possible and as such we think it would be best to close this topic.
 
So, while we absolutely do appreciate you taking the time to apologize for what happened, we would like to leave it at that for now.  With that being said though, I think I speak for everyone in our community when I say that we do wish you the best with your project.
 
Thank you for understanding,
Will
LSPDFR Community Manager

Matt
Well you lost me as a believer or supporter.I was banned from Discord.I asked questions,I disagreed with some things.Apparently you did not like the question or the statements of disagreement.You should treat future customers with respect,that did not happen.I have read that this also happened to others.FirstThirtyMinutes just posted the same concern on facebook!
"FirstThirtyMinutes
October 25 at 8:50am · Claims that I am "against" indie developers are false. 10-13 is trying to frame me as a bad guy b/c I have legitimate concerns"
 
That was 2 days ago
I  have no faith in developers who treat future customers like Sh!t.
Seems like you are just saying this because maybe some in the community are talking about how rude and disrespectful you are.Your apology seems fake.
I honestly think this game will never come out and you are just scamming people for money.
I was also banned on  your facebook page.
I for one will not buy this game if it ever comes out!
I will stick too LSPDFR
 
P.S. Also attacking those who disagree with you ,
tells me a lot about you!
That is what leads me to believe this is a scam for more money!

Matt,
 
You and I had a discussion via PM, and I just want to reiterate I'm rooting for this game. We are long, long overdue for a proper police simulator that goes the full nine yards. However, in terms of you as a person, I am not going into specifics, primarily since we discussed it, but I will say your business practices and public relations could use A LOT of work.  If I was an employer, I would never hire someone who insults the community for criticizing their game, and I'm not just referring to myself.  I'm referring to a Youtuber and several other folks.  When you make a product for the public, regardless of what it is, you better be prepared for all types of criticism.  If you're unable to handle negative criticism, you better reconsider your line of work.  Good PR will take you and your product a long way.  Once you lash out at the community and show a negative image of yourself, the bad PR will be the end of your product in a heartbeat.
 
I honestly have to second what Spookink/Couthink said.   When you try and censor people and lash out, then lie about the things you obviously did, it makes it so difficult for us to believe if this apology is sincere.  Sincere or not, I do believe this is a publicity stunt as well.  Attack a Youtuber, then start apologizing to everyone when things slow down with your product.
 
Again, I have no ill will towards you, but from a professional standpoint, I cannot look at you and think you're a trustworthy, genuine person who I'd love to have work for me when you've done a lot of the things you have for this game.  That being said, I do wish you the best of luck with things.  Maybe someday you'll prove me wrong and this game will see the light of day.

Like above, these views are my own personal views and don't represent that of G17 Media or any-one in this community.
 
That being said, the way you presented yourself (especially towards me) was unprofessional and disrespectful. Being like that will lose most, if not all of your support from people, which it has done to me. I support developers (especially indie developers) on what they're like as a person, and the way you conducted yourself lost all support from me. and to be quite honest even though it maybe heartfelt, but to me (And don't take this personally) it just seems like a publicity tactic (sincere apology - gain support - make money) 
 
This game could go on to be one of the best police simulators of all time, however because of how you were i will not be purchasing or supporting this game. 

Hey Matt,
 
   First off I want to state that this reply is no means a reflection of G17 Media or my position here as a Staff Member and is my own personal response.
 
The "feud" you speak of is sort of aged in my mind so i don't remember all of it, I just know that many things were said in a unprofessional manner and reflected badly on how I think many of us viewed not only you, but your game in general.
 
How the idea that the video game you are developing became to appear as "competition" is very confusing to me and I think that some younger members who didn't quite understand the difference slapped the label between the two and it resulted in some bad issues. LSPDFR is a free modification for a game developed by a massive video game development company that is already established and the modification is built by a very small team. The aspects that make many people interested in LSPDFR is the "realism" factor that is attributed by the massive, wonderful community created modifications that attribute to the experience that LSPDFR provides.
 
I'm all for new products in areas that I take very big interest in, one of those being video games related to Law Enforcement. One of my fondest memories in life when I was younger was my father bringing home a video game called Worlds Wildest Police Chases (yes they made a video game version of it) and I played the hell out of it. As some one who currently serves as a Firefighter/EMT and plans on testing very soon to become a Police Officer, experiences I can enjoy that are very close to my real life ambitions hold a very dear spot in my heart. It's also the biggest reason why I'm proud to say I'm a member of this site that serves the very modification that allows such an experience as a Police Officer in a realistic sense. I say this because I think many people who are close to the experience I just stated are more than excited to see a game tailored to such an idea, and why many of us were so disappointed by the attitude and actions you displayed including me.
 
