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“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” ― Plato

Wow your are the man!!!!

Your Google coordinates cannot possibly be correct. Latitude cannot be outside [-90, 90]; any system in which a latitude is outside that range does not qualify for the term "latitude", and is not a model of a sphere.

Not sure what you mean by they are not correct, I am getting them from the Google Maps API. I will send you a link to it so you can sse for yourself.

I am building a Map using the Google Maps API. I need to convert GTA IV / SCripthook X,Y to Google Maps Lng,Lat. I suck at math and this is just getting frustrating, does anyone know how to do this or that is really good with math? lol I need an equation to use

I have gone in game and matched up some random coord, they are below...

Where CONVERT TO is I need an equation there...It can be a differnet one for X and Y if needed.

     GTA                                            GOOGLE

Location 1

X: 2333.487  ==> CONVERT TO ==> 82.846545

Y: 416.7385   ==> CONVERT TO ==>  -131.6271972

Location 2

X: 1229.228  ==> CONVERT TO ==> 83.0912764

Y: 610.1171  ==> CONVERT TO ==>  -142.514648

Location 3

X: 36.9755 ==> CONVERT TO ==> 82.4991273

Y: 133.485==> CONVERT TO ==>  -154.4458

I can see where you are coming from on the defending it stand point my entire life I have been around it my entire family smokes it so im kinda desensitized to it, however I have seen it in both good lights and bad lights there is one person in my family that smokes everyday never cleans his house because he's too lazy doesn't work and so on and it really doesn't make pot look all that appealing I smoke some what frequently (Never outside that's stupid) though and it hasn't altered my life towards the negative in any way I DO think however that if someone doesn't like pot that's okay they have their reasons.. pot doesn't need people to defend it and pot isn't going to get legalized because its good or bad for you its going to get legalized because it will make the government a ton of fucking money hahaha

Your right - Pot doesn't need anyone to defend it..Just hard to remember that when its personal.

Im gonna go smoke a bowl and relax

his flagrant disregard for mature conversation over a drug which is a shame he is really making pot smokers look bad

Interesting..Reviewing the conversion, this topic was full of bs and immature conversion way before i entered it. And when I did decide to join in for some fucking reason - I posted Facts, Articles, Studies, and my opinion (about the conversation lol). At no point was this post ever a "Mature Conversation". The STFU Kid--Well he is a kid - he has admitted that many times on this website--and he was quoting my post just to piss me off , as me and him have gone through this before... and just to clarify he was not posting an opinion...have i ever got "Butt Hurt" over someones OPINION on this post.

When I have seen and helped tons if ppl (Including my father, and sister) treating illnesses and even treating addiction to pills with marijuana... and it brings the life back in to them, brings them closer to there family..brings them BACK to who they were before.. - then see a bunch of ppl on here saying its horrible for your health - its a drug, drugs are bad  - It really strikes home for me. Thats why I get angry and defend Marijuana as i have.

With that said - I agree with most of what you have said...especially the edibles part :P - I LOOVVE me some brownies..lol

It's not legal everywhere.

It's not healthy to smoke. 

It's not harmless. 

ok - Thats your opinion. :)

Just look at my signature haha - ITS LEGAL HEALTHY AND HARMLESS

This is just turning into a giant flame war on "I'm right and your wrong." It's an opinion! There are studies that show both sides of the argument, and both sides are true, to a point. But there isn't a need to be degrading people for their own opinions. My $0.02 on that part. And I already gave my opinion on the ganja before, if it is legalized, it should have the same restrictions that cigarettes and alcohol have. Restrictions such as where, who, and when it can be consumed. I believe that it should be consumed in designated smoking areas. It should not, however, be smoked or consumed when with the general public, for instance, at a park, or walking down the street where little kid are, again my opinion. Also, if you are caught driving while under the influence of marijuana, it should be considered a DUI/DWI, and carry the same weight and punishment as if you were under the influence of an illegal drug, or alcohol, as it can impair you to a point.

To be clear - I was not Degrading anyone - If someone wants to give their opinion, as you have, that's great! But when ppl start posting "FACTS" that are complete BS or are only partly true, it gets on my nerves - please everyone post your opinion - But dont post false facts you "Learned at a university".

And I agree with you 110%...Well expect the "if"    ... It already is..in 2 states. And it is regulated, cant smoke in public, u get DUI for driving while stoned, it is pretty much regulated just like alcohol. And its working great.

Thank you Crawford for posting your Opinion...and not BS facts..

So yes, caffeine is better than marijuana, it is not a hallucinogenic nor psychoactive nor psychotropic substance, it makes you feel awake, can raise your pulse but it has no addictive substances nor does it change the brain's chemical balance. Yes you can get addicted to caffeine but that isn't an addiction like marijuana. I've seen people get "addicted" to energy drinks, they passed out because their body couldn't handle the pulse and the RR anymore, but they could easily stop to drink it without any signs of withdrawal - that's different with drugs - that's why they're called drugs.

