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Totally agree with Mage. Some countries just have other opinions about guns. You could go on and on about the
effects of gun use with both the police and the general public. Some studies claim that guns incite the use of violence while others
say that armed response will have a proactive effect. Which one you want to believe is your choice but they still all remain theories.

Well, i am absolutely positive that the majority of the Norwegian people would vote against the police carrying guns, actually, i´m not only positive, i´m certain, as this is proven through surveys.
Even the police officers themselves voted against it, i believe 8/10 police officers was positive that them carrying guns would do no good, and who is better to judge than both parties involved?

As for you Break , i have no idea why you would use German and Spain as examples of how Norwegian citizens would react to police arming themselves, as the situations in these countries are far from the same.

Besides, how do you think a 4 year old would react to a full-auto weapon? Unless he plays COD all day long, i bet it wouldn't be a pleasant sight. Yes, the police is here to protect us, but since weapons in public is extremely rare in Norway, a policeman´s main job will be to talk, listen, and of course cuff someone from time to time.

There is a major difference between interacting with a unarmed than a armed man, you can´t argue that.

Well, lets not make an argument in this thread as i already feel disrespectful towards the victims of this event for even starting something that could possibly turn into an "on the edge" discussion.

My opinion is, and no matter what any of you say, right now you can´t change that:

You should not arm the whole police force in a country unless that is necessary, and in Norway, as of today, it is not!
(And i´m not saying this to be rude, but unless you live in Norway, or are familiar with the situation and environment here, please don´t argue it)

My condolence to those who lost one of their family and/or friends in the horrible event that took place in Norway!

Well, in this case i was talking about armed police officers, not an "armed population".

If the police arm themselves full-time, this will not only make the criminals use weapons more often, but it will make the relationship between the police and the general public bad, we don´t want the citizens of Norway to fear the ones who are here to "protect and serve" them.

And keep in mind, even police officers snap once in a while:

This exact event is a good example of that, the perpetrator was dresse as a police officer, and carrying a gun. The police uniform helped him to lure the youths to approach him, claiming that he would helped them, but instead he shot them right down. If someone who should not really be a police officer was carrying a gun at the wrong place at the wrong time, he/she could kill someone, accidentally or on purpose.


How come you both misunderstood what i said, i though i was being very clear and straight forward. Or....?

Let's not turn this thread into a gun debate which is absolutely disgusting to see.

Don't try and take the moral high road dude. It's lower than claiming to be a troll after losing an argument...

Just to clearify:


The Norwegian court can maximum sentence someone to 21 years at once.
(A new law is being discussed, where one can be sentenced to 30 years, this law however has not yet taken effect,
and therefore he can not be sentenced to 30 years)

However, this does not mean that they will be let out after 21 years,
their sentence will be extended with 5 years each time they have "paid their due".

Anders Behring Breivik(the perpetrator) will be in prison for the rest of his life, no question!

And not only that, but he will be the lowest on the rank order, along with pedophiles,
and therefore get bullied by the other inmates. (Worse than a lethal injection if you ask me)



The Norwegian police does not carry guns, they rely on their wits, training, experience
and sometimes(unfortunately) on their muscles and arrest-techniques.

(The average police man only use force once or twice eatch month, and therefore weapons is unnesessary,
and will only cause an escalation of gun-use in the criminal environment)

However, they often have weapons in their vehicle, which can be used in emergency situations,
or when given oral promission from the local chief of police.




The security on the island was a former police man, so even if the police did carry guns, he would not be able to shoot the perpetrator.


The police-officers arresting "Anders" where from the Emergency Troop "Delta", which is about equal to SWAT. (It took them two minutes from they arrived to the island till they arrested him)



Feel free to reply if you have any questions, and i will try to answer them