In NYS revoked is worse than no license, since your license only gets revoked if you've committed other criminal acts, as Bailey describes above. Usually if their license is just expired I make them walk. If it's revoked I arrest.

That doesn't really matter around here. If it gets impounded they do an inventory search at the impound yard, and any illegal items found can be confiscated and the driver can be charged.

here if you get pulled over without a license It's automatic go to jail and car impounded. it doesent matter the reason y you dont have one.

here if you get pulled over without a license It's automatic go to jail and car impounded. it doesent matter the reason y you dont have one.

If you're referring to Alabama, that is incorrect. Alabama Code 32 Section 6 explains the laws for you, which are similar to most other states. If you simply do not have a license, you will be fined. If your license has been revoked or suspended, then you can be taken to jail and the car impounded if a licensed family member is unable to be present and assume control of the vehicle.

If you're referring to Alabama, that is incorrect. Alabama Code 32 Section 6 explains the laws for you, which are similar to most other states. If you simply do not have a license, you will be fined. If your license has been revoked or suspended, then you can be taken to jail and the car impounded if a licensed family member is unable to be present and assume control of the vehicle.

I'm sorry but I had the sudden urge to +1 you for that.

I'm sorry but I had the sudden urge to +1 you for that.

Thanks haha, the first thing you learn as a law enforcement officer is to either 1) know the laws, or 2) know where to find them. :thumbsup:

Depends on why I pulled him over in the first place. Routine check > let him go. Because of a crime > arrest

Just letting you know that if you really want to roleplay correctly, you should know that 'routine checks' are illegal.

Interestingly enough, I recently found out from a 'regular' (use this term to differentiate Auxiliaries and Full-Timers) NYPD Officer that driving without a license in the city is just a fine, and they'll let you drive off afterwards, but a suspended license is a mandatory arrest. In the county I'm in, you can either get arrested or summonsed for driving with a suspended DL.

Just letting you know that if you really want to roleplay correctly, you should know that 'routine checks' are illegal.

I'm not really into this roleplay (so dunno if you just play an officer or actually an officer in NY) but in many countries, e.g. Germany, those routine checks are allowed. Was just stopped a few days ago just because they wanted to know why I was driving around in the middle of the night *lol*

So they stopped me, checked my license etc. and asked me where I am coming from and what I am going to do now...

I'm not really into this roleplay (so dunno if you just play an officer or actually an officer in NY) but in many countries, e.g. Germany, those routine checks are allowed. Was just stopped a few days ago just because they wanted to know why I was driving around in the middle of the night *lol*

So they stopped me, checked my license etc. and asked me where I am coming from and what I am going to do now...

Yeah in the US an officer needs probable cause for a stop, which I can find pretty easily on most people. Driving around in the middle of the night could equate to probable cause depending on the situation, and I have used that before in order to stop a vehicle that I was pretty sure would be involved in illegal activity. So as far as a "routine check" by the other poster, those would be illegal in the US. But, as I said, probable cause is pretty easy to come across because I don't know many drivers that follow every single law all the time. Most drivers, even "good" ones, are constantly breaking some sort of law that could result in them being stopped.

Now that Florida made seat belt violations a primary rather than secondary offence, I can pull people over if I don't see them wearing a seat belt. This used to be only a secondary violation where I had to stop the vehicle for something else, and then I could write a seat belt violation if I saw it at that point. Since this is no longer the case, the law makes it much easier for us to find probable cause for a stop if we're looking for it.

Edited September 10, 201114 yr by Bailey23

You don't need probable cause to stop a vehicle. RS to stop, PC to arrest.

You don't need probable cause to stop a vehicle. RS to stop, PC to arrest.

That's true but it cannot be applied carte blanche and sometimes is not entirely correct; and this is where a gray area is introduced in law enforcement, at least according to Florida statutes. You need probable cause for a traffic stop to result in a citation (ie: I observe the defendant violating a statute). You only need reasonable suspicion to detain for further investigation, example would be a DUI. You aren't establishing probable cause for a DUI arrest until after you can determine they are intoxicated, which can't be done by visually watching the vehicle. Florida Statutes in many situations don't differentiate between RS and PC, thus they are the same for those cases. However, in other situations it would be as you described.

"RS to stop, PC to arrest" can be flawed logic if applied carte blanche. I've seen many cases (including solid cases with an abundance of evidence) thrown out over that very issue. Crooks vs. State of Florida is commonly referenced for this claim.

So what's the difference? Or is it just rare to have RS without PC for traffic violations?

Other question: Are routine checks illegal just because you would lack RS?

So what's the difference? Or is it just rare to have RS without PC for traffic violations?

Other question: Are routine checks illegal just because you would lack RS?

As Bailey described, a good example of having RS without PC for traffic violations is when you initially pull someone over for DUI. If they are swerving, driving under the speed limit, etc; that is RS. You do not yet know if they are really drunk, but have a reasonable suspicion that they are. Probable Cause could be obtained by talking to the driver and seeing that his eyes are bloodshot, reeks of alcohol, fails the field sobriety test, and so forth. With PC you'd be able to arrest the person for DUI.

Routine checks are illegal because you cannot be detained in any sort of way unless you're suspected of a crime/violation.

Edited September 12, 201114 yr by LINY

I feel like a 'tard.

I've been wondering for days as to why the "E" arrest wasn't working..

Now I realise I gotta equip a melee weapon *facedesk*

Now I just gotta wait until the devs allow us to re-configure the keys like in 0.91 .. 'cos I'm still getting "You are now busy blah blah blah".

If you're referring to Alabama, that is incorrect. Alabama Code 32 Section 6 explains the laws for you, which are similar to most other states. If you simply do not have a license, you will be fined. If your license has been revoked or suspended, then you can be taken to jail and the car impounded if a licensed family member is unable to be present and assume control of the vehicle.

no i think your mistaken, because i had to get my wife out of jail, who doesent have a licence and went straight to jail for not having one, and she never had one to begin with (thats girls for ya)

Edited September 12, 201114 yr by lomnutjo

no i think your mistaken, because i had to get my wife out of jail, who doesent have a licence and went straight to jail for not having one, and she never had one to begin with (thats girls for ya)

Then she probably did something after the fact that got her arrested.

no i think your mistaken, because i had to get my wife out of jail, who doesent have a licence and went straight to jail for not having one, and she never had one to begin with (thats girls for ya)

Did she tell the officer that she had a license, because that would be perjury. What was the charge she was arrested on? That will tell you...

Edited September 12, 201114 yr by Bailey23