OVERDOSE DEATHS: CAFFEINE HAS MORE

Caffeine, six recorded deaths in the United States. (Maisto, Galizio, Connors, "Drug Use and Misuse", Harcourt Brace Jovanovich College Publishers, 1991, p.162)

Cannabis: zero – worldwide. (Testimony of Dr. Kalant, Jan. 30, 1997, R. v. Clay, see also Robert Clarke and David Pate, "Medical Marijuana" Journal of the International Hemp Association, Volume 1, Number 1, 1994, p.9)

One would each have to orally ingest about a pound and a half of high-grade bud (Clarke & Pate, Journal of the International Hemp Association,, Vol. 1, #1, 1994, p.10) or smoke over 15 pounds within 15 minutes (Ex-Drug Enforcement Agency Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young, 1988, taken from "Marijuana – Not Guilty As Charged", D.R. Ford, Good Press, 1997, p. 238) to even risk death from too much cannabis, but it would only take you 50 tiny 200mg "Wake-up" caffeine pills to O.D. on caffeine, or 40 cups of coffee (Richard J. Gilbert Ph.D., "Caffeine - The Most Popular Stimulant", from the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Drugs, 1986, Burke Publishing Company Limited, p.94), maybe 20 double-espressos – even less for a child.

OVERUSE DEATHS: CAFFEINE HAS MORE

Caffeine kills 1000 to 10000 people every year in the United States, from "stress, ulcers and triggering irregular heartbeats". (U.S. Bureau of Mortality Statistics and the National Institute on Drug Abuse, 1988, taken from Jack Herer, The Emperor Wears No Cloths, HEMP Publishing, 1993-94, back cover.)

Again cannabis is zero. (See information above)

WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS: CAFFEINE’S ARE MORE SERIOUS

Caffeine offers the famous headache. (Richard J. Gilbert Ph.D., "Caffeine - The Most Popular Stimulant", from the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Drugs, 1986, Burke Publishing Company Limited, pp. 93, 99, 100)

With cannabis; “If people experience withdrawal symptoms at all, they are remarkably mild." (Drs. Zimmer & Morgan, Marijuana Myths-Marijuana Facts, 1997, p. 26:

ACUTE EFFECTS: CAFFEINE’S EFFECTS ARE MORE SERIOUS

Acute effects are immediate health problems that may result from misuse – including impairment.

Caffeine "significantly increases the blood pressure in subjects who have been without the drug for some days", causes "palpitations" in those who have had such heart conditions in the past, can lead to "digestive upset" and "ulcers". Larger doses can lead to "hyperventilation", "rapid heartbeat", "convulsions", "rapid, uncoordinated twitching of the heart". (Richard J. Gilbert Ph.D., "Caffeine - The Most Popular Stimulant", from the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Drugs, 1986, Burke Publishing Company Limited, pp. 86-95)

Cannabis "acute toxicity is low compared with that of any other drugs" (1977 Commission of the Australian Government, from Zimmer and Morgan, Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts, pp pre-1 and 150)

Cognitive impairment, psycho-motor impairment, anxiety, dysphoria, panic and paranoia, chronic bronchitis, and a "dependence syndrome" (1994 Australian National Drug Strategy Report)

LONG-TERM EFFECTS: CAFFEINE EFFECTS ARE MORE SERIOUS

Every other British Adult may be dependent on caffeine and use it at least in part to ward off withdrawal symptoms. And about 1 in 5 adults may regularly use enough caffeine to cause physical harm, notably heart disease, bladder cancer in males and behavioral disorders. (Richard J. Gilbert Ph.D., "Caffeine - The Most Popular Stimulant", from the Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Drugs, 1986, Burke Publishing Company Limited, p. 123)

With cannabis; "There are no significant problems concerns with respect to the low/occasional/moderate adult heavy user" “the major probable adverse effects on chronic heavy cannabis users appear to be: "respiratory disease" such as "chronic bronchitis", a "dependence syndrome" and "Subtle forms of cognitive impairment." (1994 Australian National Drug Strategy Report) The author would add that this is most likely only from misuse, not proper chronic heavy cannabis use.

DIRECT COMPARISONS – DEPENDENCE, WITHDRAWAL, TOLERANCE

In 1994, Dr. Jack E Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California ranked six substances based on five problem areas. The substances were nicotine, heroin, cocaine, alcohol, caffeine and marijuana. The problem areas were withdrawal, reinforcement, tolerance, dependence, and intoxication. Dependence was defined as;

How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of

people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own

need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in

the face of evidence that it causes harm.

Cannabis was given the lowest dependence, withdrawal and tolerance rating of all six drugs including caffeine. (New York Times, August 2nd, 1994, B6)

But your right...Marijuana is defiantly worse. BAHAHAHA!!!