I think looking at the two as competition is foolish. LSPDFR is a modification made by a very small but very determined team that is free and available for anyone to download and enjoy. Your game however is intended to be sold, and as such will always be held to a higher standard and it should be. It is why many people who were more than happy to support such an idea come to fruition (including my self) were turned off by the attitude and actions you've displayed not only on this site but other places. Criticism is a big part of development. It's why Reviews, Betas/Alphas, and early teasers are such a big part of the gaming industry today. It allows the actual end user to state their own opinion on how something should be and it should never be met with hostility, as you are only arguing with the people who we're intending to give you money for the product you were building in the first place.
 
I honestly don't know what state your game is, and I'm not as interested as I was before. That being said however me being some one who is always open to apology's and people changing, I wish you nothing but the best for your video game and company. I see this as a good first step to allowing your game to become a final product and have people enjoy what you have promised.
 
As many famous and successful people have said in the past, don't get mad/frustrated. Prove us wrong.
 
-JAM
 

Just to help spell it out for those that aren't reading the full thread...
1. GTA just updated - This means Ragehook etc is now not working
2. Your game will crash until Ragehook is updated.
3. Get rid of Script hook stuff to play GTA only... (no thanks, i only play this game for LSPDFR)
4. Wait patiently for the awesome guys who are doing the Ragehook plugin to update.
5. Have empathy for those who are working tirelessly behind the scenes!!!!! They know there is a problem and will no doubt have a fix to it. Just have to wait...
6. Be happy that Sam and all the guys behind these mods and hooks are awesome and will figure out a way forward.! Be calm.

Just to help spell it out for those that aren't reading the full thread...
1. GTA just updated - This means Ragehook etc is now not working
2. Your game will crash until Ragehook is updated.
3. Get rid of Script hook stuff to play GTA only... (no thanks, i only play this game for LSPDFR)
4. Wait patiently for the awesome guys who are doing the Ragehook plugin to update.
5. Have empathy for those who are working tirelessly behind the scenes!!!!! They know there is a problem and will no doubt have a fix to it. Just have to wait...
6. Be happy that Sam and all the guys behind these mods and hooks are awesome and will figure out a way forward.! Be calm.

Just to help spell it out for those that aren't reading the full thread...
1. GTA just updated - This means Ragehook etc is now not working
2. Your game will crash until Ragehook is updated.
3. Get rid of Script hook stuff to play GTA only... (no thanks, i only play this game for LSPDFR)
4. Wait patiently for the awesome guys who are doing the Ragehook plugin to update.
5. Have empathy for those who are working tirelessly behind the scenes!!!!! They know there is a problem and will no doubt have a fix to it. Just have to wait...
6. Be happy that Sam and all the guys behind these mods and hooks are awesome and will figure out a way forward.! Be calm.

Just to help spell it out for those that aren't reading the full thread...
1. GTA just updated - This means Ragehook etc is now not working
2. Your game will crash until Ragehook is updated.
3. Get rid of Script hook stuff to play GTA only... (no thanks, i only play this game for LSPDFR)
4. Wait patiently for the awesome guys who are doing the Ragehook plugin to update.
5. Have empathy for those who are working tirelessly behind the scenes!!!!! They know there is a problem and will no doubt have a fix to it. Just have to wait...
6. Be happy that Sam and all the guys behind these mods and hooks are awesome and will figure out a way forward.! Be calm.

Just to help spell it out for those that aren't reading the full thread...
1. GTA just updated - This means Ragehook etc is now not working
2. Your game will crash until Ragehook is updated.
3. Get rid of Script hook stuff to play GTA only... (no thanks, i only play this game for LSPDFR)
4. Wait patiently for the awesome guys who are doing the Ragehook plugin to update.
5. Have empathy for those who are working tirelessly behind the scenes!!!!! They know there is a problem and will no doubt have a fix to it. Just have to wait...
6. Be happy that Sam and all the guys behind these mods and hooks are awesome and will figure out a way forward.! Be calm.