Lets all just take a moment and clap a little for our friend here. He is doing so good for himself. He owns a car, It's so awesome, he also owns a house, I can hardly believe it. He has a wife and kids,..... awesome. He doesn't worry about money, and never stresses about anything. Oh, his health is in "tip top" shape. I think we should all just take a minute out of our lives, a minute to just marvel at this magnificent person we have boasting about his life over the internet. I can hardly believe you've done so good for yourself, In fact, I'm gonna personally extend my congratulations for achieving this great dream we all have, but only YOU have achieved. Congratulations.

Your truly a piece of work, "a pot smoking addict. Get a life kid," -- I was simply explaining that I have a life and that marijuana has not effected that in anyway even smoking ever day. More proof. And Now you know Im right, so you resort to insulting my posts with no input or anything to remotely do with this conversation...?

im done arguing with you as well.

Oh boy ... caffeine DOES NOT affect the brain in a PSYCHOACTIVE way. You won't hallicinate nor will you get high from caffeine! If you don't even understand in the slightest way what I am saying you tell me you read all these articles? Are you so afraid that medical professionals tell you that marijuana indeed HAS negative effects on your body?

 

From a psychiatric point of view you are clearly aggressive, absolutely defending your drug like most addicts would do and ignoring the harmful sides of it, you admit to daily consume of marijuana for 3 years. You really appear like most addicts I've seen in hospitals. Only that heroine addicts know that they're dealing with a dangerous substance.

 

You know, most studies say that the consumation of marijuana isn't dangerous if it's taken irregularily like twice a month or so. But these very same studies also say that regular consumation of marijuana definitely affects your brain and your personality as well as your lung (smoking) and your brain (chemical balance). The most important studies are long term studies because these really show the effects of marijuana on addicts and if it is true what you're saying, then we clearly deal with addiction and you will experience withdrawal if you try to stop smoking it.

 

I did argue with you in a positive way while you were insulting me. I am a medical student and I have discussed this topic with friends of mine who consume marijuana from time to time and they are able to admit that there are negative effects but nontheless they want to experience the high. That's okay for me. People drink alcohol and know that if the drink too much they won't feel good the next day. But ignoring these negative effects and praising your drug are typical symptoms of addicts. And only because you don't understand what I am saying that doesn't mean I'm no medical student.

 

Once again: Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome is a known medical condition caused by an overdose of marijuana, smoking marijuana harms the lungs when consumed regularily, like cigarettes do (makes sense, smoke is bad for your lungs, right?), marijuana is known to trigger mental disorder when genetic dispositions are present as well as causing mental disorders or addiction when consumed on a regular basis (makes also sense, THC is a psychotropic substance, like nicotine it binds to certain receptors in the brain. True, nicotine is more addictive, but still acclimatization of the synapses leads to addiction). Marijuana can not heal cancer, it can only act inhibitory on the growth of certain tumors

 

I do not say everybody who smokes marijuana will become a crazy lunatic with lung problems, it is more likely that he/she won't, but like with alcohol or cigarettes there will always be people who consume too much of their drug so they will experience these dangerous illnesses.

Alright - I dont beleive you are a medical student, and dont really care. At no point in any of my posts have I EVER said marijuana has NO negative effects, nor did I deny that CHS is a known medical condition. And If mariajuana is addicting to someone..ANYTHING can be..Caffeine, alcohol, meth, weed, if they are gonna get addicted, their gonna get addicted. Period. Me personally, I could stop at any point. Before weed, I Smoked Cigarettes, did several hard drugs, and drank shit loads, didn't get addicted to any of it - I now smoke because i choose, and I live the life I have always wanted.

Now If you truly believe caffeine is better than marijuana, I'm done discussing this with you.

And again you misinterpretate things. First of all: Of course all these things can happen to you, but it is not very likely. I think most of us have had too much alcohol at least once in their lifes. We know alcohol can cause vomiting ;)

BUT most of us drink alcohol from time to time and none of us will develop diseases like cirrhosis or hepatitis. These are illnesses heavily addicted alcoholics have to deal with. The things you stated are like the side-effects on a package insert. Very unlikely to happen.

 

Yes, alcohol can be very dangerous. If you drink too much you might pass out and die from your own vomit. But like I said: That doesn't happen to most of us.

 

Cases in hospital with alcohol induced cancer or cardiomyopathy or arrhythmia are so incredibly rare that it is safe to say it almost never happens.

 

To say caffeine is more dangerous than marijuana is just plain stupid. Of course it raises your heartbeat! But unless you have serious medical conditions it is safe to drink coffee. Marijuana is a psychotropic, psychoactive substance - it affects the brain, caffeine does not do that. And if you knew what you were googling you knew that caffeine can be used to calm down agitated Alzheimer's (dementia) patients.

 

The things I and others stated with marijuana are common things that happen in most cases of marijuana addiction - what you wrote about alcohol and caffeine is certainly true but incredibly unlikely, you just state populist information without further explanation what exactly that says.

ok - Now I know for sure your not a medical student...Caffeine doesn't effect the brain? Im done with you. Waste of my time.

 Sheeple huh? You realize your talking to someone who isn't pulling up articles on THE INTERNET. He's bringing up valid studies in Universitys...... Not to mention your being an ass just because GOD FORBID someone challenges YOU, a pot smoking addict. Get a life kid, Your ignorance shines in your stupid posts relating your internet links to a someone who attends a University and has dealt with the matter.

As I have stated before...

Been smoking weed for years - the past 3 years I have smoked every single day...but Im a normal guy who gets paid shit loads to sit at a computer all day at a Job I love, I have a beautiful Wife, Amazing Son, I get to smoke weed everyday, I never have to worry about money, I never have to stress about anything, I own a car and a house, have friends i get to see everyday, and my health is in tip top shape. Not a single thing wrong...I fucking love my life!

..So no thanks Ill stick with this life.

And all my INTERNET links are also VALID studies. Some by major universities.

Oh no not you again. WEED ISN'T BAD

 

MJ effects 

brain development. 

when used heavily by young people effects thinking, memory lasting for a long time or permant

Long term study showed that young people from 13 to 38 lost 8 points in their IQ

Lost of cognitive abilities were not fully restored in adults who quit smoking

Irritates the lungs 

frequent smokers can have the same problems has smokers of tobacco 

heightens the risk of lung infections 

NOT YET KNOWN IF IT MJ SMOKING CONTRIBUTES TO RISK OF LUNG CANCER 

RAISES THE HEART RATE 20 to 100 PERCENT EFFECT CAN LAST FOR 3 HOURS

A NUMBER OF STUDIES HAVE LINKED CHRONIC MJ TO MENTAL ILLNESS 

High doses of MJ can produce temp psychotic reaction 

Can worsen schizophrenia in people who do have it.

Those who start at a young age are at risk for later problems

MJ used during pregnancy is associated with risk of neurobehavioral problems in babies

 

​Seriously impairs motor coordination and judgement. 

 

IS MJ ADDICTIVE? 

Contrary to common belief, marijuana is addictive. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among people who use marijuana daily (to 25-50 percent).

 

Long-term marijuana users trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to abstain.

 

Ladies and Gentlemen. With all of these health effects is it really a good idea to legalize this drug? I mean really. A number of studies have linked chronic MJ to mental illness and can produce a psychotic reaction in high doses. People who suffer  schizophrenia will experience worse side effects when high. Let me ask you this. What is so glamorous about being high? Is it to look cool to your friends or make your life seem less miserable? 

 

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20121207/recreational-marijuana-health-effects

They are all brick walls when we know the side effects. Good job. Ignorance at it's finest! 

YOU WANNA BRING UP SIDE EFFECTS HUH?

ALCOHOL....

Drinking too much – on a single occasion or over time – can take a serious toll on your health.  Here’s how alcohol can affect your body:

Brain:

Alcohol interferes with the brain’s communication pathways, and can affect the way the brain looks and works. These disruptions can change mood and behavior, and make it harder to think clearly and move with coordination.  

Heart:

Drinking a lot over a long time or too much on a single occasion can damage the heart, causing problems including:

• Cardiomyopathy – Stretching and drooping of heart muscle
• Arrhythmias – Irregular heart beat
• Stroke
• High blood pressure  

Liver:

Heavy drinking takes a toll on the liver, and can lead to a variety of problems and liver inflammations including:

• Steatosis, or fatty liver
• Alcoholic hepatitis
• Fibrosis
• Cirrhosis

Pancreas:

Alcohol causes the pancreas to produce toxic substances that can eventually lead to pancreatitis, a dangerous inflammation and swelling of the blood vessels in the pancreas that prevents proper digestion. 

Cancer:

Drinking too much alcohol can increase your risk of developing certain cancers, including cancers of the:

• Mouth
• Esophagus
• Throat
• Liver
• Breast

Immune System:

Drinking too much can weaken your immune system, making your body a much easier target for disease.  Chronic drinkers are more liable to contract diseases like pneumonia and tuberculosis than people who do not drink too much.  Drinking a lot on a single occasion slows your body’s ability to ward off infections – even up to 24 hours after getting drunk.

CAFFEINE...

• Diarrhea
• dizziness
• fast heartbeat
• hyperglycemia, including blurred vision, drowsiness, dry mouth, flushed dry skin, fruit-like breath odor, increased urination, ketones in urine, loss of appetite, nausea, stomachache, tiredness, troubled breathing, unusual thirst, or vomiting (in newborn babies)
• hypoglycemia, including anxious feeling, blurred vision, cold sweats, confusion, cool pale skin, drowsiness, excessive hunger, fast heartbeat, nausea, nervousness, restless sleep, shakiness, or unusual tiredness or weakness (in newborn babies)
• irritability, nervousness, or severe jitters (in newborn babies)
• nausea (severe)
• tremors
• trouble in sleeping
• vomiting
• Abdominal or stomach bloating

• dehydration
• diarrhea (bloody)
• unusual tiredness or weakness

Symptoms of overdose

• Abdominal or stomach pain
• agitation, anxiety, excitement, or restlessness
• confusion or delirium
• convulsions (seizures)—in acute overdose
• dehydration
• faster breathing rate
• fast or irregular heartbeat
• fever
• frequent urination
• headache
• increased sensitivity to touch or pain
• irritability
• muscle trembling or twitching
• nausea and vomiting, sometimes with blood
• overextending the body with head and heels bent backward and body bowed forward
• painful, swollen abdomen or vomiting (in newborn babies)
• ringing or other sounds in ears
• seeing flashes of "zig-zag" lights
• whole-body tremors (in newborn babies)

HMM...I think ill Stick to my green!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/ - on the subject of Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/156/4/319.short - on the subject of psychiatric diseases and marijuana

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=496554 - on the subject of psychiatric diseases and marijuana

Man - I must be physiological mess!

Conclusions:  Cannabis abuse and particularly heavy abuse can be considered a stressor eliciting relapse in patients with schizophrenia and related disorders and possibly a premorbid precipitant.

 -- So if you already have Brain disorders dont smoke - Ya that actually does make sense...lol

Allright my friend - maybe my english isn't perfect. I am pretty sure I won't get ill from alcohol and I mean I won't get alcoholic cirrhosis or epilepsy from it because I consume alcohol moderately. The same goes for marijuana. If consumed moderately it will not do you any harm but genetic factors could cause problems with addiction, like with alcohol.

Don't call me misinformed and don't say I have no clue about anything in the medical field. You're just acting aggressively so stop it and stop insulting people. I have not provided any articles because I tried to explain to you what I meant. Throwing around articles doesn't help anything. I even explained to you what your articles exactly stated.

Im acting aggressively because i have to deal with this daily, and it aggravates me ppl like you act like you know what your talking about, and spread misinformation.

And I have read every one of those articles in full text, and know exactly what they say. Maybe you should read past the Abstracts..

"Throwing around articles doesn't help anything" - lmfao.. So only what has been fed to you will help right?

You haven't provided any articles or research because its only what you have been told. Thats why you have to explain it. Because it was explained too you.

I'm done arguing with misinformed sheeple. So you're calling the people with brains misinformed? Woah I didn't know using your brain and looking at the health effects of smoking something is such a horrible thing. I love how you start bashing people for their opinions. You have that mindset where "Since I smoke it I know every single thing about it and everyone who doesn't smoke it is just an idiot." Your simple adolescent mindset makes me laugh. You bring up all of these "studies" which are probably all biased. You're probably under the age of 21. You said that you have no clue about anything in the medical field. I'm guessing that you have done your own tests and you're a doctor. Calling people sheeple just shows how ignorant you are including your name.

HAHA..O man, Im crying laughing so hard - this is just great. Ya - Im 10..you caught me.

The term is used to describe those who voluntarily acquiesce to a suggestion without analysis or research.

Using your brain and LOOKING at the health effects....... or being told what the health effects are.... BIG DIFFERENCE....

Didnt bash anyone simply for their opinion - If you read my post - I bashed them for presenting falsified facts.

No im not a doctor - but i have read 1000's of article, research papers, experiments, testing, ect.. of world renowned doctors...

If this doesn't convince anyone that weed isnt bad, it will take Jesus fucking Christ himself to convince them lol.

I know - They are brick walls - Idk why i even try.

You could not tear apart my entire post because it seems like you didn't read what I posted. Of course moderate marijuana consumation doesn't harm the lungs. If you smoke a cigarette only when you go out clubbing every two weeks for 10 years your lungs will eventually heal. But you do smoke it and you do inhale the smoke. If you do that regularily it won't harm your lungs as much as cigarettes but it WILL harm them.

 

You CAN OD marijuana, I don't know where you have these numbers from because cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome is a known medical syndrome caused by a marijuana overdose. OD doesn't mean death, that's what your numbers say: The amount of marijuana needed to kill you. But overdose doesn't mean death. Only for heroine and other hard drugs where ODing equals dying. There are also other medicaments that cause nausea or unconsciousness when OD but you don't die from them.

 

And marijuana doesn't heal cancer, read the studies, you might see I am right. They stop cell growth, they act as inhibitory factor for tumor cells (yeah there also is this study about apoptosis, I give you that), but the don't kill the cells. Of course it's a good effect if a tumor stops growing but it doesn't kill the tumor. Also this doesn't work for every sort of tumor (not even a lot of different tumors) and there still is a lot of psychology involved.

 

Of course I can't prove anything, but I do study medicine in Munich so I know a little bit about the anatomy of our body and how different systems work, so my facts are from a valid source: university. We can of course discuss the topic further and I can try to explain you exactly what I meant and what the scientific facts behind my opinion are, write me a PM if u want to.

 

But don't say my points aren't valid because I do have an equal amount of studies on my side. Studies on the topic of marijuana are also heavily influenced by how people think about it. It is more likely to say marijuana is good for your body when you personally defend marijuana and it is more likely to say marijuana is bad for your body when you're against it.

 

Also I never said I am completely against it. I am against legalization because we don't need a third drug. Marijuana is a psychoactive drug like alcohol and therefore has its dangers. I support the use of marijuana if medically indicated for certain symptoms or diseases like the treatment of pain for cancer patients. But you don't have to insult me. Acting aggressively and insulting while stating that you consumed marijuana a lot doesn't benefit your cause either.

Thank you for even more proving my point - NO FACTS, NO ARTICLES - JUST WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD.

I drink alcohol every weekend and I won't ever get ill from that

That right there tells me you have no clue about anything in the medical field, so just stop making yourself look stupid.

And again  - Im done arguing with Misinformed Sheeple.

I personally am against legalization of marijuana. Most of my friends have smoked a joint at least one time and they're behaving completely normal. I don't condemn people who are marijuana-consumers but saying that the drug has no side effects just isn't correct.

 

You know, our society unfortunately already has two legal drugs - tobacco and alcohol, both are bad for your health but we won't ban them because they're a social "ritual". Yes, tobacco is bad for your lungs and alcohol is bad for your liver (to a certain extent for your brain). If we could go back in time and decide which drugs we want to legalize and if we had to chose 2, I would say let's take alcohol and marijuana. But now that tobacco and alcohol are legal I feel that adding a third drug to that wouldn't benefit our society. Because marijuana isn't harmless - it is a psychotropic substance, that's why people consume it, if it wouldn't have any effect, people wouldn't smoke marijuana. There are a lot of people with alcohol or tobacco related health problems, now if you make marijuana completely legal and easily accessible (even more easy than it already is) there will be more patients who deal with the effects of marijuana.

 

From a medical point of view, alcohol can cause epilepsy after withdrawal when consumed for a long time, marijuana can be a trigger-factor for psychiatric diseases. I won't say marijuana will cause these diseases but as we know nowadays, genetics influence the probability of having psychiatric diseases, now you might never become ill, but if u consume marijuana regularily it might act as a trigger. Also, marijuana is suspected (like alcohol) to cause Alzheimer's disease - read more on the subject of how Alzheimer's develops - and from having seen a lot of Alzheimer's patients, I wouldn't take the risk of ever getting that disease.

But you also have to consume marijuana somehow - you smoke it. While smoking a joint isn't as bad for your lungs as smoking a cigarette, it certainly does harm the lungs. Like alcohol, marijuana doesn't to a lot of harm to one organ but little harm to a lot of organs. I drink alcohol every weekend and I won't ever get ill from that, unlike a lot of other people with alcohol problems. The same goes for marijuana, a lot of people won't get ill from that, but there certainly will be more people getting ill from it when it is legalized. Like alcohol, marijuana can act as an escape from reality for people.

 

So to clear up some of the medical misinterpretations in this topic:

• Marijuana affects the dopamine inside the brain? - No it doesn't. Cocaine does affect the D1 and D2 (dopamine) receptors inside the brain, marijuana doesn't. Theoretically you should be able to treat Parkinson's with cocaine because the effects of cocaine counteract the effects of Parkinson's. But nobody would do that because cocaine does have a hell lot of negative side effects. That leads me to point 2:
• Marijuana can heal epilepsy? - I have read the article about the little girl with epilepsy. Marijuana is a muscle relaxant so it makes sense, but also, marijuana somehow affects the chemical balance inside our brain. On the one hand this influence can cause epilepsy to stop for some patients (because epilepsy mainly is an imbalance in the brain's chemical structure that causes neurones to fire uncontrollably) but on the other hand - especially with children - it changes this balance and that is especially harmful for a brain in development. I really wan't to read a study on that in 20 years from now, how the brain of that girl developed. It is like alcohol, giving a child alcohol when it is 7 years old or so can cause its brain to develop in a wrong way.
• Marijuana can heal cancer? - No it can't. As simple as that. Marijuana is mainly used for pain therapy and it is good for that. But marijuana can not kill cancer cells, it has no effects on these cells unlike chemotherapy that is designed specially for a special sort of cancer. So while marijuana might take the patient's pain it may help him "activate" his self-healing-powers. But that's mainly a psychological thing and doesn't work for a lot of people.
• Marijuana has no sideeffects/You can't OD marijuana? - Yes it does have sideffects like the ones I mentionned above: Alzheimer's, smoking it harms the lungs, trigger for psychiatric diseases, ... Also you can indeed OD marijuana. That's known as cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome - unfortunately people rarely diagnose it right because the patient won't admit smoking marijuana and the symptoms are similar to other diseases. But it definitely IS caused by marijuana (symptoms are vomiting/severe nausea and colicky abdominal pain - the symptoms stop after stopping to consume marijuana).

Also the death statistics have to interpretated correctly: People don't die from smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol, they die from diseases they got from smoking cigarettes (like COPD) or asphyxiation when unconscious because of too much alcohol or because of liver-diseases like alcoholic cirrhosis. Of course cigarettes and alcohol are the reasons behind the death, but patients don't die directly from it unlike heroine that causes breathing arrest when OD (which actually is pretty easy to counteract, there's a nice memory hook: "Every junkie gets Narcanti").

 

So there are a lot of things that people don't think of when talking about the legalization of marijuana. I know it isn't the most dangerous drug, and it makes sense when used as a prescription drug in medicine but I wouldn't legalize it because we already have 2 legal drugs that affect our society in bad ways sometimes and adding a third drug to that most certainly wouldn't benefit it either. Defenders of marijuana always come up with some medical "wonders" that - when viewed from a scientific point - aren't "wonders" at all and might come with serious side-effects.

 

Monologue end.

 

Another misinformed person - Where are ALL these facts coming from?

I have smoked Marijuana EVERYDAY for over 1000 days straight - Doctor said dont do it - 3 years later, not a SINGLE THING wrong - No Lung problems,defiantly no CHS

oh..and Im a programmer who manages a huge database and multiple servers daily - STONED.

For you to even compare giving all those kids (Not just 1 girl..100's of kids are Cannabinoids for treating an array of illnesses) alcohol vs marijuana is WRONG. You cant even begin to compare the effect on your entire body alcohol has.

Marijuana can heal cancer? - No .....Correction... YES

In a recent report, the National Cancer Institute (NCI), part of the Federal government’s National Institutes of Health (NIH), stated that marijuana “inhibited the survival of both estrogen receptor–positive and estrogen receptor–negative breast cancer cell lines.”

A study published in the British Journal of Cancer, conducted by the Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Complutense University in Madrid, this study determined that Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other cannabinoids inhibit tumour growth.

 A study published in The Journal of Neuroscience examined the biochemical events in both acute neuronal damage and in slowly progressive, neurodegenerative diseases. They conducted a magnetic resonance imaging study that looked at THC (the main active compound in marijuana) and found that it reduced neuronal injury in rats.

A study published in The Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics already acknowledged the fact that cannabinoids have been shown to possess antitumor properties.

A study published in the journal Molecular Cancer Therapeutics outlines how brain tumours are highly resistant to current anticancer treatments, which makes it crucial to find new therapeutic strategies aimed at improving the poor prognosis of patients suffering from this disease. This study also demonstrated the reversal of tumour activity in Glioblastoma multiforme.

 A study published in the US National Library of Medicine, conducted by the California Pacific Medical Centre determined that cannabidiol (CBD) inhibits human breast cancer cell proliferation and invasion. They also demonstrated that CBD significantly reduces tumour mass.

A study published in The Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics determined that THC as well as cannabidiol dramatically reduced breast cancer cell growth. They confirmed the potency and effectiveness of these compounds.

 A study published in the Journal Molecular Cancer showed that THC reduced tumour growth and tumour numbers. They determined that cannabinoids inhibit cancer cell proliferation, induce cancer cell apoptosis and impair tumour angiogenesis (all good things). This study provides strong evidence for the use of cannabinoid based therapies for the management of breast cancer.

A study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (PNAS) determined that cannabinoids inhibit human breast cancer cell proliferation.

A study published in the journal Oncogene, by Harvard Medical Schools Experimental Medicine Department determined that THC inhibits epithelial growth factor induced lung cancer cell migration and more. They go on to state that THC should be explored as novel therapeutic molecules in controlling the growth and metastasis of certain lung cancers.

 A study published by the US National Library of Medicine by the Institute of Toxicology and Pharmacology, from the Department of General Surgery in Germany determined that cannabinoids inhibit cancer cell invasion. Effects were confirmed in primary tumour cells from a lung cancer patient.  Overall, data indicated that cannabinoids decrease cancer cell invasiveness.

A study published by the US National Library of Medicine, conducted by Harvard Medical School investigated the role of cannabinoid receptors in lung cancer cells. They determined its effectiveness and suggested that it should be used for treatment against lung cancer cells.

 A study published in the US National Library of Medicine illustrates a decrease in prostatic cancer cells by acting through cannabinoid receptors.

 A study published in the journal Molecular Pharmacology recently showed that cannabinoids induce growth inhibition and apoptosis in matle cell lymphoma. The study was supported by grants from the Swedish Cancer Society, The Swedish Research Council and the Cancer Society in Stockholm.

A study published in the US National Library of Medicine conducted by the Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology by Virginia Commonwealth University determined that cannabinoids induce apoptosis in leukemia cells.

 A study published by the US National Library of Medicine results show cannabinoids are potent inhibitors of cellular respiration and are toxic to highly malignant oral Tumours.

A study published by the US National Library of Medicine determined that that THC reduces the viability of human HCC cell lines (Human hepatocellular liver carcinoma cell line) and reduced the growth.

A study published in The American Journal of Cancer determined that cannabinoid receptors are expressed in human pancreatic tumor cell lines and tumour biopsies at much higher levels than in normal pancreatic tissue. Results showed that cannabinoid administration induced apoptosis. They also reduced the growth of tumour cells, and inhibited the spreading of pancreatic tumour cells.

.........NEED I GO ON?!

Also you can indeed OD marijuana. - WRONG AGAIN, Sorta....

A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce an overdose. - Well I guess your right...lmfao!

Shit - Ill even be the first one to do it if you can get me that much!

While smoking a joint isn't as bad for your lungs as smoking a cigarette, it certainly does harm the lungs ....Again WRONG.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/11/marijuana-smoking-does-not-harm-lungs-study-finds/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Im bored, I could tear apart your entire post, but Im gonna stop wasting my time here, Just wanted to make sure false facts were being spread.

UNFORTUNATELY During Alpha and Beta testing several clans decided to ruin it for the rest of you.

Testers / Clans now have cracked and attempted to re-create my system on their own servers

THEREFOR I AM NOW GOING TO BE THAT JACKASS - THAT ONLY USES THIS SYSTEM FOR HIS OWN CLAN, SINCE PPL CANT SEEM TO RESPECT THE TIME AND EFFORT OF OTHERS!!!

SORRY TO THOSE OF YOU WHO COULD HAVE USED THIS WITHOUT STEALING - MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD IT CAN HAPPEN...

omg - I am laughing so hard right now - I didnt know there was SOO many Sheep on this website my god!

Little Tip to ppl who know it should be legal...
Dont even bother typing anything - The 13 year olds on this site seem to know everything in the world... and no matter how much legitimate scientific FACTS you provide, these kids will just skip right past it and say: "My mommy told me it was a drug and drugs are bad!"

I think its so funny they believe the bullshit and lies..So small minded. The logical fallacy of Marijuana has long been disproved - But like all sheeple - what they are told is truth, no need for research.

P.S. Over 50% OF AMERICANS WANT IT LEGALIZED...OH AND ITS LEGAL IN 2 STATES ALREADY!!! - YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING IF ITS REALLY THAT BAD?

Were do we sign up at?  "Clan Signups will begin this weekend 2/29/2014"

I will re-Phrase that. I went to select clans and offered the system. Currently I have a set group of Large clans testing this system.

 

@WSPChiefReefer, give up, man. It's like discussing with a wall. They won't listen to reasons.

Your right - Except a wall has more intelligence and thinks for itself...lol

I believe your "facts" and "articles" are skewed towards marijuana. And I can almost bet NC, KY (I only know that these two states are big anti-marijuana) WON'T make it legal, and if they do it

You know what - your probably right - The US Gov National Institute on Drug Abuse (Who is AGAINST Marijuana) probably "Skewed" their facts towards marijuana.

Again - Stop making yourself look like an ass...its getting pathetic..

Yeah I was starting to forget about my sheep, better go take care of them. I can have all those "great" things without Marijuana (except money, troopers don't make much). And I'm sorry but you have been blinded from reality and seem to think "weed" is good and okay for you...IT'S NOT. I'm not going to sit here and argue to some one who has no idea what he is saying. Maybe one day YOU will wake up and see what this drug has done to you.

 

Someone who has no idea what im talking about?

I have done nothing but provide PROOF and FACTS -

YOU, have provided opinion and nothing more.. NO FACTS, NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER that weed is "bad" or even effects your health..

I have posted articles from some of the most renowned sources in the world, Facts, Proof, Medical Evidence, Scientific Evidence.

You have posted what your small little mind has been told by your parents and local "Police". NOT EVEN YOUR OWN OPINION - YOU CANT EVEN THINK FOR YOURSELF - Pathetic...

But ME - Im the one 'blinded from Reality" ..Please tell me how the fuck that makes sense?

Stop making yourself look like an ass little guy.

I almost forgot!

NEWS FLASH!!

Washington, DC's city council voted to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized. The District of Columbia will soon join 17 states that have decriminalization laws on the books and becomes one of the most lenient cities in the country with regard to weed.

Our Capital - Center of the Federal Government - Its happening and there is nothing you can do to stop it :P Bahahaha (Evil Laugh)

Lakewood Police, Washington State. your results will be as follows

 

Chicago Police

Toronto Police

San Diego Police

Columbus Police

Waterloo regional Police

Denver Police

Peel regional Police

Logan Police

Memphis Police

Montreal City Police

Anything from Washington State! Very rarely do i see stuff from WA.

I'd rather be a sheep than a stoner.

Sheep(le) : Those who voluntarily acquiesce to a suggestion or idea without analysis or research.

So you want to be an idiot who listens to ANYTHING ANYONE tells them the rest of your life?

Ill be a stoner... I like to think for myself.

Im not even gonna try to explain or reason with you little kids anymore I dont know why i even wasted my time on here.